Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

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One of the most famous photographs from the Second Great War. Confederate POWs were required to watch footage of the concentration camps used in the Population Reduction. Many of these soldiers were unaware of the atrocities committed by the Freedomite government and began to break down and cry.
 
I disagree that they'd be unaware, there's a very strong point in the books that many Confederates knew exactly what was going on but just didn't care because "they had it coming."
 
Who owns Haiti at this point?

Now I understand why you asked this question.

According to the books, Haiti was in danger of being invaded during the late 19th Century and, apparently, was invaded an occupied during the First Great War.
I forgot about that. I assumed that the Confederates would leave them alone since the birth of the CSA until the Second Great War.

They wouldn't commit genocide on Haiti so early in TL-191, even in a hypothetical Third Southern Victory scenario. They couldn't make them into slaves anymore, either. The Confederacy may have hated the existence of Haiti, but what else where they gonna do besides ignore them and probably just give them the "We don't recognize Black Republics" treatment. Assuming that the CSA may have thought about getting rid of them, that wouldn't look too good in the eyes of the international community.

A plausible answer to this question is that they are probably treated the way the U.S. did during the Banana Wars in OTL. Or they are left alone.

@Alterwright, @Allochronian, look who I found....

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Heros von Borcke
, Prussian aid, and close friend to Stuart during the Civil War/War of Secession.

Good find. I can imagine him finding some kind of better fortune in the victorious Confederacy.
 
Some interesting things about cities from another theard.


Richmond, Virginia - In the event of no Civil War, or at least Virginia not getting as smashed by it, Richmond would definitely be a greater city without having to be rebuilt and the continued status of West Virginia in the Commonwealth would likely prove a boon to industrialization, as the resources of the aforementioned state would be flowing to Richmond.

Big Stone Gap, Virginia - Change the Civil War (Averted or quicker ending) or remove Alexander Arthur, and such would've made available the capital needed to carry out the industrialization plans for the town. Such would've nerfed Middlesboro in Kentucky and perhaps Kingsport, Tennessee later on as Eastman Kodak might be more interested in developing its plant in the growing BSG. I personally don't think it could've become a Pittsburgh as was extolled, but a city of 50-80,000 with a strong industrial basis certainly seems possible. Such would've also kept the nearby coal towns relevant and large, first as sources of coal for iron/steel production, and then as suburbs as the town became a city. Add in UVA deciding to locate their affiliate campus here instead of Wise, and you'd definitely have the Virginian version of Johnson City, but with the industry of Kingsport thrown in.

Middlesboro, Kentucky - As kind of a reverse of the above, avert the 1890 Fire and have Barings not make such bad investments in Argentina, and Middlesboro could end up bigger than it did. If capital keeps flowing in, the railroad tunnel can be built and thus the city could become an important hub between Knoxville and Lexington, but the plans to turn it into a major industrial site were always going to fall short due to the poor quality of materials in the area. Overall, it could probably reach a size of 20-30,000.

Fort Blackmore, Virginia - I've never been able to confirm such, but a High School history teacher of mine stated that Eastman Kodak nearly built what became their Kingsport Plant in or near this tiny hamlet, but were stopped by some of the local tobacco growers. Had they failed, Fort Blackmore probably could've grown into a city of 30,000-40,000.

Johnson City, Tennessee - If you can somehow avert the Panic of 1893, Johnson City would continue to grow in size, and might be able to turn itself into a second Knoxville.

Muscle Shoals, Alabama - I'll let the town itself explain what nearly happened:



So kill off Norris, and you might be able to get a second Birmingham.

Mobile, Alabama - After the Civil War, trade began to shift away from the Mississippi and New Orleans lost some of its prominence in this regard. Had it got hit by a sufficiently strong Hurricane sometime in the 1870s-1890s, it's possible Mobile could've replaced it as the premier port on the Gulf, given its central location and proximity to the iron production sites at Birmingham.

