How did a Cathar minority come to be in Ireland?Map of the religions in the Old World in 1390 AD. (Nestorian Mongols happened).
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The Irish king offered relative tolerance by allowing Cathars to live there if they did not proselytize to Catholics.
I didn't plan on doing another one of these, but here goes; [a real world map- feedback and corrections appreciated]
Historically, every language in the Hindu world had it's own script. Every language of literary, cultural, or regional importance that is. The clash of civilizations that would begin with the first Muslim incursion into India in the 8th century resulted in a new idea; that the written word was itself a unifying symbol of a religion. In this case, though the Persian variant (Nastaliq) of the Arabic Alphabet has differences from the way Arabs themselves write, there would be a single writing system, and peoples under Muslim rule would write in a single manner, with the letters used in the Quran itself.
The Hindu religion had long prioritized the oral knowledge of works such as the Vedas over the written word. Sure, writing has a long history in India and is seen as a gift from the gods. But this was the impetus required to unite Gujarati with other North Indian languages to write in the Devanagari alphabet.
Old habits die hard though, and ultimately (after a few centuries of writing in Devanagari) Gujarat went to its own writing system- this time one derived from Devanagari around 1600. This alphabet is *almost* legible to Devanagari readers (some letters are weirdly shaped but understandable, others more different) and the biggest difference between the Gujarati Alphabet and Devanagari is the lack of the line above the letters. (This line is a tradition borrowed from Sanskrit where clearly telling where a word ends and begins is of high importance to reading- in modern Gujarati it is wholly unneeded anyway)
Gujarat is perhaps best known to Americans as the homeland of the Patel caste- a farming and merchant class which unlike other traditionally powerful Hindi castes in India has not discouraged travel abroad and mixing with foreigners but instead actually encourages both (think India's version of 'Protestant work ethic'). In America *supposedly* a third of hotels are now owned by members of this caste.
Another interesting bit about Gujarat is that it is home nearly all of the modern Zoroastrians (know as Parsis if they fled Iran in medieval times and Iranis if they fled it in modern times). So great has the concentration become that worldwide the most common language of the Zoroastrian community is now Gujarati- even Zoroastrians in other parts of India speak Gujarati and consider themselves more Gujarati than Persian nowadays. Since Parsis are some of the richest Indians- the richest man in India is Parsi and virtually all are extremely educated and affluent- they've been called "the Jews of India". Aside from Gujarati and Kutchi, Avestan, the great language of Zoroastrian texts, is now written in the Gujarati alphabet.
Jains are a bit more spread out than Parsis, but probably 70% of Jains are from Gujarat. The only Jain majority towns are in very rural areas of Gujarat, where market places may be Jain dominated but the surrounding farms and countryside is completely Hindu.
In Gujarat but closer to Pakistan lies a variety of Gujarati so divergent that it is considered a separate language. On other side of the border it is written in Nastaliq instead of the Gujarati alphabet.
Historically, every language in the Hindu world had it's own script. Every language of literary, cultural, or regional importance that is. The clash of civilizations that would begin with the first Muslim incursion into India in the 8th century resulted in a new idea; that the written word was itself a unifying symbol of a religion. In this case, though the Persian variant (Nastaliq) of the Arabic Alphabet has differences from the way Arabs themselves write, there would be a single writing system, and peoples under Muslim rule would write in a single manner, with the letters used in the Quran itself.
The Hindu religion had long prioritized the oral knowledge of works such as the Vedas over the written word. Sure, writing has a long history in India and is seen as a gift from the gods. But this was the impetus required to unite Gujarati with other North Indian languages to write in the Devanagari alphabet.
Old habits die hard though, and ultimately (after a few centuries of writing in Devanagari) Gujarat went to its own writing system- this time one derived from Devanagari around 1600. This alphabet is *almost* legible to Devanagari readers (some letters are weirdly shaped but understandable, others more different) and the biggest difference between the Gujarati Alphabet and Devanagari is the lack of the line above the letters. (This line is a tradition borrowed from Sanskrit where clearly telling where a word ends and begins is of high importance to reading- in modern Gujarati it is wholly unneeded anyway)
Gujarat is perhaps best known to Americans as the homeland of the Patel caste- a farming and merchant class which unlike other traditionally powerful Hindi castes in India has not discouraged travel abroad and mixing with foreigners but instead actually encourages both (think India's version of 'Protestant work ethic'). In America *supposedly* a third of hotels are now owned by members of this caste.
Another interesting bit about Gujarat is that it is home nearly all of the modern Zoroastrians (know as Parsis if they fled Iran in medieval times and Iranis if they fled it in modern times). So great has the concentration become that worldwide the most common language of the Zoroastrian community is now Gujarati- even Zoroastrians in other parts of India speak Gujarati and consider themselves more Gujarati than Persian nowadays. Since Parsis are some of the richest Indians- the richest man in India is Parsi and virtually all are extremely educated and affluent- they've been called "the Jews of India". Aside from Gujarati and Kutchi, Avestan, the great language of Zoroastrian texts, is now written in the Gujarati alphabet.
Jains are a bit more spread out than Parsis, but probably 70% of Jains are from Gujarat. The only Jain majority towns are in very rural areas of Gujarat, where market places may be Jain dominated but the surrounding farms and countryside is completely Hindu.
In Gujarat but closer to Pakistan lies a variety of Gujarati so divergent that it is considered a separate language. On other side of the border it is written in Nastaliq instead of the Gujarati alphabet.
