WI Franco allowed Nazi troops to march to Gibraltar

This is another extract from Grand Strategy, Volume 2 (Pages 430 to 434) and covers the period from the end of the Battle of Britain to the start of Operation Barbarossa.
There was also the Spanish question: the continued non-belligerency of Spain became more likely with every Axis disappointment, but it could not be taken for Granted. General Franco replaced Señor Beighbeder as Foreign Minister by the Falangist Serrano Suñer on October 17, and at his meeting with Hitler at Hendaye on the 23rd gave a vague assurance of Span's eventual entry into the war. On November 4 the Spaniards, in disregard of British rights, assumed administrative control of the international zone of Tangier; on December 1 they incorporated Tangier into the Spanish Zone of Morocco and dismissed British officials. However, they went no further. Our possession of Gibraltar was a thorn in Franco's side, but Spanish war-weariness and economic weaknesses were decisive.

Hitler, however, as we have seen, was determined at the beginning of November to occupy Gibraltar at the first opportunity, and in his directive of the 12th he outlined a scheme for driving the British from the Western Mediterranean. For this purpose it was necessary to take Gibraltar and close the Straits, and to prevent the British from obtaining a foothold anywhere else in the Iberian peninsular and the islands in the Atlantic.

Operation "Felix" in its original form envisaged action by all three Services. The Army units must be strong enough to capture the Rock from the land side even without Spanish assistance; one corps was the force assigned. A smaller force would stand ready to help the Spaniards repel a British landing elsewhere, and a third, motorised, force would follow in order to occupy Portugal if necessary. The Air Force would begin by attacking British warships at Gibraltar and would consist largely of dive-bombers, while the Navy would supply submarines. Since the operation would increase the importance of the Canary and Cape Verde Islands, the German naval and air chiefs were to examine the problem of helping the Spaniards to defend the former and of occupying the latter, a Portuguese possession. The possible occupation of other Portuguese islands, Madeira and the Azores, was also to be studied and an early report demanded.

Hitler told Suñer, now Foreign Minister, shortly after this that the best time for the German soldiers to fight in Spain would be December and that two following months; in March and April they might be required for other tasks. But "Felix" was never put to the proof. Hitler countermanded the operation on December 11 on the ground that the required political condition did not obtain, and confirmed his decision on January 10. Any desire Franco may have cherished to join his fellow-dictators in arms was quenched by the German refusal to grant his terms and by the economic aid of Britain and the United States; the failure of the Axis in September over England and in North Africa many well have convinced him that the war would be prolonged and that he could bide his time. Nevertheless the possibility of a German thrust against Gibraltar or the Atlantic islands long caused anxiety to the British high command and valuable troops and ships were held ready to parry it.

The Chiefs of Staff considered in October and November the requirements of the fortress for sustaining a long siege and approved the estimate of the Governor (Lieutenant-General Sir Clive Liddell) that supplies for six months should be held. Discussions took place with him in London in January; it was clearly understood that in the event of a land attack the use of the naval base would have to be given up. The Governor also pointed out the inadequacy of Gibraltar as a base for contraband control.

The need for an alternative to Gibraltar was always in the British Government's mind, and forces were kept in being for the occupation of some of the Atlantic islands should the Germans invade the Iberian peninsula with or without the consent of their Governments. The forces had been re-constituted after the Dakar expedition, and various projects, with a bewildering series of code names, were discussed at all levels right through the winter and spring. There was of course the danger of the Germans again forestalling us as in Norway, and at the end of November it seemed that this danger might be imminent. The Defence Committee, however, stood by the Government's earlier decision (of 22 July) that we should not take the first step.

Staff papers of this period illustrate the extreme complexity of the practcal implications of such amphibious projects; apart from that of finding troops suitably trained and equipped, they involved difficult problems of logistics, such as the time required to load and unload ships of different kinds in different ports and the interference so caused with other military movements and with hardly less important commercial sailings. It is perhaps as well the General Weygand did not accept our offer to despatch six divisions to North Africa at this time.

