So *Sonora is definitely American territory and I doubt Superia will be annexed, as there's an oooold quote in one of the earliest parts where an "Andrew Everett" is proclaimed its President in 1990 or so.

Carolina and New Orleans are the big questions.... although why Carolina would ever get independent with its ancient Confederal borders, when those *Appalachian-men and Ozarkers in now-Ohio Confederation and *Great Plains citizens in now-Westernesse Confederation have absolutely no cultural connections to Carolina's *Deep Southern way of life at all, would flabbergast me. You don't conquer an enemy then let it go with MORE territory, particularly let go with integral territory of yours whose inhabitants see themselves as totally you, y'know? Any independent Carolina at best will be its pre-war territory and the "One Carolina" movement remains some idiotic pipe dream. I'd personally be fine enough seeing Carolina annexed more or less in its present size and let healing and integration begin if you ask me.

Seems the Empire of New Spain is indeed formally abolished to let just Mexico and Guatemala remain. An interesting idea of history, for sure, but proclaiming kingdoms out of everything probably helped lift nationalism in those areas in the long run versus the ENA's more tightly-bound confederations.

A pity on North Noochaland and Shemeretvsk. Someday one can hope they are re-acquired by America.

There is, by contrast, a deep irony of such an extensive American thalassocratic empire that rivals European ones in distance and extent.

.... Jesus that Big Black Blob is scary-looking.
 
Here's a final update to the postwar map, now with annotations.

I get the impression that the map understates Feng China's gains.
In SEA, they did not gain only Tonkin, but a large part of OTL Laos too.

Charles turned and stared at her for entirely different reasons than the ones he felt in his heart. “Dongj – you mean Tonkin? The Emperor’s annexed Tonkin?”

Wei smiled. “The Siamese sued for peace. We have Tonkin, Luang Prabang and Vientiane all annexed to the Empire now.”
# 240

The same chapter did also suggests that the claim in the annotations that "China is finally reunited" is not true.

Wei nodded. “Well remembered, Miss Cheung. Yes, that is what the usurpers wanted, but fortunately, our…sympathisers let us know of the plan before it began. Our soldiers were already mobilising as theirs did, and the Imperial Council has cut a deal with President Burwell. In return for invading the usurpers while they are still caught offguard—something which we would have wished to do in any case—the Americans will support us on recovering certain possessions elsewhere.” Wei’s implacable visage cracked for a moment with a smile.

What could he mean by that?
The republics of Formosa and Liandong, especially the former which the Feng do not like, but were to busy elsewhere to deal with it.

The declaration of a republic also irked the Feng leadership, even though they continued to appoint a governor for the island who was acknowledged in a perfunctory way. The fact that Formosa was considerably more radical in its republicanism than the stodgy warlord ‘republic’ of Liaodong did not help; some named the island ‘the Corsica of the East’. However, the Feng were soon too occupied by more immediate troubles to concern themselves with Formosan trends: the Riverine Wars had begun.
# 161

That is no longer the case, and the two big non-Chinese players in Formosa are either gone or seem to be supporting Feng China.
Considering how French and Russians mostly failed to hold on to most of their pieces of the China pie, I don't see them being willing or capable to defend distant Formosa against absorption into the Chinese sphere of influence.
Liandong could avoid that fate thanks to Russo-Corean protection.

Also looks like Poland took no land, aren't there still parts of Germany with a Polish majority or at least a good % of them?

The Kingdom of Poland has already absorbed the most Polish parts of the Germanies during the Popular Wars era.

I'm curious what happened with the Cape Republic to accept French protection...

They were invaded by American Natal, threatened by Belgium and their patron collapsed.
The Kingdom of the French was alongside the UPSA the original patron of the Dutch exiles, anyway.
 
You know? The Western Powers realized that a Communist goverment was dangerous to them from day one because they sent all those Expeditionary forces to fight the Soviets. The ghost of a violent leftist revolution was strong since the Commune of Paris and the failed Revolution of 1905. Goverments of the countries on this ATL have a vague idea of Societism is or they see them as a group of harmless crazy people. I think that the surprise effect is going to key to sucess in the early years of Societism. The Philadelphia Block is not going to realize the danger of the Societists untill they already started to consolidate and conquer other countries. Societism in nature is probably more agressive than Socialism in terms of military expansion. For OTL Soviets, the expansion of revolution was important but not as much as consolidating the political and economic structure of the socialist country first. For Societists, the existence of other countries that have a separate culture and identity is an obstacle to their goal of the Final Society and must be destroyed. Their tactic is probably attacking weak and vulnerable countries (Mexico, the Batavian Republic, Spain) to expand their influence and ideology as quickly as possible. I think that's the reason why Diversatarianism as a cultural/political ideology forms as counterbalance to Societism so quickly
 
Just noticed that besides East Germany and a little sliver from both the Danubian Federation and the Ottomans, *Russia/Vitebsk etc has already expanded over practically all of the OTL Warsaw Pact us more elsewhere.

