AH challenge: Fascist, Totalitarian Greenland

Anawrahta

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Anawrahta

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They certainly would have most square kilometers of lebensraum per capita!

It would be interesting to speculate the relationship of fascist greenland with Canada and USA. Such a regime would be a fierce member of NATO, with significant support from US military bases, but at the same time having revanchist feelings towards Inuit territories under occupation by US and Canada(Alaska and Nunavut). This country could see itself as the last native american state in the world and pursue militant isolation.
 
Maybe, for some reason I can't think of right now, Danish Greelanders try to establish a Rhodesia-style herrenvolk state, to lord it over the Inuit. Such a state would have little interest in irrededent unions with other aboriginal populations in the area, for obvious reasons.

Again, not sure why this would happen. Maybe some left-wing government in Copenahgen "goes too far" with imposing policies designed to benefit the Inuit, and some Danish party in Greenland shoots its way into power and declares indpenedence?
 
There were Native American fascists OTL in the 30s like Elwood Towner who blamed the Jews (who ruled the US government) for the problems facing their community. So maybe get this movement to somehow spread to Greenland, and from there have it gain influence amongst native Greenlanders. I guess after that a textbook Nazi wank combined with some overambitious and ill-advised plans could have a few hundred German soldiers landed by U-Boat alongside supplies for local insurgents to seize the few major cities.

This fails but after 1945 the event and insurgency is well remembered locally. Denmark goes more left-wing than OTL and the Soviets look stronger than OTL as well. The local fascist Inuit rebrand themselves as strong anti-communists and drop their most outwardly fascist elements. WWIII in the 1950s decimates Denmark, and combined with a more right-wing US, independent Greenland is created. These Inuit fascists win the first election decisively and sooner or later create a totalitarian state ran by one of their war heroes from the uprising in WWII.

The white minority is subject to discriminatory policies intended to redistribute their wealth to natives. Any Jews and communists (including suspected) are imprisoned or killed. However, the regime is strongly dependent on the US for economic support, developmental aid, and trade, which limits the damage fascist Greenland can do.
 

Anawrahta

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There were Native American fascists OTL in the 30s like Elwood Towner who blamed the Jews (who ruled the US government) for the problems facing their community. So maybe get this movement to somehow spread to Greenland, and from there have it gain influence amongst native Greenlanders. I guess after that a textbook Nazi wank combined with some overambitious and ill-advised plans could have a few hundred German soldiers landed by U-Boat alongside supplies for local insurgents to seize the few major cities.

This fails but after 1945 the event and insurgency is well remembered locally. Denmark goes more left-wing than OTL and the Soviets look stronger than OTL as well. The local fascist Inuit rebrand themselves as strong anti-communists and drop their most outwardly fascist elements. WWIII in the 1950s decimates Denmark, and combined with a more right-wing US, independent Greenland is created. These Inuit fascists win the first election decisively and sooner or later create a totalitarian state ran by one of their war heroes from the uprising in WWII.

The white minority is subject to discriminatory policies intended to redistribute their wealth to natives. Any Jews and communists (including suspected) are imprisoned or killed. However, the regime is strongly dependent on the US for economic support, developmental aid, and trade, which limits the damage fascist Greenland can do.

For pragmatic purposes I doubt they would engage in persecution, and would focus on national strengthening due to weak nature of the greenlandic economy. Greenland had large deposits of cryolite, so the greenlandic government would likely nationalize strategic resources and engage in state-backed industrialization and modernization in order incur capital accumulation. Greenland's industrialization would resemble the modernization of communist mongolia with forced sedentarism, rapid industrialization and development of a national education system and national army(a small one :). The government could also promote pastoralism in order to decrease food imports.
Greenland could fare much better economically with a an economic policy similar to south korea, or it ends up comparable to Albania or worse North korea. It all depends on the competence and psychology of the leadership. The former case greenland would have an economy comparable to the baltic, having joined the OECD in the late 1980s.
 

Khanzeer

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They certainly would have most square kilometers of lebensraum per capita!
Harpoon equipped death squads unleashed on the walruses and seals ? Their only neighbors

And will Greenpeace finally mount a d day overthrow this Inuit Tyranny and liberate these beloved mammals from the clutches of these monsters ?
 
