Map Thread XVII

[Frosty]

Hey folks, I've got a WIP of a totally original Pacific Northwest country and I'm looking for some feedback on how I might proceed.

I am comfortable with most of the borders, but "Columbia" seems like a space-filler to me, and I'm not satisfied with it. I'm not terribly confident with the way I've apportioned "Oregon" and "Klamath" either (nor the name of the latter, for that matter), as I'm not very familiar with those areas. Any insight is appreciated.

 

[XFE]

^ So the Tong are a genuine ethnic group, but the Zhuang aren't? Just trying to wrap my head around this.

Essentially, yes.

 

[Isaac Beach]

Jesus, 8 entries in this week's MotF! And such high quality entries. Signal boosting this because all eight of the contestants have really put in a lot of work and I think a large number of votes ought to reflect that. So go and vote!

(On a side note, I'm glad I didn't end up entering as there's no way I could compete )

 

[Imperator Frank]

65 million years before the beginning of history in Tellurus, the world was a very different, but almost recognizable (from space ) place.
The Supercontinent of Pangea is long gone, and it's last few fragments have broken into the continents we recognize today.
The future Laharqan Ocean is opening between Avarda and Capricornia, and The Ashufe Ocean between Rhodin and Ozara.
Inversely, the Aephyr ocean is being subducted out of existence as the Fornesta-Colum subcontinent and Talamor move towards each other. The Albalon Ocean share a similar fate as Rhodin moves northwards.
Several island arcs are forming in the back-arc basins near rifting landmasses, such as Avarda-Tapron and the Laethanian Peninsula and Natecuya.
Several large microcontinents are also on a collision course with Equatoria.
Epicontinental seas also persisted in Ozara and Capricornia, and one in Talamor dried up.
The defining characteristic of this time period, however, is the large impact crater in southern Ozara, the result of a bolide collision with Tellurus. This event coincides with, but may not be the sole cause for, a mass extinction of life that occurred at this time. Non-avian dinosaurs were almost completely wiped out along with most other animals larger than 1 meter. It would take the ecosystem millions of years to recover, but paved the way for mammals and later humans to rise.

 

[Bob Hope]

Hi Clandango;

Navarre was ceded by Henry of Navarre in exchange for Spanish Habsburg support for a Huguenot state.

The darker colour in France represents the Royal Lands of the descendants of Charles XI. The closer to the royal colour, the greater the allegiance to the King.

Brittany, Burgundy and Provence all have borders with the Royal Lands as they are still not considered part of France. There are internal borders within the lighter colours as the colours themselves do not represent any relationship with other than the Crown.

Spain considers Andorra [and some areas of North Africa] to be part of Spain but they are more like vassals.

Both the Bohemian and Austrian Habsburg lines claim the Hungarian throne, Austria as "Royal Hungary" after the treaty with the Ottomans, Bohemia as "descendants" of Louis II. Yet another cause of conflict.

North Africa is in the grip of the Reconquista so, as in Spain, Tunisian Muslims are being "converted".

The Spanish support the Knights of St. John but Venice and Genoa have more of a trading relationship with the Ottomans, one of the reasons Venice has been able to hold on to Dalmatia. Portugal is undercutting them.

England has a good trading relationship with the Burgundian branch of the Habsburgs [their major customer for wool] and a trading rivalry with the Netherlands [which is split politically between those who want a pure Republic and those who want a Stadtholder]. The Armada is still too recent for friendly relations between Spain and England but Spain is more concerned with the infighting within the four branched of the Habsburg family and with North Africa.

This map shows the three main Kingdoms of England only.

Must just go and cool my brain off now.

 

[Bob Hope]

The Religious-Dynastic Wars
Phase 1 1611-1615

France
France was supportive of the Austrian Habsburgs purely as a means to undermine the Burgundian branch who held large swathes of France and Brittany.
During this period Francis III annexed to the Crown lands of his Bourbon family where the Lord had died without heir, a surprising number, leading to the suspicion that many of the deaths were not entirely natural.

Henry, King of Aquitaine, led a debauched life, his scandals alienating him from the populace and weakening the Huguenot cause abroad.
Increasingly he depended upon the support of James I of England and Phillip III of Spain.
Polar opposites and enemies, Henry was supreme at balancing their needs and demands.

Burgundy & Bohemia/ Austria & Spain/ The H.R.E.
Adolph's accession to the Bohemian throne led to the combining of the lands as the Kingdom of Burgundy.
War broke out over the Imperial title and the disposition of Julich-Berg after the death of it's Duke.
As Matthias had the support of the Pope, Church Lands were occupied by Adolph's troops to secure the west bank of the Lower Rhine.
Protestant Brandenburg and the Saxonys, Adolph's natural allies, also occupied lands hostile to him as Emperor whilst Bavaria took the opportunity to try to expand north to support it's claim to Julich-Berg.

