Map Thread XV

[rexnerdorum]

SNIP

A very loose extrapolation of South and Central Florida in 2150 in a "current trends continue" scenario:

1) Sea level rises almost 10 meters

SNIP

Awesome map! I can see my house from here (and it's underwater)! I particularly like the new cities springing up, though I wonder how long they have until they, too, are under water.

Fortunately, "Current trends" (I see what you did there) indicate sea levels will be 1-2 meters higher in 2150, not 10m. 10 meters isn't expected within the next half-millennium, according to the UN IPCC AR5 (the global climate change consensus document, same people who won the Nobel Prize) (see page 1188).

 

[Divergent54]

Well, let's be honest -- no way you move 3M+ ppl out of South Florida without tanking the economy of the state by 2150.

But aside from that, the map is cool!!

It can if you take it gradually. You should note that sea level rise will be gradual in terms of human generations. It won't suddenly increase one metre in the span of a week. A generation or two should be enough to push northwards.

 

[fashbasher]

Well, let's be honest -- no way you move 3M+ ppl out of South Florida without tanking the economy of the state by 2150.

But aside from that, the map is cool!!

So apparently you aren't a Keynesian. The investment associated with a century-long project of migrating several major metro areas (SoFla, Naples, and Fort Myers) would generate a lot of construction jobs and economic activity, especially if it's privately funded, and there's lots of completely unproductive land north of Lake O that would suddenly become oceanfront. Although admittedly much of Florida's success comes from the hurricane problem moving northward.

 

[fashbasher]

Awesome map! I can see my house from here (and it's underwater)! I particularly like the new cities springing up, though I wonder how long they have until they, too, are under water.

Fortunately, "Current trends" (I see what you did there) indicate sea levels will be 1-2 meters higher in 2150, not 10m. 10 meters isn't expected within the next half-millennium, according to the UN IPCC AR5 (the global climate change consensus document, same people who won the Nobel Prize) (see page 1188).

This probably should go into ASB; I accelerated it because of rule of cool (and I love the idea of a new Everglades National Park on restored farmland, especially one that's an archipelago).

 

[rexnerdorum]

This probably should go into ASB; I accelerated it because of rule of cool (and I love the idea of a new Everglades National Park on restored farmland, especially one that's an archipelago).

It's a bit of an ASB scenario, but it is also a cool map, and the coolness of the map trumps anything else. Note, I am biased since I live in southern Florida.

 

[Osk]

It can if you take it gradually. You should note that sea level rise will be gradual in terms of human generations. It won't suddenly increase one metre in the span of a week. A generation or two should be enough to push northwards.

So apparently you aren't a Keynesian. The investment associated with a century-long project of migrating several major metro areas (SoFla, Naples, and Fort Myers) would generate a lot of construction jobs and economic activity, especially if it's privately funded, and there's lots of completely unproductive land north of Lake O that would suddenly become oceanfront. Although admittedly much of Florida's success comes from the hurricane problem moving northward.

I'm probably just being pessimistic. Being from the area, I just foresee a collapse. The housing market alone is ridiculous in the Miami Metro area, im talking about 3-4 bedroom homes that are "worth" half a million or more. And with Miami's residents already being like $25K below the national average in terms of salary, I can't foresee things going good in this scenario.

I get that there'll be hella construction jobs. I just don't know my neighbors en-masse (especially residents of Hialeah, Hialeah Gardens, etc.) will be able to afford this mass relocation without crippling them entirely.

Did I mention that just last week, Miami Beach's $500M flood-proof system failed. And Miami Beach is one of the richer communities. $500M of new construction... and $500M down the drain. Hialeah, itself the fifth largest city in the state (if im not mistaken) has taken up absolutely zero measures to combat future problems. No planning, no fund set up. But then again, only 8% of the city participated in local elections.

I think the planning fallacy is being attributed, personally.

Let alone that the sea level rise portrayed indicates no action to mitigate climate change was taken, in fact with the amount of flooding I'd say that this world failed at mitigating climate change at all.

So, I guess I formulated a position after all

 

[fashbasher]

It's a bit of an ASB scenario, but it is also a cool map, and the coolness of the map trumps anything else. Note, I am biased since I live in southern Florida.

He he, trumps. Considering that most of his stuff will be underwater.

 

[Divergent54]

I'm probably just being pessimistic. Being from the area, I just foresee a collapse. The housing market alone is ridiculous in the Miami Metro area, im talking about 3-4 bedroom homes that are "worth" half a million or more. And with Miami's residents already being like $25K below the national average in terms of salary, I can't foresee things going good in this scenario.