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Hnau

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Challenge accepted: Greenland attracts at first the attention of popular postwar Danish utopian movements and New Age charismatic groups including cults. After several of their publications and novels gain even larger popularity, the attention brings in a slow wave of settlers from America, Latin America, Asia, and especially Europe. In this wave, several very intelligent technocrats arrive in Greenland which are able to hobble together something like a working industrial society even on that frozen continent, depending on timely and efficient transportation and storage of oil that is focused on rapid scaling so as to provide all Native Americans the same standard of living enjoyed by Americans and some Europeans at this point. Buckminster Fuller builds a ton of those domes (he had the designs back in the 1950s). Stanislaw Szukalski arrives and designs some amazing statues in the public squares of the new settler communities and tries to cultivate a New Polish identity in Greenland.

Obviously, Greenland especially back in the 1950s can't support a burgeoning population easily. There are many tragedies, and many people struggle and die especially at first in the frigid cold of the Greenland coast, no matter how much skilled labor and technology could make a difference. Yet in the 1960s it attracted followers who are spin-offs of the American, British, and German counter cultural movements including radical libertarians and ethnostate colonist theorists. Most people don't know what they're getting themselves into, but the community grows and learns from each other. Many people leave after so many months or years. Paolo Soleri arrives and starts to build arcologies alongside the Buckminster domes. Basically, this is a society of settlers that says they are in favor of radically improving the lives of the Inuit, but their actual agenda and behavior is focused almost entirely on building a new utopian industrial democratic nation. There are attempts to integrate with the Inuit culture, and share customs and even dress. However, ultimately the influx of foreigners puts too much of a strain on the natives.

The first seriously large generation of New Greenlanders comes of age in the 1980s in which all different sorts of activities have become more common on the island, it still operates much like a closed society because of its distance from its neighbors. Yet, with the world becoming increasingly smaller because of the increase of transatlantic flight, ideas spread, there are riots and mass protests, and finally the government Denmark decides to crackdown on the experimentalist society on Greenland. They grandstand and say that the Inuit must be restored to primacy on the island. Basically, the Danish choose to undergo the Dutch experience of bringing back their settlers from a colony. Only, in this situation Greenlanders react more like the American revolutionaries did against the British crown, or the Boers against the same. The Eight Month War is a fascinating read in the history books. Obviously, its too much for the Danish military, even with token help from allies, and the United States wants to sweep the matter under the rug, so Greenland is granted independence under the name the Republic of New Greenland.

Only it doesn't stay that way. Integrationists among Inuit and mixed-ethnic youth militias were very important to turning the war against the Danish helmet-wearers, especially in hiding their own soldiers in the snowy mountains from Danish air raids. After much of New Greenland's sparse but impressive infrastructure is bombed, even with minimal reparations reconstruction will be slow. Everyone took heavy losses for a modern war. Yet the Inuit knew how to take care of the survivors with what scant resources they had, even the foreigners. For a few brief years more people in New Greenland followed the Old Ways than they ever had before. The war experience unifies the New Greenland nation under a set of combined principles and desires.

Unfortunately, reconstruction has only minimal success because no more than a decade later, nuclear war virtually destroys all countries belonging to NATO and the nascent Federation of Russia because of a technical error in the radar and a hyperactive military officer. Nuclear winter covers up the globe. Surviving is hard, but it helps when New Greenland brings in refugees that make it as far as their storm-struck ports that come with food, weapons, and trade goods. They turn away people on what becomes a very cruel and dispassionate system of screening for diseases and radioactivity. The country rations food and operates at a full emergency for years. Finally, nuclear winter starts tapering off, and Greenland is actually relatively well off. Iceland survived and so did Ireland. Yet the next generation of New Greenlanders are like hardcore psychologically traumatized survivor types who demand full allegiance to the unified Inuit culture in every aspect except in their national and cosmopolitan modes of living. Those who retreat into "regressive" cultures are sent to re-education camps far to the north. They expand into the Canadian Arctic by conquering other Inuit tribes and other survivor groups and continue south.

As an aside, what if this becomes a hermit empire into the age of continued global warming (still a ton of carbon in the atmosphere), and they purposefully accelerate the melt of Greenland's ice to create an inland lake and become an agricultural superpower. Most of the rest of the globe stays screwed however, and is hardly able to recover from rapid climate change until a new stability point is reached.
 