Birmingham, Alabama - Avert the Civil War or have it won by the South, and Birmingham would've turned into every bit the rival of Pittsburgh that it was intended to be. Due to unfair Pro-Pittsburgh pricing rates forced into usage, Birmingham's ability sell was deeply undermined, and this was further compounded by the lack of sufficient regional capital to draw on due to the effects of the Civil War. The Iron and Steel Industry of the Birmingham, Alabama, District by Langdon White (Economic Geography, Vol. 4, No. 4 (Oct., 1928), pp. 349-365) outlines the areas Birmingham would've easily been able to out-compete Pittsburgh in at the minimum:


Duluth, Minnesota - U.S. Steel apparently narrowly chose expanding production in Pittsburgh over Duluth in 1911, a move which, if reversed, certainly would've brought more development.

Topeka, Kansas - Had it got the international airport over Kansas City, it could've went the Atlanta route of development.

Portland, Oregon - In the 1960s they tried to build a stadium to attract the Raiders and made a bid for the 1968 Olympics, but both ended up failing. Had they not, it would've obviously been a boon for the city.


Guthrie, Oklahoma

Territorial capital and then state capital after 1907, there was an election in 1910 that voted to move the capital to Oklahoma City. OKC had started to outpace Guthrie economically thanks to some key railroad junctions and industry in the city, and the local leaders there lobbied for the vote and then won.

If the rail lines had converged instead in Guthrie, or other similar economic factors, Guthrie remaining as the state capital would have impacted the whole center of the state. All the small towns in that area instead would be part of the urban metro area surrounding Guthrie.

Basically I would picture the urban core that currently surrounds Oklahoma City shifting north by about 40 miles(the distance between downtown OKC and Guthrie)
 
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Benito Mussolini (July 29, 1883-June 26, 1968), leader and founder of the National Fascist Party (Partito Nazionale Fascista), an Italian far-right and Actionist political party that was founded on November 9, 1917 and officially disbanded by the Italian government on May 31, 1920. Mussolini, a former socialist, founded the aforementioned party largely as a result of Italy not entering the First Great War on the side of the Entente Powers and other domestic problems within Italy, such as corruption, poverty and even some other issues such as trains not running on time. In response to losing the elections of 1920, on May 21 and May 22, 1920, Mussolini and his supporters in the PNF, along with Gabrielle D'Annunzio (March 12, 1863-May 21, 1920), leader of the right-wing to far-right Italian Nationalist Association (Associazione Nazionalista Italiana), staged an attempted coup in Rome known as the "March on Rome." The coup ended in a complete failure after the death of D'Annunzio, possibly on the orders of Mussolini, and a harsh crackdown by the Italian Army. After the coup. Mussolini was was arrested, tried, and convicted of treason against the Kingdom of Italy, and was then imprisoned for five years in the San Vittore Prison in Milan. After he was released from prison in August, 1925, Mussolini had found his former political base had evaporated and joined other smaller far-right parties in Italy, none of which had any serious chance of gaining any power. As a result, Mussolini retired from politics and moved to a life of obscurity in his hometown of Predappio. He spent the rest of his life living in obscurity and working numerous odd jobs around the area of his hometown. He also wrote a number of books about Italian history, political theory, among other subjects. Throughout the 1930s, numerous far-right and Actionists within Italy called on Mussolini to come out of retirement to lead a new far-right coalition, but he refused on every occasion. On June 26, 1968, Mussolini died of heart failure in Predappio at the age of 84. None of his children or descendants ever attained political office.

OOC: Much of this comes from the Filing the Gaps post on the Kingdom of Italy.

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King Umberto II of Italy (September 15, 1904-October 28, 1982), King of Italy for almost thirty-five years between December 28, 1947 until his death in 1982. His reign saw the Kingdom of Italy becoming an important secondary power in Europe and Africa throughout the Post-War Era, as well as an increasing of relations between Italy and Germany.

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King Victor Emmanuel IV of Italy (February 12, 1937 - ), King of Italy from 1982 to the present day.
 
Good find. I can imagine him finding some kind of better fortune in the victorious Confederacy.

Thank you! He's honesty interesting, and even after the Civil War, flew the Confederate flag from the battlements of his family's castle in Prussia, came back to America to meet with comrades and friends, including Wade Hampton, William H. F. Lee, and Matthew C. Butler, and even the Sons of Confederate Veterans purchased a new headstone for von Borcke when the orignal was destroyed by the Red Army in 45.