Addressing the Chiefs of Staff early in January 1941 on the subject of future strategy, the Prime Minister said that he regarded a German invasion of Spain in order to force a way through Gibraltar unlikely. Attempted against the will of the Spanish Government, especially in winter, it would be a most dangerous and questionable enterprise. With the permission of the Spanish Government it would of course be a short and easy matter for the Germans to gain control of Lisbon and of the Algeciras and Cetua batteries, together with the airfields desired. But it was becoming increasingly unlikely that the Spanish Government would give the passage, and it was most improbable that they would try to force their way through before April. If matters hung fire in Spain until the spring, it was possible that Vichy might by then have been provoked by the Germans to undertake or allow the resumption of war in North Africa, in which case our whole situation in the Mediterranean would be transformed in our favour. From every point of view the delay was helpful to us, and we must be careful not to precipitate matters in Spain. Since the expeditions against the Atlantic islands could not be contemplated unless or until Spain offered passage to the Germans or Germany began to force one, it would seem that they need no longer be kept ready at 48 hours' notice.

This settled the matter for the present, but the reversal of fortune in the Near East in the spring revived our apprehensions. Towards the end of April the Chiefs of Staff presented a report expressing the opinion that German's position was now so strong that within a few weeks she could bring irresistible pressure on Spain and deprive us of the use of Gibraltar. It had always been recognised, they said, that the only substitute for Gibraltar as a base for big ships was the Canary Islands, but not until recently had we available of the assault craft for capturing them and the fighters for defending them. They recommended that a force should be assembled at once for this operation (code name "Puma") in addition to those prepared for the Cape Verde and Azores groups. The proposal was approved at a meeting at which the Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary were present, but the decision to launch the expeditions was to remain with the Government. Discussions about "Puma" were in fact still continuing in July.

Some embarrassment was caused in London by the fact that early in March a Portuguese staff mission had visited England to discuss how Portugal could best resist a German invasion through Spain and what help her ancient ally could provide. The Portuguese believed that the Spaniards would offer but slight opposition, and they were disappointed to find how little we could do for the defence of the Portuguese mainland. Indeed, when the matter was under consideration at the end of May the Defence Committee took the view that their Government's best policy, in the event of invasion, would be to abandon Portugal for the Azores. For this we could offer naval co-operation and a certain amount of anti-aircraft and other equipment. Dr. Salazar had been unwilling to allow the presence of British technicians in the Azores. In the year 1807, in not dissimilar circumstances, a Portuguese Government had sailed from Lisbon with the assistance of the Royal Navy for a refuge overseas; but Dr. Salazar had no wish, one may suppose, to provoke another Peninsular War. And indeed it was no part of our policy to give the Germans an excuse for a descent on the Atlantic islands.

Possession of the Azores bring a European Power a thousand miles nearer to America, and the United States could not fail to be interested in their future. The Prime Minister kept the President informed of what we had in mind and assured him that co-operation of any sort would be welcome. Mr. Roosevelt had at the end of March, in response to a British suggestion, proposed the visit of an American squadron to Portuguese waters, and in May he did in fact order plans to be drawn up for the occupation of the Azores by United States forces. But the Portuguese Government objected even tot he former proposal, and nothing come of either project, so that in this matter American help was of no immediate advantage to us.

Hitler had earlier, in November, ordered his staff to study the possibilities of occupying the Atlantic islands; but Admiral Raeder reported that the occupation and defence of the Cape Verdes and Canaries would hardly be possible while the British had command of the sea, and no serious plans were made. We have seen too that preparations for Operation "Felix" for the capture of Gibraltar were called off on January 10: Hitler told his staff that there was, for the time being, no prospect of Spain becoming Germany's ally. But the idea of an attack on Gibraltar with Spanish help was never given up; even after the invasion of Russia had become the main concern the German staff contemplated launching one in the course of the summer, possibly before operations against Russia had ended. Early in May Hitler thought it possible that the British might forestall him in Spain, and plan ("Isabella") was produced for the expulsion of the British force and the occupation of the chief Spanish ports.

Sir Samuel Hoare, our Ambassador in Madrid, laid great stress on the way in which American moral support could help us in Spain. He appreciated the visit of Colonel Donvoan, the President's emissary in Madrid and Lisbon in February 1941, at a time when German propaganda was particularly active. Our Ambassador expected soon after this that the crisis over the German demands would occur in tow or three months; but on May 8 the Foreign Office were informed on good authority that as long as we held the Suez Canal Franco would be able to resist German requests for the through passage to Gibraltar.
 