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You have way too much time on your hands :)

Challenge accepted: Greenland attracts at first the attention of popular postwar Danish utopian movements and New Age charismatic groups including cults. After several of their publications and novels gain even larger popularity, the attention brings in a slow wave of settlers from America, Latin America, Asia, and especially Europe. In this wave, several very intelligent technocrats arrive in Greenland which are able to hobble together something like a working industrial society even on that frozen continent, depending on timely and efficient transportation and storage of oil that is focused on rapid scaling so as to provide all Native Americans the same standard of living enjoyed by Americans and some Europeans at this point. Buckminster Fuller builds a ton of those domes (he had the designs back in the 1950s). Stanislaw Szukalski arrives and designs some amazing statues in the public squares of the new settler communities and tries to cultivate a New Polish identity in Greenland.

Obviously, Greenland especially back in the 1950s can't support a burgeoning population easily. There are many tragedies, and many people struggle and die especially at first in the frigid cold of the Greenland coast, no matter how much skilled labor and technology could make a difference. Yet in the 1960s it attracted followers who are spin-offs of the American, British, and German counter cultural movements including radical libertarians and ethnostate colonist theorists. Most people don't know what they're getting themselves into, but the community grows and learns from each other. Many people leave after so many months or years. Paolo Soleri arrives and starts to build arcologies alongside the Buckminster domes. Basically, this is a society of settlers that says they are in favor of radically improving the lives of the Inuit, but their actual agenda and behavior is focused almost entirely on building a new utopian industrial democratic nation. There are attempts to integrate with the Inuit culture, and share customs and even dress. However, ultimately the influx of foreigners puts too much of a strain on the natives.

The first seriously large generation of New Greenlanders comes of age in the 1980s in which all different sorts of activities have become more common on the island, it still operates much like a closed society because of its distance from its neighbors. Yet, with the world becoming increasingly smaller because of the increase of transatlantic flight, ideas spread, there are riots and mass protests, and finally the government Denmark decides to crackdown on the experimentalist society on Greenland. They grandstand and say that the Inuit must be restored to primacy on the island. Basically, the Danish choose to undergo the Dutch experience of bringing back their settlers from a colony. Only, in this situation Greenlanders react more like the American revolutionaries did against the British crown, or the Boers against the same. The Eight Month War is a fascinating read in the history books. Obviously, its too much for the Danish military, even with token help from allies, and the United States wants to sweep the matter under the rug, so Greenland is granted independence under the name the Republic of New Greenland.

Only it doesn't stay that way. Integrationists among Inuit and mixed-ethnic youth militias were very important to turning the war against the Danish helmet-wearers, especially in hiding their own soldiers in the snowy mountains from Danish air raids. After much of New Greenland's sparse but impressive infrastructure is bombed, even with minimal reparations reconstruction will be slow. Everyone took heavy losses for a modern war. Yet the Inuit knew how to take care of the survivors with what scant resources they had, even the foreigners. For a few brief years more people in New Greenland followed the Old Ways than they ever had before. The war experience unifies the New Greenland nation under a set of combined principles and desires.

Unfortunately, reconstruction has only minimal success because no more than a decade later, nuclear war virtually destroys all countries belonging to NATO and the nascent Federation of Russia because of a technical error in the radar and a hyperactive military officer. Nuclear winter covers up the globe. Surviving is hard, but it helps when New Greenland brings in refugees that make it as far as their storm-struck ports that come with food, weapons, and trade goods. They turn away people on what becomes a very cruel and dispassionate system of screening for diseases and radioactivity. The country rations food and operates at a full emergency for years. Finally, nuclear winter starts tapering off, and Greenland is actually relatively well off. Iceland survived and so did Ireland. Yet the next generation of New Greenlanders are like hardcore psychologically traumatized survivor types who demand full allegiance to the unified Inuit culture in every aspect except in their national and cosmopolitan modes of living. Those who retreat into "regressive" cultures are sent to re-education camps far to the north. They expand into the Canadian Arctic by conquering other Inuit tribes and other survivor groups and continue south.

As an aside, what if this becomes a hermit empire into the age of continued global warming (still a ton of carbon in the atmosphere), and they purposefully accelerate the melt of Greenland's ice to create an inland lake and become an agricultural superpower. Most of the rest of the globe stays screwed however, and is hardly able to recover from rapid climate change until a new stability point is reached.
 

Anawrahta

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Challenge accepted: Greenland attracts at first the attention of popular postwar Danish utopian movements and New Age charismatic groups including cults. After several of their publications and novels gain even larger popularity, the attention brings in a slow wave of settlers from America, Latin America, Asia, and especially Europe. In this wave, several very intelligent technocrats arrive in Greenland which are able to hobble together something like a working industrial society even on that frozen continent, depending on timely and efficient transportation and storage of oil that is focused on rapid scaling so as to provide all Native Americans the same standard of living enjoyed by Americans and some Europeans at this point. Buckminster Fuller builds a ton of those domes (he had the designs back in the 1950s). Stanislaw Szukalski arrives and designs some amazing statues in the public squares of the new settler communities and tries to cultivate a New Polish identity in Greenland.