He may be an Confederate version of Von Steuben, Pulaski, and Lafayette, his Prussian/German heritage being overlooked and more focus on his friendship with Stuart and time in the War of Secession. Maybe even fighting in the Second Mexcian War. (He would avoid the injured he suffered in 1863.)
 
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One of the most famous photographs from the Second Great War. Confederate POWs were required to watch footage of the concentration camps used in the Population Reduction. Many of these soldiers were unaware of the atrocities committed by the Freedomite government and began to break down and cry.

I disagree that they'd be unaware, there's a very strong point in the books that many Confederates knew exactly what was going on but just didn't care because "they had it coming."

That's the sad truth. The fact of the matter is the average Confederate reaction to the Population Reduction was 'It should have killed more blacks'. I'm not saying the whole population would be like that, and maybe some would be horrified to some point, but the great deal of the South accepted it, and wanted the Blacks gone.
 
Historic Black Population in North America between , 1790-1860

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Note: While it is true that the Black population in the United States after 1862 would be significantly small, I noticed that Missouri and Maryland have a decent amount of that same group. Besides cities such as Philadelphia and Boston, Missouri and Maryland were the only states in which Blacks could be found in large numbers.

I'd like to think that when the U.S. army was desegregated and allowed Blacks to serve during the Second Great War, many African-Americans from Missouri and Maryland answered the call to fight against the Confederacy.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
 
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That's the sad truth. The fact of the matter is the average Confederate reaction to the Population Reduction was 'It should have killed more blacks'. I'm not saying the whole population would be like that, and maybe some would be horrified to some point, but the great deal of the South accepted it, and wanted the Blacks gone.

Another good reason why the U.S. and the international community would never allow the CSA to exist again.
 
That's the sad truth. The fact of the matter is the average Confederate reaction to the Population Reduction was 'It should have killed more blacks'. I'm not saying the whole population would be like that, and maybe some would be horrified to some point, but the great deal of the South accepted it, and wanted the Blacks gone.
Another good reason why the U.S. and the international community would never allow the CSA to exist again.
Welp, I imagine that TTL's version of Denazification is going to be significantly harder and more costly, considering that the US is going to be trying to reintegrate the South after it spent over 80 years as an independent country. That's not even bringing up the Neo-Confederate groups that will likely form in the later years that will resist the US every step of the way.
 
Map of North America during Operation Blackbeard

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A few changes from the original story:
*Sequoyah and the missing parts of Sonora, Chihuahua, Missouri, and Delmarva peninsula are successfully conquered by the CSA, until late 1943--early 1944
*Canadian Rebels declare the rest of Canada west of Quebec into a self-declared state.
*The term "Radius Powers" is an OTL reference to how the phrase "Axis Powers" appeared.

Some other notes:
-The darker the red color is, the more in control the CSA has over the area. That red dot in the Atlantic Ocean is Bermuda.
-I didn't like the idea of Mexico and Quebec being involved in SGW, but I decided to keep them in the story so it won't be too different.
-I could see some small skirmishes being done by Alaskan Russians near the region in Canada and the Pacific Northwest region.
-Oh, and the Dominican Republic could have a more active role in invading Haiti.
-White is neutral
 
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@Alterwright, and @Allochronian, an interesting idea between me and @Joshua Ben Ari.


I could see a Von Borcke Society in hopes of improving German-Confederate relations, or at least improving the view of German-Confederates in the CSA.

But it would do wonders for German-Confederates in Texas (Ferdinand Koenig, for example), Virginia, and Kentucky. Especially in Texas, where German Texans developed into a distinct group and there even was the Texasdeutsch dialect language.
 
Historic Black Population in North America between , 1790-1860


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Note: While it is true that the Black population in the United States after 1862 would be significantly small, I noticed that Missouri has a decent amount of that same group. Besides cities such as Philadelphia and Boston, Missouri was the only state in which Blacks could be found in large numbers.