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Suppose Operation Felix happened, either because Franco was more willing to join the war or because Canaris wasn't working against the Nazis.

Could this have led to the Axis taking Gibraltar? If they did, how would that have hurt the British and Allied war effort?
If Operation Felix had been, "put to the proof" in January 1941 and been successful, would it have deterred the Yugoslav coup of 27th March 1941?
 
If Spain protests and doesn't declare war on the the British, but still does not oppose the Germans, citing their inability to resist, the UK might not have a clear reason to really extend the blockade in 1940. Nor would they really want to have yet another enemy in Spain especially when Portugal could be easily overrun and Britain would be in no place to do anything about it, plus at the time I don't think the Spanish were helping the Germans like they were later, so the Brits would have reason to try and keep the Spaniards from jumping in the war fully and extending Uboat and Luftwaffe bases into the Iberian peninsula all the way to Portugal and West Africa. Furthermore the Brits in 1940-early 1941 don't really have the room to spare an invasion/occupation force for the Canaries and/or the Azores in a timely fashion and would have a huge set of problems to deal with by having Gibraltar isolated and soon taken with the Mediterranean then cut off to the Royal Navy (trying to move capital ships around Africa the long way would be a bit of a problem). Losing Gibraltar and soon Malta thereafter would create a fair bit of problems for the British, militarily and politically. The North African campaign in 1941 would be drastically altered as would probably the Greek campaign and Crete. Without Malta being able to be turned into the Rommel supply strangling base it was by late 1941 IOTL then it is hard seeing Operation Crusader working, given how close run that was IOTL. It would be tough situation for the British to deal with especially if Hitler then doesn't invade the USSR.

The Hague conventions are pretty clear, if a neutral nation cannot or will not defend it's borders then combatants no longer have to abide by that country's neutrality. The UK and Allies could conduct pretty much any operation they like.
 
Franco was not a Idiot, he knew what happen if he let Operation Felix happened.

The British would take Canary Islands
and in 1943 would Americans landing on Spain beaches, unleashing General Patton...
After the WW2 Britain get Gibraltar plus additional territories (Canary Islands ?)
Franco if he survived is in Nuremberg for Trail
While Spain become a Democratic Republic
 
If Franco assisted / allied with the Axis what he hoped to gain would largely be at the expense of Vichy France.
The French will realize this immediately.

French leadership at the time considered the Vichy state the best of several poor options for the country. If Spain is going to get enriched at French expense the next best alternative is sailing as much of the fleet as possible and fighting from the colonies.

The British resources that were tied up securing French colonies at the time suddenly get sent to Egypt and Morocco. Spanish Morocco falls, supplies to Libya get choked off from airfields and MTBs in Algeria and Tunisia. French ships and colonial bases push the U-Boat war in the Allies favor quicker.
 
I think it's all about if Hitler adopts a "Mediterranean" strategy. Germany could have toppled Vichy, reconsidered a 1941 Sealion, demanded access to Gibraltar from Spain, captured Malta, caused a lot of trouble in North Africa, etc etc, but it couldn't quite do all those things and invade Russia at the same time. They would have to cancel Operation Barbarossa (not exactly an entirely bad thing). I think they would have been reasonably successful if they had attempted such a campaign but it's still hard to imagine it landing a truly knock-out blow to the British before the Soviets or Americans get involved.
 
A minor point on logistics here: In the 1940s the Spanish railways used a gauge of 5ft 5 inches (1668mm). Germany and France used the standard gauge of 4ft 8 and a half (1435mm). This means that all the materials delivered between Spain and the rest of Europe would need to be unloaded and reloaded at the borders.
You couldn't simply send a train of German wagons all the way to Madrid, Murcia or Malaga without rebuilding the network, a time consuming job. This prevents any German railway guns from trundling down to Gibraltar and opening fire at will.

From Wikipedia: The earliest working example of the axle changing system at the French-Spain border in 1948 had the axles being changed at the rate of 8 waggons or 32 axles per hour.