I get that there'll be hella construction jobs. I just don't know my neighbors en-masse (especially residents of Hialeah, Hialeah Gardens, etc.) will be able to afford this mass relocation without crippling them entirely.

Did I mention that just last week, Miami Beach's $500M flood-proof system failed. And Miami Beach is one of the richer communities. $500M of new construction... and $500M down the drain. Hialeah, itself the fifth largest city in the state (if im not mistaken) has taken up absolutely zero measures to combat future problems. No planning, no fund set up. But then again, only 8% of the city participated in local elections.

I think the planning fallacy is being attributed, personally.

Let alone that the sea level rise portrayed indicates no action to mitigate climate change was taken, in fact with the amount of flooding I'd say that this world failed at mitigating climate change at all.

So, I guess I formulated a position after all

The world would be more tropical in general with the amount of water induced into the hydrosphere system. The American southeast would more resemble the Amazon rainforest with more precipitation, more Category 6 hurricanes (or at least higher winds and damage), more humid, and more tropical. Florida would be induced into a very tropical rainforest-type climate as harsh as the OTL 2010s Amazon rainforest.

However, all these charges would be charged over the span of more than one hundred years. The shift in properties and assets moving north would be gradual and would be over the span of 100 years. It would be slow as one by one these rich communities gradually move northwards and inland and would span three generations of over 100 years.

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

A bit of a doodle on my part. The premise being that Stalin chose to establish a Romani homeland in East Prussia (where the British had proposed a Jewish homeland OTL) in an area that the Soviets were already in the process of kicking out the Germans and settling new inhabitants. Countries like Czechoslovakia that had OTL programs to forcibly settle Romani in certain neighborhoods to "educate them in socialism" got on board as well, and consequently the "Tsyganskiy Autonomous Oblast" ended up being much more successful than the Jewish Autonomous Oblast project that was abandoned after Stalin's death. When the USSR folded the Tsyganskiy Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic issued a unilateral declaration of independence. As- unlike Chechnya- the TASS did not share a land border with Russian Federation and had its independence immediately recognized by the United States and the West, Moscow was forced to accept their independence with bad grace.

Apologies for the terrible Romani- I couldn't even find a good online translator.

 

[Osk]

The world would be more tropical in general with the amount of water induced into the hydrosphere system. The American southeast would more resemble the Amazon rainforest with more precipitation, more Category 6 hurricanes (or at least higher winds and damage), more humid, and more tropical. Florida would be induced into a very tropical rainforest-type climate as harsh as the OTL 2010s Amazon rainforest.

However, all these charges would be charged over the span of more than one hundred years. The shift in properties and assets moving north would be gradual and would be over the span of 100 years. It would be slow as one by one these rich communities gradually move northwards and inland and would span three generations of over 100 years.

You're missing my point that the overwhelming majority of people in the Miami metropolitan area are not rich, but in fact are far worse off than the average American.

And I want to reiterate I enjoy the map! It's just thoroughly optimistic, particularly for such a scenario.

 

[Marcus Sergius]

This is the best idea I've ever heard

Strange Migrations?

That's pretty cool. My only criticism would be the use of fonts to denote different groups, and the strict borders between language groups (unless this map is showing 'nations' simultaneously to 'language groups'). Typically there'd be a lot of overlap.

Yeah, I just drew it up rather quickly. Next ones will be more overlapped and detailed. (Yes I plan to do a bunch of these)

 

[Kriegdämmerung]

A bit of a doodle on my part. The premise being that Stalin chose to establish a Romani homeland in East Prussia (where the British had proposed a Jewish homeland OTL) in an area that the Soviets were already in the process of kicking out the Germans and settling new inhabitants. Countries like Czechoslovakia that had OTL programs to forcibly settle Romani in certain neighborhoods to "educate them in socialism" got on board as well, and consequently the "Tsyganskiy Autonomous Oblast" ended up being much more successful than the Jewish Autonomous Oblast project that was abandoned after Stalin's death. When the USSR folded the Tsyganskiy Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic issued a unilateral declaration of independence. As- unlike Chechnya- the TASS did not share a land border with Russian Federation and had its independence immediately recognized by the United States and the West, Moscow was forced to accept their independence with bad grace.

Apologies for the terrible Romani- I couldn't even find a good online translator.

Interesting concept, but shouldn't that be "Lithuania" to the north of Romani-a?

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

Interesting concept, but shouldn't that be "Lithuania" to the north of Romani-a?

Gosh dangit. You're right.

 

[Jcw3]

Here's a WIP of a world I'm doing for Coascendancy, a fanfic which I do hope to get back to soon. Technically an adaptation of an established work, but so far from the spirit of the original that it might as well not be.

