Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread II

[ejpsan]

With the popularity of the family of Louis Ferdinand at an all time high it is going to be very difficult to discredit them, so far I think the plan is to make the German people think that there is a left wing Marxist-Socialist terrorist group that is putting them in danger.
We must remember that most of the German people have memories of how the KPD worked with Stalin and the Soviet Union to destroy Germany and they will want a massive crackdown on any form of dissent, the Kaiser with his Liberal Sympathies is not going to be for it which is all good for HIS family after all they live in castles and palaces with the Hellcat herself as their protector.
So while the people of Germany live in fear from these terrorists everyday the Kaiser is sprouting off none sense words that have no real connection to their situation and that is going to discredit the family and the people will demand a Kaiser who will stop the violence.
Or I could be overthinking things again.

 

[Loki-L]

This seems like a recipe for disaster for everyone involved.

Not only can both Mithras and his financier burn each other enough to lead them all to the gallows if they decided to, but the the financier also brought in some thugs to teach a lesson that will not only sour the working relationship between the two but also increases the number of people involved who need to keep a secret.

It will only take one of those thugs growing a consciences or trying to make a deal with authorities after being caught due to an unrelated criminal charge to bring it all down.

Considering Louis plan to make the emperor elected from among the various royal houses, it would seem that the backer either has a candidate in mind (who likely is not aware of this guys actions) or has a greater plan in mind.

There are so many royals around that there is a surfeit to choose from, but I doubt any serious candidate would agree with this guys methods. Trying to get an outsider on the throne would require much more work than just discrediting the current imperial house.

Likely the financier and whatever friends he has working with him plans to put some useful idiot as figure head on the throne and work through them. Alternatively he may be disguising his true motives.

In any case the radicals who are fired up from their recent 'success' may prove to be too hard to control for anyone involved.

 

[weasel_airlift]

Before he lost consciousness, Mithras recalled his misgivings months earlier about accepting the backing from a politician. What was he going to do now, call the police?

The obvious thing: Catch up to a member of said royalty, or even a member of the new guard: Kat, or Emil, and spill his guts. They'll know what action to take. He can tell the story so that it sounds like he was press-ganged into it.

With the popularity of the family of Louis Ferdinand at an all time high it is going to be very difficult to discredit them, so far I think the plan is to make the German people think that there is a left wing Marxist-Socialist terrorist group that is putting them in danger.

Probably a good way. The best way would be to show excesses of royalty, but the royalty in this case is frugal,and none can argue that they don't do their duty.

The best way I can think to follow your idea is this: Start singling out people. Somewhat influential people. Do something to them (Ideally death, but burn a house, a business, a car) and at the scene of the crime leave a pamphlet accusing the attacked of one of the myriad of Soviet crimes, replete with a communist symbol. Torching random businesses with pamphlets extolling the communists is equally good.

 

[Rinasoir]

The obvious thing: Catch up to a member of said royalty, or even a member of the new guard: Kat, or Emil, and spill his guts. They'll know what action to take. He can tell the story so that it sounds like he was press-ganged into it.

OH GOD NO.

You don't take this to Kat or Emil. The absolute best person to take this to would be Sven Worth(Werth?) of the BND. He is the man in that organisation that Kat trusts but is also perfectly willing to stand his grounds on this being a Civil police matter and not a military one (which it would become if you went to Kat or Emil). He'll be the one to know that the best way to take this down is with rubber bullets and batons, not live ammo and bayonets.

 

[weasel_airlift]

He'll be the one to know that the best way to take this down is with rubber bullets and batons, not live ammo and bayonets.

The best way to take this down is a decapitation strike on the financier. The minions will disperse after that.

 

[Wydo]

The best way to take this down is a decapitation strike on the financier. The minions will disperse after that.

The minions dispersing is not a good thing. While maybe not all of them share their boss' views, some of them might. And if they all disperse there could be several more anti-monarchy groups.

 

[weasel_airlift]

The minions dispersing is not a good thing. While maybe not all of them share their boss' views, some of them might. And if they all disperse there could be several more anti-monarchy groups.

Probably. Some of them are going to lose interest once the financier (And Mithras) are gone. Some are going to be your obnoxious street-corner soapbox type. and there may be a few real ones.

 

[Dan]

OH GOD NO.

You don't take this to Kat or Emil. The absolute best person to take this to would be Sven Worth(Werth?) of the BND. He is the man in that organisation that Kat trusts but is also perfectly willing to stand his grounds on this being a Civil police matter and not a military one (which it would become if you went to Kat or Emil). He'll be the one to know that the best way to take this down is with rubber bullets and batons, not live ammo and bayonets.

I have to agree with this. Unfortunately the other options, Kanaris, Schmitt or Schultz, (and I think he would have been the best option to make this all go away without anyone noticing), are all beyond contact without access to a Ouija board.
This could end up as quite a messy thing, especially if Lothar decides that actually Herr Von Politician should be the next target.
It means cutting off of his finances, but gives him an escape route until Wurth tracks him down.


Herr Politician: "Help me you stupid flatfoots, I am being targeted by terrorists"
Wurth: "of course Sir, which ones"?
H P: "Those Jakobins"
Wurth: "I see".