But as you say, the need to send those German or French or Polish wagons down to the border and then the wait for them to be unloaded and returned will have a serious knock-on effect on the economy and overall war effort.
It is not clear whether there were enough railway vehicles in Spain to cope with this sudden expansion.

The break of gauge is a major concern for logistics, but wouldn't provide a major delay for moving railroad guns. Swtiching trucks at teh border would probably be a matter of a day or two, I'd guess. Wreck trains put new trucks on damaged cars in the field. IIRC, Spainish loading gauge is also wider than French/German, so the trains would fit, pulled by a Spanish locomotive.

Ammo, food, etc would all need to be transhipped, though; this is NOT a minor job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canfranc_International_railway_station
 

thaddeus

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This is another extract from Grand Strategy, Volume 2 (Pages 430 to 434) and covers the period from the end of the Battle of Britain to the start of Operation Barbarossa.

The need for an alternative to Gibraltar was always in the British Government's mind, and forces were kept in being for the occupation of some of the Atlantic islands should the Germans invade the Iberian peninsula with or without the consent of their Governments. The forces had been re-constituted after the Dakar expedition, and various projects, with a bewildering series of ode names, were discussed at all levels right through the winter and spring. There was of course the danger of the Germans again forestalling us as in Norway, and at the end of November it seemed that this danger might be imminent. The Defence Committee, however, stood by the Government's earlier decision (of 22 July) that we should not take the first step.

Staff papers of this period illustrate the extreme complexity of the practcal implications of such amphibious projects; apart from that of finding troops suitably trained and equipped, they involved difficult problems of logistics, such as the time required to load and unload ships of different kinds in different ports and the interference so caused with other military movements and with hardly less important commercial sailings. It is perhaps as well the General Weygand did not accept our offer to despatch six divisions to North Africa at this time.

that is an interesting matter of fact aside, dispatch of six divisions to Morocco (?) after the unsuccessful Dakar operation?
 

Lusitania

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The break of gauge is a major concern for logistics, but wouldn't provide a major delay for moving railroad guns. Swtiching trucks at teh border would probably be a matter of a day or two, I'd guess. Wreck trains put new trucks on damaged cars in the field. IIRC, Spainish loading gauge is also wider than French/German, so the trains would fit, pulled by a Spanish locomotive.

Ammo, food, etc would all need to be transhipped, though; this is NOT a minor job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canfranc_International_railway_station
Correct that it not stop but would delay. Plus when news got out of the German offensive be sitting ducks for British bombers.

On the side of logistics that sort of operation in winter of 1940-1941 would of weakened German buildup to Invasion of Soviets.

The Nazi only had finite resources including rail stick, locomotives and in the case of using Spain rail and other materials to fix the railway they intended to use.
 
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thaddeus

Donor
that is an interesting matter of fact aside, dispatch of six divisions to Morocco (?) after the unsuccessful Dakar operation?

I thought you were going to point out that I had written "ode names" instead of "code names"

no LOL, was struck by the gamble such an operation would be circa Nov. 1940 (if my understanding of the time frame is correct), guess high risk-reward if French North Africa could be flipped?
 
One bit of 20/20 hindsight.
The Germans didn’t go into Barbarossa thinking they would knock the Soviets back as hard and capture units like they did.
We know that The Axis could have most likely secured the Med and delayed attacking Stalin for a year.
Germany feared the Soviets rolling across the rest of Poland and being at their back door if they didn’t knock them out first.
 
It is worth noting that prior to PH the USA had contingency plans for the occupation of the Azores for sure and potentially other Atlantic Islands should there be a risk of them becoming outposts for the Nazis. Furthermore between the USN and economic pressure on Latin American countries, as well as such supplies Spain bought from the USA the USA can cause a great deal of difficulty for Spain should they allow/join an attack of Gibraltar.