Spain joined Austria in early 1613, occupying the largely undefended Duchy of Brittany.
Austria advanced into Moravia but was outflanked and nearly lost Vienna.
Vienna fell in May 1614, after a six month siege, Austrian and Bavarian forces withdrew from Bohemia in some disorder allowing large areas of the border regions to fall.
Brandenburg occupied lands on the East bank of the Rhine from it's territories of Cleves and Mark and looked certain to do the same to other North German Church Lands. This prompted Denmark declaring for Adolph and seizing Bremen.

The loss of Vienna brought Austria and Matthias to the table in September 1614. In the Peace of Zurich, Burgundy gained the ancestral lands of the Habsburgs on the Upper Rhine, Julich-Berg and part of Royal Hungary.
In return for changing his support to Adolph as Emperor, and as compensation for Julich-Berg, Maximillian of Bavaria received the Upper and Lower Palatinate along with it's Electoral vote.

Both Brandenburg and Denmark gained parts of their conquests, Brandenburg also inherited Ansbach-Beyruth.
Spain signed the the Peace of Paris the following year in return for commercial concessions in Brussels and the Low Countries.

Matthias never surrendered the title of Emperor but his claim was left in abeyance.

The situation in 1615;

 

[Bob Hope]

 

[Beedok]

That seems like a lot of star forts?

 

[Iserlohn]

That seems like a lot of star forts?

You get a star fort, and YOU get a star fort, [...]

It's definitely a pretty map, though.

 

[Gwrtheyrn Annwn]

That seems like a lot of star forts?

You can never have too many star forts.

 

[Bob Hope]

That seems like a lot of star forts?

This is true, I wonder why?

 

[Beedok]

You can never have too many star forts.

The treasurer would like a word with you.

 

[Mumby]

Mechanical Brotherhood of Nations
- Mechanical Commonwealth of Britain and Ireland
- United Mechanical Associations of the Netherlands
- Mechanical Commonwealth of France

Holy Alliance
- Holy Roman Empire
- Kingdom of Spain
- Kingdom of Aragon
- Kingdom of Portugal
- Kingdom of France

This is a very pulpy idea, that the English Civil War takes a bit of different direction and rather than creating a weird theocratic, aristocratic mercantile republic they instead create Socialism Of The 17th Century. The name refers to a quote I dimly remember from when I studied the English Civil War at school, which referred to many Parliamentarians fear of the 'shaven headed mechanical orders' ie the emerging working class.

The newborn Mechanical Commonwealth of Great Britain and Ireland spreads the Revolution to the unstable France and Netherlands before being constrained by a rejuvenated Holy Alliance. Britain is flexing its colonial muscles, and with much of France and the Dutch on their side present a new and destabilising element in Early Modern Europe...

 

[AmericanAdam]

what did you do to Yakutia

very loosely based off of Siberian groups. i'd assume you're more seasoned on what Yakutia is like

 

[Nanwe]

So I've been working on a map for a world concept I created, which doesn't really have a true timeline-background to it. I'm just worldbuilding as I go. This is the part that I'm happiest with so far - everything outside the Balkans is still very much a work in progress.

Care to guess what the languages depicted are?

This is a really cool scenario. I think by now people have sorted out which languages are which, so I won't add to that, although I do wonder about the green stripe in OTL's Austria/Slovenia.

I'm really looking forward to see what you do in Western Europe, a map with more Romance languages is always an interesting scenario (for me anyway).

 

[Alexander North]

Alright, this'll be a quick one. The PoD is that the Kimberley Plan succeeds, while the Jewish settlements in the Holy Land ultimately prove unsuccessful. People seem to like this kind of parallelism stuff, so I'll just get all the analogues out of the way right now: the Jewish State of Western Australia is Israel, occupied North Australia is Palestine, Australia is Egypt, West Australia is Jordan, Tasmania is Lebanon, New Zealand is Sudan, North New Zealand is South Sudan, the west coast of New Zealand is Darfur, Indonesia is Saudi Arabia, Papua New Guinea is Yemen, West Papua is Oman, New Britain is Qatar, New Ireland is Bahrain, Timor is the UAE, Malaysia is Iraq, Brunei is Kuwait, Thailand is Iran, Cambodia is Syria, Vietnam is Libya, Laos is Pakistan, and the Philippines is Afghanistan. On a related note, Burma is Turkey. The scenario in these countries is pretty much the same as their analogues in OTL, the only major difference being that North Australia wants to return to Egypt instead of becoming its own independent state.

Things are doing about as well as you'd expect elsewhere, though the United States is a little less right-wing and a little more secular than OTL due to fighting both Islamic and Christian extremists in Oceania. Also, China and the USSR swapped, though the USSR is poorer than OTL's China. I might do a world map of this later if I feel like it.

 

[Skallagrim]

WIP for a Futuristic World.

Looks cool. I'd say it's a bit space-filling-empire-y looking, but I'm working on my own huture history scenario which is just as bad in that regard, as it turns out... I do wonder at the year. A vast African polity getting its act together on relatively short notice seems unlikely, and some major new unions or superstates have arisen (which won't happen overnight).

