Mac Arthur is a dick, period...but damn that he's nothing compared to Pelley, Mosley or the other over the top dictators
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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The problem is, that Reed/Long are just 2-3 month in offiice when the coup happens and didn´t do enough wrong to justify a coup. And obviously are 3/4 of the country against McA.
Georgia also doesn’t have a focus tree yet, so the country is (at best) just a minor rump state meant to be conquered by Russia players once they set their eyes on the Caucasus.
Do they not even have the DH stuff ported forwards?
I mean Georgia in KRDH can go on a conquering spree and become Transcaucasia, fall and become a democratic republic, constitutional or absolute monarchy and all this fun crazy stuff in the unstable Caucus states and region due to the various pressures from every direction.
If Pelley win, he turn USA into a horrific racist theocracy, right? And Long is purged too.
Man, I really want to see what happens if every madman win. And what they are willing to do to win. The wiki seems too short.
Man, I really want to see what happens if every madman win. And what they are willing to do to win. The wiki seems too short.
Damn, really? I’ve only played the HOI4 version of KR, and there’s hardly any content for Georgia.
Georgia in DH is probably on of the funniest nations, you should try it.
How accurate is this summary? I wanna try to define some characters to try to see who are the morally worst leaders of the KR world:
Ok, let's put the situation easy. The Great Depression is even worse and both Right and Left are angry with the status quo. The Left becomes syndicalist (As socialism died in the Russian civil war) and eventually...someone will do a coup (in most cases, the war CAN be avoided, but is REALLY hard).
America is divided on three factions, the original democratic goverment (who can be turned into a millitar dictatorship if Mac Arthur goes full dick), The Combined Syndicates of America and the The American Union State, of which the America First Party forms a big part.
And well, Willain Dudley Pellew is its leader and he's...awful, leading the National Populist (basically fascists by other name, is more complex, but that's the TLDR for them) faction of the America First Union Party. He is known for his support of racialism and Christian fundamentalism and while he works with the more tolerant Huey Long, they both hate each other and only work together due to a mutual hate towards Leftism.
Now, if his faction win the war...that is where the shit begins.
If Pelley wins, he makes the KKK an active part of the new government, turns Christianity into the state religion and purges any non-believers, creates forced labor camps for anyone who opposes the regime (branded as syndicalists), including any non-whites, creating something that can just be described as the American Apartheid. He is also a rabbid anti-vaxxed, whose fanatism ends up causing the biggest polio outbreak in America.
His victory is the absolute worst outcome to a USA campaign. If the AUS wins, Pellew, George Van Horn Moseley (who can be described as a lighter and softer version of Pelley) and Long will purge each other. With a Long victory neuterizing Pelley for good.
He might restore democracy sometimes...and he will made it a "White only" stuff, there is no love for democracy here, just racism. Pellew is a monster with nothing redeemable about him
Accurate summary of the guy?
Ok, let's put the situation easy. The Great Depression is even worse and both Right and Left are angry with the status quo. The Left becomes syndicalist (As socialism died in the Russian civil war) and eventually...someone will do a coup (in most cases, the war CAN be avoided, but is REALLY hard).
America is divided on three factions, the original democratic goverment (who can be turned into a millitar dictatorship if Mac Arthur goes full dick), The Combined Syndicates of America and the The American Union State, of which the America First Party forms a big part.
And well, Willain Dudley Pellew is its leader and he's...awful, leading the National Populist (basically fascists by other name, is more complex, but that's the TLDR for them) faction of the America First Union Party. He is known for his support of racialism and Christian fundamentalism and while he works with the more tolerant Huey Long, they both hate each other and only work together due to a mutual hate towards Leftism.
Now, if his faction win the war...that is where the shit begins.
If Pelley wins, he makes the KKK an active part of the new government, turns Christianity into the state religion and purges any non-believers, creates forced labor camps for anyone who opposes the regime (branded as syndicalists), including any non-whites, creating something that can just be described as the American Apartheid. He is also a rabbid anti-vaxxed, whose fanatism ends up causing the biggest polio outbreak in America.
His victory is the absolute worst outcome to a USA campaign. If the AUS wins, Pellew, George Van Horn Moseley (who can be described as a lighter and softer version of Pelley) and Long will purge each other. With a Long victory neuterizing Pelley for good.
He might restore democracy sometimes...and he will made it a "White only" stuff, there is no love for democracy here, just racism. Pellew is a monster with nothing redeemable about him
Accurate summary of the guy?
Nope.
Basically its like this.
Great depression came and went and America suffered for it, with the left leaning Socialist party (Which is a mixed alliance of Syndicalists, Anarchists and Vanguardists) gaining ground, and in response Huey Long formed his own brand of Anti-corporate populism on the right side of the spectrum, the "America first" movement which got really popular in the south while the Socialists gained ground in the north. The incumbent Hoover can't do much to change the situation, so when a SECOND great depression (Black monday) begins in Germany, the american economy all but collapses. In the midst of this, the Socialists and America first become even MORE popular.
A National Unity party (soc-libs) can form under Floyd Olson but most of the time the Republicans and Democrats can't unite. And so eventually the election happens with the following options.
If Reed is elected, a civil war breaks out from those worried he's becoming a tyrant, with Macarthur couping washington, the Pacific states seceding from Macarthur and Long just outright rebelling. If he wins the war America can become Syndicalist, Anarchist or one of two types of Totalist, one of which can be overthrown again by a leftist military coup.