[2 weeks later]

Wurth: "Herr Politician, we have good news and, well, more good news. Good News first: We have captured the terrorists so you are no longer under threat from them"
H P, (paling): "that's... er... good"?
Wurth: "Oh yes, very good. And more good News, we are not 'incompetent flatfoots' , otherwise would have left it there, and not, for example, examined the group's finances and backers. Is there anything you'd like to tell us"?
H P: "[gulp]"
Wurth: "Now, because of who you are and the potential risk to your life because of your involvement, I have requested, and been granted the very best protection for you while you are in custody, Generalmajor Von Mischner of the KSK will be here momenterily..."

 

[weasel_airlift]

I have to agree with this. Unfortunately the other options, Kanaris, Schmitt or Schultz, (and I think he would have been the best option to make this all go away without anyone noticing), are all beyond contact without access to a Ouija board.

I got one from Ikea. I er...don't recommend that one.

 

[Rinasoir]

The minions dispersing is not a good thing. While maybe not all of them share their boss' views, some of them might. And if they all disperse there could be several more anti-monarchy groups.

"True Believers (tm)" are always the most dangerous ones. The bigger fear would be that simply killing Herr Financier may not actually do any real damage to the conspiracy, it would be like cutting a leaf off of a particularly virulent weed. It needs to be dug out, roots and all.

I got one from Ikea. I er...don't recommend that one.

Now when they say "some assembly required" are you supposed to supply your own ghosts?

 

[weasel_airlift]

Now when they say "some assembly required" are you supposed to supply your own ghosts?

Making the connection to the spirit world was tough because the instructions were nonsensical, and the goat wasn't included.

 

[ShortsBelfast]

Now it's time to play the "Which one of Wilhelm III's idiot brothers/nephews thinks they can convince the monarchy to return to a pre-ww1 setting" game.

With your host, Terry Crews!

There may be surprise guest appearances by a Wittelsbach or one of the Princes of Hesse, who were rather strong German Nationalists as I recall. OTL one was killed in a plane crash in the late thirties and the other killed in action in 1943. TTL one or both of these deaths may be butterflied away.

 

[Rinasoir]

Making the connection to the spirit world was tough because the instructions were nonsensical, and the goat wasn't included.

Well they are Swedish, and the Swedes assume all goats come into being in connection with the All-Goat that comes into existence every Christmas and must be burnt in offering to please the Gods or else the Frost Giants will consume the world. So there is no need to provide one, as the goat will find you.

Or something like that.

There may be surprise guest appearances by a Wittelsbach or one of the Princes of Hesse, who were rather strong German Nationalists as I recall. OTL one was killed in a plane crash in the late thirties and the other killed in action in 1943. TTL one or both of these deaths may be butterflied away.

Wittelsbach maybe. But this would be a real high power play to put a rival dynastic house on the throne. If it was me running this conspiracy and I wanted a Kaiser I could essentially play like a kazoo, I'd just bump off Louis and Freddy.

Or if it is the Wittelsbachs, this ties into the great conspiracy as to how Charles the XII "died".

 

[Onslow123]

So if it is a politician, it would need to be a staunch monarchist, one who was young before WW1 so late 1880's - 1890's date of birth.

The financier could be even older. I did a fast search and in this thread or in it's predecessor, there is no mention of Franz von Papen. In OTL he lived from 1879 to 1969, was staunch monarchist and according to Wikipedia: "Right up until his death in 1969, Papen gave speeches and wrote articles in the newspapers ..." It could be he.

 

[Theoretical_TJ]

I bet the Financier is Wilhelm Canaris.

 

[Peabody-Martini]

Wittelsbach maybe. But this would be a real high power play to put a rival dynastic house on the throne. If it was me running this conspiracy and I wanted a Kaiser I could essentially play like a kazoo, I'd just bump off Louis and Freddy.

Micheal of Bohemia would be next in succession followed by Kristina. Good luck with that.

The financier could be even older. I did a fast search and in this thread or in it's predecessor, there is no mention of Franz von Papen. In OTL he lived from 1879 to 1969, was staunch monarchist and according to Wikipedia: "Right up until his death in 1969, Papen gave speeches and wrote articles in the newspapers ..." It could be he.

Franz von Papen is remembered in OTL for thinking he could control Hitler, that suggests a great deal.

 

[ejpsan]

If this is someone who wants to restore the "Old Order" by using the left to carry out False Flag attacks, may decide to go after targets that are symbolic of the reign of Louis Ferdinand and the New Germany.
High value targets would include the Alexanderplatz Farmers Market, anything that is prominent on the street named after the late Empress Kira in the Templehof development, a reunion of the Women Auxiliary with a high ranking politician who served in the Auxiliary herself as the main speaker, the new television transmission tower, and if Jacob von Schmidt dies then his funeral becomes a major target for Anti-Semitism reasons.
The main thing is not directly target the Imperial Family itself but to force them to isolate themselves from the German people.

 

[simssss]

Making the connection to the spirit world was tough because the instructions were nonsensical, and the goat wasn't included.

No Aberforth no !

 

[Peabody-Martini]

My thoughts on this digression. Who needs a ouija board?

 

[Rinasoir]

Micheal of Bohemia would be next in succession followed by Kristina. Good luck with that.

Oh I'm not saying it would work, just that if I was the sort of chinless gormless gobshite who'd try this, I'd think Michael would ve easier to manipulate compared to his siblings.