AHC Make Lehi rule Israel with a 1922 PoD

[Gukpard]

So, Lehi was a fascist group that according to wikipedia, it's aim was to evict the British authorities from Palestine by resort to force, allowing unrestricted immigration of Jews and the formation of a Jewish state, a "new totalitarian Hebrew republic", after WWII they moved away from fascism and then declared national bolshevism as their ideology

The objective is to have israel to be created as a one party state under Lehi, and the PoD is the amrch on rome

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This is the Stern Gang, right? Probably the best bet would be to have them cut a deal with the Nazis, and then have the Nazis somehow win World War II.

The Stern Gang was an underground group of which Shamir was a leader. It tried to make an alliance with Nazi Germany in 1941 to oppose British rule in Palestine in exchange for the release of Jews from Nazi hands.

Reuters

 

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Meta-AH time: Philip Roth or Michael Chabon or some other mainstream non-AH author writes a controversial alternate history novel where the Stern Gang made a pact with the Nazis; Rommel drives east after a different El Alamein and the Levant is in joint Italo-Nazi-Vichy hands. The alternate state of Judah is created, a fascist, or at least "totalitarian Hebrew" state. The Holocaust is averted into a massive forced Exodus as the European fascists expel Jews to the Levant. The story takes place in modern day Judah, where a young Jew discovers evidence that something horrible happened to the Arab inhabitants of the land prior to the National Socialist Aliyah...

The book is widely-criticized for drawing false parallels and of criticizing modern Israel-Palestinian relations. Author is accused of being self-hating and anti-Israeli. Despite the controversy, the success of the Netflix production of Bring the Jubilee leads to a similar adaptation of this story into a Crackle mini-series.

 

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Regular AH time: well, what does anyone think about the actual AH in the fictional work of AH?

Also which critically acclaimed mainstream author could have written it

 

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Regular AH time: well, what does anyone think about the actual AH in the fictional work of AH?

I'm wondering how much loyalty a Jewish fascist state could engender among its population if the founding myth involved a forced expulsion of Jews from Europe carried out by the fascists themselves.

The official history would probably have to skirt over that, or re-write it so that the expulsion is actually a grassroots movement of Jews leaving Europe, with assistance from Righteous Gentiles like Hitler and Himmler. Something like "European Jews all recognized the historical destiny inherent in the settlement project, except for a few bolsho-assimilationists who wanted to stick around Europe and foment revolution, but our gallant German allies made short work of them."

Might seem like a tall order, since assuming a moderate degree of contact with the outside world(or even just with older Judah-ites who were alive for the expulsion), people could probably find out pretty easily that the exodus was NOT a voluntary one. You'd need a rather hefty totalitarian apparatus in place to keep the truth from being publically stated. Like, North Korea-style.

 

[Gukpard]

I'm wondering how much loyalty a Jewish fascist state could engender among its population if the founding myth involved a forced expulsion of Jews from Europe carried out by the fascists themselves.

The official history would probably have to skirt over that, or re-write it so that the expulsion is actually a grassroots movement of Jews leaving Europe, with assistance from Righteous Gentiles like Hitler and Himmler. Something like "European Jews all recognized the historical destiny inherent in the settlement project, except for a few bolsho-assimilationists who wanted to stick around Europe and foment revolution, but our gallant German allies made short work of them."

Might seem like a tall order, since assuming a moderate degree of contact with the outside world(or even just with older Judah-ites who were alive for the expulsion), people could probably find out pretty easily that the exodus was NOT a voluntary one. You'd need a rather hefty totalitarian apparatus in place to keep the truth from being publically stated. Like, North Korea-style.

I REALLY doubt that Hitler would make a deal with the jews over the arabs, even more with Mussolini having irredentist views on the area

A Idea I have about this is: have Italy remain neutral until 1943/44, and then have they to join the allies, this way preventing fascism from being discredited and then caving it's own sphere of influence after the war (Maybe restoring austrofascist austria and a puppet Croatia under the ustase), this way preventing the Lehi from moving towards national bolshevism

Then have the italian government to sponsor the Lehi after the arab-israeli war, and so have the Lehi elected and then they coup the government and ally with italy

What do you think? ITaly holds Lybia, so they could easily supply Israel in case of war

 

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Yes, a de-nazified, Allied fascism might be the more plausible route to go, if you can get Mussolino to team up with Churchill and/or Roosevelt and/or Stalin.

 

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Otto

(relevant skit starts a few seconds in)

Look closely at the insignia on Otto's helmet. We can probably guess why this didn't make the final cut.