I like how Persia seems to have just decided "all your Kurds are belong to us". And that country to its west looks like Nassar got his wish of a big Arab Union after all, albeit long after his death. I'm, guessing things boiled over between India and Pakistan, judging by the irradiated zones? Or did expansionist China see a reason to nuke both into oblivion? Final observation: it's funny that even though everything around it has been absorbed into what I assume is a (North) American Union, Cuba is apparently still communist (judging by the colour) and staunchly holding out. (Nice as an idea, but is it plausible? with Fidel dead, I don't see Cuba staying red for more than another twenty years at most...)

 

[J. Westrate]

No ACW?

The events leading up to the 1910 map are as follows:
- 1848: Napoleon III fails in his coup, and is exiled to Corsica.
- 1848: German Confederation federalizes after Frederick William IV yields to the demands of his subjects.
- 1849: Following the Mexican American War, the United States annexes Baja California as a territory.
- 1854: Napoleon III unifies Italy, except for the Papal States.
- 1857: The United States creates the New Maryland colony in Liberia.
- 1860: The United States elects Stephen Douglas, who appeases southern landowners, avoiding the ACW
- 1862: The Taiping Rebellion expels Qing troops from their land, stabilizing the borders of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom.
- 1867: Canada federalizes.
- 1869: Meiji Restoration in Japan, resulting in the rapid modernization of Japan.
- 1869: Suez Canal finished.
- 1872: Russo-Swedish War, Sweden creates a puppet state in Finland.
- 1877: Japanese purchase of Alaska from the Russians.
- 1879: War of the Pacific, resulting in a Peru-Bolivian victory.
- 1880s: Scramble for Africa. Notice Swedish Gold Coast, Omani East Africa, and the British Congo.
- 1883: Peru and Bolivia unite.
- 1885: Abolition of slavery in the United States.
- 1889: Spanish-Japanese War results in the Philippines being ceded to Japan.
- 1893: Zhuang revolt in Yunnan, Taiping Heavenly Kingdom. Yunnan becomes an independent state, influenced by Britain.
- 1894: Britain annexes Formosa.
- 1896: Mozaffar ad-Din Shah Qajar converts to the Baha'i faith.
- 1898: United States annexes Dominica and Hispaniola.
- 1905: Britain annexes Tibet for the Raj.

 

[Metallist]

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Alright, this'll be a quick one. The PoD is that the Kimberley Plan succeeds, while the Jewish settlements in the Holy Land ultimately prove unsuccessful. People seem to like this kind of parallelism stuff, so I'll just get all the analogues out of the way right now: the Jewish State of Western Australia is Israel, occupied North Australia is Palestine, Australia is Egypt, West Australia is Jordan, Tasmania is Lebanon, New Zealand is Sudan, North New Zealand is South Sudan, the west coast of New Zealand is Darfur, Indonesia is Saudi Arabia, Papua New Guinea is Yemen, West Papua is Oman, New Britain is Qatar, New Ireland is Bahrain, Timor is the UAE, Malaysia is Iraq, Brunei is Kuwait, Thailand is Iran, Cambodia is Syria, Vietnam is Libya, Laos is Pakistan, and the Philippines is Afghanistan. On a related note, Burma is Turkey. The scenario in these countries is pretty much the same as their analogues in OTL, the only major difference being that North Australia wants to return to Egypt instead of becoming its own independent state.

Things are doing about as well as you'd expect elsewhere, though the United States is a little less right-wing and a little more secular than OTL due to fighting both Islamic and Christian extremists in Oceania. Also, China and the USSR swapped, though the USSR is poorer than OTL's China. I might do a world map of this later if I feel like it.

Wow, I like this idea! If you don't mind, I made a slightly more detailed map based on your original idea (the color scheme for a more analogy used TACOS)

 

[Historyman 14]

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Map of an alternate 1910.

The events leading up to the 1910 map are as follows:

A few things....

Who is leading France? The Bourbon?

The American Civil War was mostly ready to go. At most, Douglas might provide a delay of perhaps four years. Dred Scott has already happen, so has Bleeding Kansas. (And still was as of 1860). So we're likely see a war for Cuba (The Democratic platform included a call for the acquisition of Cuba.) general outrage in the North, and a Republican wave come 1864. And then Civil War.

How does Napoleon III, if he failed to take power in France units Italy? (And NOT take the Papal States? The Papal States was a aging relic from the Middle Ages. It days was always number.)

How is the Heavenly Kingdom still standing? There where an Christian version of ISIS with 19th century technology.

Southern China would have probably collapse as Hong would have destroyed the Confucianism and related institutions there, attempting to force his heretical Christianity on the people. (Which won't take very well at all as the Manchu won't like getting mass murder.) Hong and his successors probably wouldn't have any allies, and rule a much poorer southern China. Corrupted to the beyond. Super insane.

All and all, the Heavenly Kingdom would have been an totalitarian religious cult (AKA: Mao-communism 0.1) would have collapsed within a couple of years.

HOW did Swden beat Russia?

HOW is there such a powerful Ottoman Empire?

WHY did Russia sell Alaska to Japan?