Concerning the next thread, I'd appreciate it if when started a link were placed to it in here as otherwise I might miss it.
 
Societism in nature is probably more agressive than Socialism in terms of military expansion. For OTL Soviets, the expansion of revolution was important but not as much as consolidating the political and economic structure of the socialist country first. For Societists, the existence of other countries that have a separate culture and identity is an obstacle to their goal of the Final Society and must be destroyed.
Well, not there being other countries anymore is their whole point. OTOH, Sanchez would be revolting in his coffin at the notion of a Societist polity engaging in "military expansion".
 
Czechosilesia

Look how they massacred my boy.

Kinda weird that Silesia, which is even more ethnically German than Bohemia, is in the name of the new country which was announced to us by words "slovanská vzájemnost" (Slavic unity).

So Spain will be interesting. The French will take over more directly, with no outside powers really caring at this point, but the Spanish people probably will and will look towards their fellow Spanish speakers from beyond the great pond (and they will probably take Portugal with them). The Pyrenees are the border of the civilised world in the present after all, even if Navarre, Catalonia and the Balearics are still independent.
 
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It was referenced that New Holland is asking for French province status. Does that (the rest of) French Antipodea already has integral status as a French province?
 
It was referenced that New Holland is asking for French province status. Does that (the rest of) French Antipodea already has integral status as a French province?

See population and land area of the Kingdom of the French in #229.

Here's a final update to the postwar map, now with annotations.

German Bundesreich and colonies

Just German Bundesreich. The German colonies are gone.

ENA-occupied former Mexican provinces North Arizpe and Nueva Irlanda.

Sounds like the ENA forced Mexico to restructure the Mexican administrative division before they separated Mexican provinces from Mexico.
North Arizpe used to be part of the Arizpe province till the war and Nueva Irlanda absorbed the province of Tejas y Luisiana.

The Hapsburgs paid their debts for the failed Turkish gambit. Servia is once again ruled from Constantinople, much to Russia's fury.

They do not seem to have paid the domestic debts yet.

The influential South Slavs must be furious.
They got sold out for nothing.
Combined with the Romanian losses, this is going to be a serious threat to the existing order in Danubia.
 

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Since the Croats, along with Serbs, are said to be influential in using the Kingdom system set up in Danubia, it might only be a matter of time before Croatian intellectuals, using both Rumania and Ragusa as prototypes, argue for the creation of a separate Croat State. Maybe the Karađorđević dynasty will be involved, since a Hapsburg King is out of the question.
 
What were the places Russia was able to occupy in German Pomerania?

Also, how much of Jutland did Norden take? Northern Schleswig? All of Schleswig?
 
Shouldn't "Italian Sofala" be in the Marseilles Protocol colour? And, by the way, why is it called "Sofala"? The area historically called like that, according to the map, would be part of Scandinavian Gazaland.

Thande did get it right, but then he mixed some names.

The colony had broken into three as the Portuguese administrators lost control of their territory: Gazaland in the south had been conquered by the Matetwa Emperor Phunga kaMbuyazi in 1858-60; Sofala in the centre had been claimed by Scandinavian freebooters out of Johanneshavn in Madagascar; and Mauruca in the north remained tenuously autonomous under exilic Portuguese rule out of the Isle of Mozambique for some years, before effectively being purchased by the Italian government in 1874 for colonial bragging rights alone.
# 221

(Incidentally, I would have to suppose that actual control on these African lands by such relatively minor European powers is quite theoretical/thin on the ground in reality).

Not sure about that.
Italy and the Nordic Empire are European middle powers who have had decades to expand the colonial administrations they had gotten from the Portuguese.

Kinda weird that Silesia, which is even more ethnically German than Bohemia, is in the name of the new country which was announced to us by words "slovanská vzájemnost" (Slavic unity).

In a way, it does make sense. Silesia is the bridge of the Czechs to other Slavic countries, to Slavic unity.
 
I started reading LTTW from the beginning a few days ago. It's fantastic. I've read up through part 48 so far. I love the foreshadowing to the things that happen later in the series.
 
Well, as of a few weeks ago, we're finally, FINALLY starting to see just what Societism is actually like besides "really bad u guise", so you picked a great time to start reading. You will never know the pain of catching up and yet still knowing nothing about the defining ideology of this TL. I envy you. Enjoy the read!
 
Is Buenos Aires being the first place to be taken over by the societists a reference to how it was the first site of Tlon's entry into the world in Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius?
 
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