I'd like to think that when the U.S. army was desegregated and allowed Blacks to serve during the Second Great War, many African-Americans from Missouri answered the call to fight against the Confederacy.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

This may prove useful on the matter of Blacks in Missouri.
 

Rafeal Trujillo, President of the Dominican Republic from 1930 until his US-backed deposition in 1946. During his rule, the ruling party known as the Dominican Party, which had been described by many historians as Actionist, was the sole legal party in the nation, and Haitians and Afro-Dominicans in the Dominican Republic suffered persecution and even ethnic cleansing, despite Trujillo himself being part Black Haitian himself. During the Second Great War, Trujillo, while keeping the Dominican Republic officially neutral during the war, maintained friendly relations with Featherston's Confederate States, and wanting to have a place for his nation in the Confederate "New Order", actively surrendered about 100 to 250,000 Haitians and Afro-Dominicans to the Confederates and their death-camps in Confederate-occupied Haiti. In May, 1946, almost two years after the end of the war, an American joint operations between the USMC and Navy invaded the Dominican Republic and overthrow Trujillo, who was then placed in US Military Custody. After a brief trail, on June 24, 1947, Trujillo was executed by hanging in Santo Domingo, the capital city he once named after himself as Ciudad Trujillo, for crimes against humanity. The US then installed a provisional occupation and provisional government before recreating the Dominican Republic as the third Dominican Republic on July 1, 1954.

OCC: Much of this comes from this post.


Hector Trujillo, the younger brother and close associate of the aforementioned dictator and a general in the Dominican Army who actively participated in the murders of and deportations of Haitians and Afro-Dominicans into Confederate-occupied Haiti. After the US invasion of the Dominican Republic, he was arrested, tried and finally executed for crimes against humanity on October 26, 1947.


Joaquín Balaguer, the first democratically-elected President of the Dominican Republic after the Trujillo dictatorship. Until his death in 2000, he served as President of the Dominican Republic many times, first from 1954 to 1960, then from 1970 to 1976 and again from 1988 to 1996.
 
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Photograph of the American superbombing of Newport News, Virginia. Casualties were relatively low when compared to the superbombing of Philadelphia as roughly 30,000 of the city's 50,000* inhabitants were killed by the blast.

*figured Newport News would be larger if the CSA receives immigrants from Europe during the 19th and early 20th century.
 
Random random stuff about my homestate of Mississippi.

Mississippi before War of Secession. (1848-1862.)

1: Both Democratic and Whig Party was against California Statehood.

2: 1850 Compromise reaction is dramatic, prompting political realignment and an rush towards secession. Senator Foote lead many Mississippians with most Whigs and some Democrats into the Union Party, who was willing to give the compromise an chance and seek to perverse the union by by compromise. Foote himself was actively involved in formulating the legislation that admitted California as an free state also pushed for 'popular sovereignty' provision to vote on slavery.

2: Against them was the State Rights Party of Democrats who favor secession who had the support of Senator Davis, Governor Quitman, and most of the Legislature.

3: Foote wins the Governorship by only 999 votes in 1851 and the Union Party gain controlled of the State House of Representatives. His term was largely an lull in sectional tension till 1854.

4: Democrat John J. McRae (1854-1857.) promoted state improvements, such as the construction of railroads. Before leaving office, trains where running through Jackson to New Orleans on the Great Northen Railroad and through Meridian to Mobile and Ohio. Appropriate more money for state schools and adoption an new state code.

5: The Ostend Manifesto.

6: 1855, Governor McRae defeats Know-Nothing candidate Charles D. Fontaine, an former Democrat. National Democratic Party start to divide along sectional lines.

7: Mississippi Representative William Barksdale assists Preston Brooks beating Charles Summer by holding Summer by the coat.

8: Mississippians have hope for an resolution with the election of James Buchanan. Jacob Thompson of Mississippi becomes Sectary of the Interior. Robert J. Walker of Mississippi is appointed Governor of the Kansas Territory, but soon resigns over the validity of of the Lecompton Constitution

9: William McWillie first year as Governor seem to be an lull as he urgent the need to protect the fertile bottomland from flooding with levees and building additional railroads. This ends with Harper's Ferry. Democrat John Jones Pettus and disunionist disciple of Quitman overpowers Harvey W. Walter.