In terms of logistics for such an attack, look at the difficulties the Germans had in Russia with a limited rail system and the gauge change (which had more infrastructure for dealing with it than existed at Spanish/French or Spanish/Portuguese borders). Additionally during the early phases of Barbarossa the Russian rail system was in much better shape than the Spanish system which had been trashed by years of war. Given the lack of specialized units in the Wehrmacht for railway repair/reconstruction and operations that was an issue in Barbarossa, this would also exist in Felix. Lastly even after the Franco "victory" in the Civil War there were a lot of anti-Nationalist folks in the countryside with experience and some hidden arms. I would expect that rail infrastructure would be undergoing at least low level sabotage and on such a shaky system every bit of this will back up and eventually result in significant delays. These compound upon each other.

As far as railroad guns, changing the trucks on these is a very big deal. First off, these are not "standard" trucks like you have on freight or passenger cars, they are heavy duty and custom - you would need to manufacture new ones to fit the Spanish gauge. The guns/structures that go on these trucks are MUCH heavier than a loaded freight car, so cranes needed to lift them for the change need to be much heavier than what is usually used. Some railroad guns are built to be transported "as is", some of the others (like "Dora") were shipped disassembled, and then had special tracks built and the guns reassembled on those specialized tracks. In either case getting these heavy fortress busting guns to Gibraltar is going to be a complex and time consuming task, and they will be vulnerable on the journey. I also wonder if they could be set up in locations that were secure from counter battery fire from relatively heavy guns from Gibraltar - yes they outrange those guns, but where the RR guns need to be placed is dependent on what they are shooting at - simply firing away from maximum range won't work.
 
This would have a huge impact on German policy perhaps leading to an earlier DAK, no invasion of Greece and mid 1940 attack on Malta by Germany. I see the Axis going hard with a control the Mediterranean strategy for 1940-1941. Possibly the invasion of the Soviet Union gets put off to ‘42 depending on how things go.

I was thinking along the same lines. Would integrating Spain into the war effort cause the German leadership to reconsider the invasion of the Soviet Union.
 
I think you are suggesting that Germany has invaded Spain and therefore has to protect Spain from the Spanish.

@Ian_W's post that I was replying to was Post No. 2, which was in reply to the OP, which said...
Suppose Operation Felix happened, either because Franco was more willing to join the war or because Canaris wasn't working against the Nazis.

Could this have led to the Axis taking Gibraltar? If they did, how would that have hurt the British and Allied war effort?
Therefore at this stage in the thread Spain was still to be an ally of Germany, not an country that Germany occupied.
 
I think you are suggesting that Germany has invaded Spain and therefore has to protect Spain from the Spanish.

@Ian_W's post that I was replying to was Post No. 2, which was in reply to the OP, which said...
Therefore at this stage in the thread Spain was still to be an ally of Germany, not an country that Germany occupied.

No matter Spain allied to Germany or not, once German forces operated in Spain and given the poor equipment situation of the Spanish Army, the Germans would need to garrison Spain, just like what they did in Italy, to prevent or stop Allied landings in Spain.
 
I understand the food and oil. What I don't understand is why Germany has to find 10 divisions to garrison Spain.

I'd say 10 is actually a low number. Historically the entire Iberian peninsula always had "problems" with acepting foreign rulers. Regardless of whatever any central governement says or orders, large scale guerrilla movements pop up. Ask the romans, the arabs, the napoleonic french (afaik, Napolean spent around 200 thousand troops here)...

And don't forget Spain just came out of the civil war. There were still quite a few anti-fascist fighters hiding around, who I'd bet would be more than happy to take up whatever arms and equipment the british and US would be able to smuggle in. And smuggle they would. The small german navy would not be able to intercept much. The Pyrenees at the very least would become a nightmare of hit and run raids on the german logistics.

And then you'd get UK/US air raids along the north and west (Portugal) coasts, to hunt down subs and their ports. For starters

So, to the ground troops, add a few hundred fighters for air defense, light bombers and recon to hunt the guerrillas, air transports, radar instalations and the massive logistics to deal with this...
 
This paragraph straddles pages 124 and 1925 in the Hypwerwar transcript of The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume I. More specifically it's the fourth paragraph of Chapter VII - The French collapse.

I posted this earlier in the thread.

Not to mention the over 30 miles of tunnels, for a comparison that's THREE times that of Iwo Jima, hundreds of feet under The Rock.
Even if Schwerer Gustav could have been deployed over the Spanish rail network, would even its ordnance have been effective?
 
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