Obviously, Greenland especially back in the 1950s can't support a burgeoning population easily. There are many tragedies, and many people struggle and die especially at first in the frigid cold of the Greenland coast, no matter how much skilled labor and technology could make a difference. Yet in the 1960s it attracted followers who are spin-offs of the American, British, and German counter cultural movements including radical libertarians and ethnostate colonist theorists. Most people don't know what they're getting themselves into, but the community grows and learns from each other. Many people leave after so many months or years. Paolo Soleri arrives and starts to build arcologies alongside the Buckminster domes. Basically, this is a society of settlers that says they are in favor of radically improving the lives of the Inuit, but their actual agenda and behavior is focused almost entirely on building a new utopian industrial democratic nation. There are attempts to integrate with the Inuit culture, and share customs and even dress. However, ultimately the influx of foreigners puts too much of a strain on the natives.

The first seriously large generation of New Greenlanders comes of age in the 1980s in which all different sorts of activities have become more common on the island, it still operates much like a closed society because of its distance from its neighbors. Yet, with the world becoming increasingly smaller because of the increase of transatlantic flight, ideas spread, there are riots and mass protests, and finally the government Denmark decides to crackdown on the experimentalist society on Greenland. They grandstand and say that the Inuit must be restored to primacy on the island. Basically, the Danish choose to undergo the Dutch experience of bringing back their settlers from a colony. Only, in this situation Greenlanders react more like the American revolutionaries did against the British crown, or the Boers against the same. The Eight Month War is a fascinating read in the history books. Obviously, its too much for the Danish military, even with token help from allies, and the United States wants to sweep the matter under the rug, so Greenland is granted independence under the name the Republic of New Greenland.

Only it doesn't stay that way. Integrationists among Inuit and mixed-ethnic youth militias were very important to turning the war against the Danish helmet-wearers, especially in hiding their own soldiers in the snowy mountains from Danish air raids. After much of New Greenland's sparse but impressive infrastructure is bombed, even with minimal reparations reconstruction will be slow. Everyone took heavy losses for a modern war. Yet the Inuit knew how to take care of the survivors with what scant resources they had, even the foreigners. For a few brief years more people in New Greenland followed the Old Ways than they ever had before. The war experience unifies the New Greenland nation under a set of combined principles and desires.

Unfortunately, reconstruction has only minimal success because no more than a decade later, nuclear war virtually destroys all countries belonging to NATO and the nascent Federation of Russia because of a technical error in the radar and a hyperactive military officer. Nuclear winter covers up the globe. Surviving is hard, but it helps when New Greenland brings in refugees that make it as far as their storm-struck ports that come with food, weapons, and trade goods. They turn away people on what becomes a very cruel and dispassionate system of screening for diseases and radioactivity. The country rations food and operates at a full emergency for years. Finally, nuclear winter starts tapering off, and Greenland is actually relatively well off. Iceland survived and so did Ireland. Yet the next generation of New Greenlanders are like hardcore psychologically traumatized survivor types who demand full allegiance to the unified Inuit culture in every aspect except in their national and cosmopolitan modes of living. Those who retreat into "regressive" cultures are sent to re-education camps far to the north. They expand into the Canadian Arctic by conquering other Inuit tribes and other survivor groups and continue south.

As an aside, what if this becomes a hermit empire into the age of continued global warming (still a ton of carbon in the atmosphere), and they purposefully accelerate the melt of Greenland's ice to create an inland lake and become an agricultural superpower. Most of the rest of the globe stays screwed however, and is hardly able to recover from rapid climate change until a new stability point is reached.


This is actually pretty good. :)
Do you think as Greenland expands south, it will convert the formerly Indo-european speakers into Greenlandic speakers, just as the Oghuz turks migrate into Anatolia and Shirvan and did complete turkfication and beylikization of those regions? Could we see Greenlandic caciques spread greenlandic culture across Europe, East Asia and North America? :cool:
 
What if Danish settlers set up an Arpartheid system under a fascust pretext ?

Maybe some Nazi-esque ideology takes hold among Danish Greenlanders, and after Denmark gets taken over by Germany, they take over Greenland, allying with the Axis and imposing an Apartheid-like system.
 
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