10: Pettus recommends $ 150, 000 for weapons and ammunition. Mississippi State Convention on Secession meet in Jackson, January 7, 1861 with William Barry as President and Lucius Q.C Lamar as Chairman to draft an ordinance of secession. Approved, 84, to 15.

11: Battle of Ship Island.

12: Shiloh and Corinth.

13: Admiral David Farragut bombs Vicksburg throughout July.

Antebellum Mississippi/Pre-Civil War/War off Secession.

1: Start of the Civil War, there was an total of 437, 404 slaves, and less then 800 free blacks.

2: Panic of 1837. Except for one in Yazoo City and one in Holly Springs, every private bank became insolvent, forfeited its charter and shuttered its doors.

3: Elite planters were concentrated in the most desirable agricultural regions along the Mississippi River. (The Natchez district.) Smaller planters cleared lands in the interior. The planter class was less then 20% of all slaveholders, and 1% of white families. Tons of famous duels.

By 1860, less then half of all white families could own even one slave. Yeoman farmers compose the majority of white families with varying social and political interests.

4: Mississippi Married Women's Property Act of 1839 which protected an married woman ownership of property.

5: Jefferson College, the Whitworth Female College, the Mississippi College, Oakland College. (We was underschooled.)

6: The Methodist Church was by large the largest denomination. By 1860, it was reported 60,000 members including 11,000 African Americans in 606 Churches.

7: Baptist churches was found in primarily in small rural communities. By 1860, 41,000 members in 529 churches. Slaves may have composed as much as one-third of Baptists members.

Presbyterians developed churches thanks to Scot-Irish immigration in the territory. Mississippi Presbytery founded in 1816. By 1835, the Synod of Mississippi was establish with 24 Presbyterians churches. Reached only 148 by 1860. The Cumberland Presbyterian Church came in the 1830s and had 60 churches in the Northen half of Mississippi by 1860 appealing to different sets of people.

Oldest was the Roman Catholic and Episcopalians. The Roman Catholic disappear when Spain left in 1798, until the 1840s when the Diocse of Natchez got it first bishop, and by 1860, there was only 17 churches. The Episcopalians got kicked out by the Spanish and didn't reocver till the 1820s to organize its first Diocese. Attracted wealthy planters, merchants and professionals, there was 25 Episcopal churches, mostly in the Natchez and the Gulf.

Jews mostly in Vicksburg, Natchez, Jackson and so on. (See here, here. And Beth Israel Congregation.)

8: Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek and the Treaty of Pontotoc Creek.

9: The Nullifier Faction jointed with the Whigs to form an unusual politician alliance. (Expect they the share dislike of President I AM THE LAW Jackson, they shared very little.) During the 1830s, the Whig-Nullifier group was often able to successfully the Jacksonian Democrats in statewide political contests.

The Wings in Mississippi would be the OTL 'Bourbons'. Democrats/aristocratic conservatives who ran the State after Reconstruction and an lot of the time acted like it was still 1860 and not 1877, or water it down. For what it was worth, they did support diversify the state with outside investment to fuel railroads, industrial manufacturing, and was willing to work with Northen businessmen, fiends in big business as it were. (Among them was Lucius Q.C Lamar, Longstreet's VP, John Marshall Stone, Robert Lowry, James Z. George, and Edward C. Walthall. )

Then the OTL Populists of the State, the Radical Liberals. The small farmers and progressive third-party. (Financial reform, sliver coins, and paper notes. And to protect farmers from falling commodity prices and big on regulations to stop railroads from engaging in price-fixing schemes.) Among them Oliver Hudson Kelley, Thomas Gore, Absolom M. West, Rufus K. Prewitt, Clark Lewis, Joseph H. Beeman, and Frank Burkitt.

The Liberals (before the merger with the Radicals) would be competing with the Radicals (populists, financial reformers, industrialists) and a Farmers party. The Mississippi merger of Radicals, Liberals, and Farmers would be enough to really challenge the Whigs for the Governorship. (Thanks to @Joshua Ben Ari.)
 
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