Americas, Europe, Middle East and Africa basically finished. The world has a POD in the 1920s, and the modern day is 2011.

The idea is that a shorter WW2-equivalent and lack of a real American build up as in OTL led to a stronger communist footing on the world stage, and while that largely quieted down after major economic collapses and reforms in the communist bloc throughout the 1990s, the world today is still filled with rather nasty dictatorships and civil wars. India, which is not finished or even started yet, is unifying, its independence TTL having been rather cluttered. The Soviet Union is recovering from its economic troubles of the past, which worries America and France, its two biggest geopolitical rivals.

Under the surface (literally) creatures called dronemakers, who live at the bottom of the earth, use their telekinetic and telepathic powers (they aren't sapient, maybe fish-level intelligence) to subvert the minds of intelligent life to bring them biomass. In one area, a dronemaker tries but fails to subvert three humans.

This is the state of the world when Emperor Joseph, the dimensional travelling mage who rules over around 1.9 billion people arrives, looking for a new source of personal power before he explores and acquires more dangerous worlds.

Questions, criticism and comments welcome, I hope to finish this on Wednesday. Sorry for the incoherent rambling, I am a bit tired as of the time I'm posting this.

I haven't posted a WIP here in a while, I hope that's still kosher?

 

[Clandango]

Gosh dangit. You're right.

Blame Stalin. After all, IOTL the RSFSR took land from Latvia and Estonia, while returning Memel and giving Vilnius to Lithuania. Why shouldn't they also get some of the population redistribution fun? Go further up on the map and we will find the Korean ASSR.

 

[B_Munro]

I haven't posted a WIP here in a while, I hope that's still kosher?

As long as you don't post multiple stages of the same map, should be fine.

Did France manage to avoid Falling in WWII?

OK, here's a commission for Venusian Si. And kudos to @Beedok for starting this gloriously crazy trend and providing ideas and inspiration.

Venusian Si will provide a full writeup at, well, some time in the future.

 

[Jcw3]

Did France manage to avoid Falling in WWII?

Oh no. While the war was between the Soviets and the Germans, France did jump at Germany when it was sure that they would lose. They're the reason West Germany exists, and the leader of the Western Community, a more militaristic, tighter EU.

 

[Remitonov]

Blame Stalin. After all, IOTL the RSFSR took land from Latvia and Estonia, while returning Memel and giving Vilnius to Lithuania. Why shouldn't they also get some of the population redistribution fun? Go further up on the map and we will find the Korean ASSR.

Stalin: The ASB of the mid 20th Century IOTL. Arbitrary pop transfers, draws random borders because he says so. Makes people vanish from existence. Record winner for Vlad Tepes award.

 

[Clandango]

Stalin: The ASB of the mid 20th Century IOTL. Arbitrary pop transfers, draws random borders because he says so. Makes people vanish from existence. Record winner for Vlad Tepes award.

Speaking of Vlad Tepes, we really need to see someone doing a map or timeline with some focus on the German, Hungarian, etc regions in Romania. Seems like there is much fun to be had there. And anyone know where to find that veeeery old map that showed Siberia with ASSRs or SSRs for Germans, the Dutch, etc? The map didn't show any of Western, or much if any, of Central Europe, if that helps.

 

[Mumby]

Here's a WIP of a world I'm doing for Coascendancy, a fanfic which I do hope to get back to soon. Technically an adaptation of an established work, but so far from the spirit of the original that it might as well not be.

Americas, Europe, Middle East and Africa basically finished. The world has a POD in the 1920s, and the modern day is 2011.

The idea is that a shorter WW2-equivalent and lack of a real American build up as in OTL led to a stronger communist footing on the world stage, and while that largely quieted down after major economic collapses and reforms in the communist bloc throughout the 1990s, the world today is still filled with rather nasty dictatorships and civil wars. India, which is not finished or even started yet, is unifying, its independence TTL having been rather cluttered. The Soviet Union is recovering from its economic troubles of the past, which worries America and France, its two biggest geopolitical rivals.

Under the surface (literally) creatures called dronemakers, who live at the bottom of the earth, use their telekinetic and telepathic powers (they aren't sapient, maybe fish-level intelligence) to subvert the minds of intelligent life to bring them biomass. In one area, a dronemaker tries but fails to subvert three humans.

This is the state of the world when Emperor Joseph, the dimensional travelling mage who rules over around 1.9 billion people arrives, looking for a new source of personal power before he explores and acquires more dangerous worlds.

Questions, criticism and comments welcome, I hope to finish this on Wednesday. Sorry for the incoherent rambling, I am a bit tired as of the time I'm posting this.

I haven't posted a WIP here in a while, I hope that's still kosher?

that is one phresh looking africa