If Long is elected, same thing but if he wins the war he either establishes his own right wing corrupt welfare state (for those he likes anyway), a business plot under Mosely can overthrow long and establish a coporatist hellhole if he accepted their support in the war, or Pelleys silver legion can do the same and become one of the most horrid factions in the game.
If Olson or the Republicans, or Democrats are elected, Macarthur will not coup even if a civil war breaks out, meaning the Pacific states do not secede. But Olson alone can prevent the civil war if he made the right choices. (Negotiating with reed and killing Long)
The Pacific states are a democratic revolt against Macarthur, and if they win will establish a multi-party democracy.
If Macarthur wins he can restore democracy, or establish a military state with a democratic facade.
Hawaii always revolts, but can go monarchist, republic or syndicalist.
Also New England can be established as a Canadian puppet.
I was summarizing Pelley's "character arc", not the entire American Civil War. I'm oddly fascinated for how damn sick is his regime.
...but THANKS YOU for this summary. It's pretty damn nice.
I've seen many discussion of the 2d American Civil War and...damn that they get personal.
...but THANKS YOU for this summary. It's pretty damn nice.
I've seen many discussion of the 2d American Civil War and...damn that they get personal.
Technically, the American economy in '36 is dead. The Great Depression has been going on for a decade by this point and has seen at best only tepid recovery. It's gotten so bad that the Socialists nearly won the Presidency in '32, but Hoover won with a majority of state delegations in the House despite coming in last in the EC AND popular vote AND not even having the most Representatives vote for him (think the "corrupt bargain" that elected JQA that one time but exponentially worse for the country). Hoover's done fuck all to help, is hated by literally everybody including his own party who refuses to nominate him again even though he's sitting president, and there are Red militias and Huey's Minutemen clashing in the streets.
Hundreds of thousands if not millions of children have been abandoned. Millions of people are starving. Millions have no work. Infrastructure is decaying across the nation, and political tensions are insanely high.
It's so much worse than OTL it's hard to quantify just how bad America's gotten.
Hundreds of thousands if not millions of children have been abandoned. Millions of people are starving. Millions have no work. Infrastructure is decaying across the nation, and political tensions are insanely high.
It's so much worse than OTL it's hard to quantify just how bad America's gotten.
Imagine Nazi Germany but also the Confederacy and the KKK. And they don't believe in vaccines.
It's a horrible, decaying apartheid state under a totalitarian regime that deals with constant dissent by shipping anybody who so much as looks at the mandatory pictures of the Great Leader the wrong way to a concentration camp. Diseases are rampant, the population is starving and decrepit under constant rationing, and racist propaganda constantly blares from the tinny state-mandated loudspeakers on every street corner.
I have to say, I do think KR could benefit from taking a page from TNO's book and making Pelley's path a lose button. Realistically Pelley's America would never recover from the Civil War; it would die a slow, painful death under the weight of its own policies.
Honestly imagine if there was a Third American Civil War, this time between Longists (Lead by Earl Long), The War Powers Committee (Lead by George Van Horne Moseley) and the Silver Legion Government. Which being said the Longists want to avenge Huey Long and bring revive his Every Man A King and Share-The-Wealth policies, while the War Powers Committee wish to restart the Business Plot since the Economy isnt working and businesses are failing under Pelley.
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Is amazing that everything come from a HOI mod.
So, what about the other "Oh my God what the heck???" dictators? Who are the most selfish ones with no redeeming traits?
So, what about the other "Oh my God what the heck???" dictators? Who are the most selfish ones with no redeeming traits?
Fonte. Possibly the only true "this causes you to lose" path in Hoi4 at the moment. The man is a bandit king masquerading as a Totalist (most of whom... do actually want to change things).
Codreanu. He hangs jews from meathooks. Also hes a totalitarian racist bastard.
The Australasian guard. A bunch of jackasses who want Australasia to be british, white and corporate in that order.
There so many nations that I wanna know but I'm awful at playing the game. Fonte and Codreanu, anyone can give me a summary of them? Or Ungern-Sternberg and Boris Savinkov, who seems to be the ultimate long term dangers overall.
...Seriously, I need some lore index, I like this worldbuilding for the most part.
...Seriously, I need some lore index, I like this worldbuilding for the most part.
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Fonte turns Argentina into a totalitarian bandit state with forced labor for all except Fonte and his bet buddies, and his economic policy is "everybody is forced to work and if we need capital we just raid all the neighbors for slaves and loot". Fonte OTL was so insane and evil that his own comrades turned him over to the right-wing government.
Codreneau is a psychopathic lunatic and rabid antisemite whose main differences from Hitler are that he's less organized about his pogroms and has less infrastructure to work with.
Ungern Khan is insane but his lack of economic base inevitably fucks him over when Russia looks his way.
Boris Savinkov is a revanchist fascist who typically bushwhacks the Germans in the middle of the Second Weltkrieg, and is typically considered to be the KR analogue to Hitler, sort of. (his intervention is typically more similar to Pearl Harbor, in some ways) Savinkov is often viewed by the fandom as the game's final boss.
Georges Valois in France is a psychopathic Commie Nazi whose base is the anti-Dreyfussard remnants (hardcore antisemites and fascist sympathizers) and wants to turn the Commune of France into a totalitarian, Nazi-with-a-red-coat-of-paint regime while killing anybody who disagrees with him.
Hermann von Göring is literally the most disgusting corrupt scumbag in the German Empire, as in even by corrupt colonialist standards he's exceptionally awful. The only people he can really hurt are the unfortunate local Africans, though.
Oswald Mosley wants to be Big Brother and can do some seriously bad shit as Grand Protector of Britain.