I originally planned to make this a bit nicer and add a huge text portion with the names of political parties in government of every polity on the map, however while I actually have most of that done, it's going to be along while before I finish, so I'm just going to post the map portion here.
This is a political map, showing the political ideologies of the ruling parties or parties in ruling coalitions of the world in 2115 in my quasi-TL, The Continual Future, which I in the past posted a world map of.
Note that the world has changed greatly in terms of politics and ideology, however it was a continual rather than radical change, which resulted in some politics being somewhat obvious to someone from 2016 while others would not.
A brief overview of listed Ideologies;
Techno-Communism:
A new breed of communism that removed much of its historical baggage (Marx is the only one thought positively of, but even then he and classical Marxism are seen as flawed understandings); it supports the use of supercomputers and overseer AI to run a 'living economy' where all are equal.
Infosocialism:
While originating in the digital age most InfoSoc parties focus more on cultural matters and the Freedom of Information.
New Socialism:
Refers to a broad set of moderate Left ideologies that came about from the mid-21st century 'People's Renaissance' (not everyone calls it that); this ranges from everything from Left-wing Social Democray to Nanosocialism (which is still in the early stages of coalescing into a major force globally).
Neo-Traditionalism:
These parties are the future version of Reactionary-lite and Romantic Culturalism, essentially they advocate for a return to the ways of the past (in this case usually any time between 1950 to 2070 depending on the party).
Deep Ecologism:
These parties are perhaps the most extreme (in any definition) parties that are in power in any way, essentially they advocate for the largescale de-anthropization of the world, ranging from those in Madagascar who support creating a network of massive arcologies to house the population while the remaining 99% of land is given back to nature and left undisturbed to those in Papua New Guinea who support a return to a modified hunter-gatherer existence (basically think of how PNG is now, but remove the few urban centers); the most extreme parties, and resultingly the ones not in power support either largescale population decreases or a long term plan of species die-off for Humanity.
Environmental Reformism:
These are the descendants of the more traditional Green Parties, essentially they believe in environmental preservation while also focusing on more Human matters as well, they tend to oppose unnecessary genetic modification and support ecofriendly ways of doing things (ex. raising cows for milk by having them roam massive areas in a semi-wild state).
Techno-Ecologism:
This group believes that technology and science is the only way to protect the environment and believe that sometimes change to the environment is required to allow it to survive in the long run; big on genetic modification, cybernetics, Eco-Metro synthesis and species resurrection.
Classical Liberalism:
Basically the descendant ideology of Neo-Liberalism and Rockefeller Republicanism; supports a capitalist system but recognizes the need for some regulation, though only to a degree.
New Liberalism:
Essentially Social Liberalism to Social Libertarianism mixed with a variety of economic policies that range from the Left of Center to 'Pragmatists'; universally recognize the need for regulations and protections to ensure the well being of people but support the general idea of capitalism; heavily influenced and to a degree descended from North American Liberalism.
Councilism:
Support devolution of political power to councils, ranging from Neighborhood Councils at the smallest to Metropolitan Councils at the largest with the overall state limited to defence, justice, foreign relations and intra-council activities.
Anthrocentrism:
The belief that Humans are superior to everything and are the center of the biological universe; oppose the granting of equal rights to non-Human sentients, generally anti-environmentalist and even oppose basic Animal Rights to varying degrees.
Digitalism:
Digitalism is not a single ideology, but rather a grouping of related ideologies ranging from forms of Cyberocracy to Technocracy to AIocracy; aside from being pro-technology a core pillar of Digitalist beliefs is that AI should be treated as equals.
New Africanism:
The late 21st and early 22nd century descendant of Pan-Africanism; NA parties have varying positions on economic and social issues, but what they share in common is a core support for the unification of Africa into a single polity of some sort.
Ummah al-Inas:
The spiritual successor to both Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism; supports the cooperation, unity and betterment of the people and lands of the 'Ummah', in this case referring to the region comprising Egypt-Sudan to Arabia to Iran; UI parties tend to be Left of Center economically (though not always), socially centrist/neutral and decide their opinion on issues based on how they affect the Ummah.
This is a political map, showing the political ideologies of the ruling parties or parties in ruling coalitions of the world in 2115 in my quasi-TL, The Continual Future, which I in the past posted a world map of.
Note that the world has changed greatly in terms of politics and ideology, however it was a continual rather than radical change, which resulted in some politics being somewhat obvious to someone from 2016 while others would not.
A brief overview of listed Ideologies;
Techno-Communism:
A new breed of communism that removed much of its historical baggage (Marx is the only one thought positively of, but even then he and classical Marxism are seen as flawed understandings); it supports the use of supercomputers and overseer AI to run a 'living economy' where all are equal.
Infosocialism:
While originating in the digital age most InfoSoc parties focus more on cultural matters and the Freedom of Information.
New Socialism:
Refers to a broad set of moderate Left ideologies that came about from the mid-21st century 'People's Renaissance' (not everyone calls it that); this ranges from everything from Left-wing Social Democray to Nanosocialism (which is still in the early stages of coalescing into a major force globally).
Neo-Traditionalism:
These parties are the future version of Reactionary-lite and Romantic Culturalism, essentially they advocate for a return to the ways of the past (in this case usually any time between 1950 to 2070 depending on the party).
Deep Ecologism:
These parties are perhaps the most extreme (in any definition) parties that are in power in any way, essentially they advocate for the largescale de-anthropization of the world, ranging from those in Madagascar who support creating a network of massive arcologies to house the population while the remaining 99% of land is given back to nature and left undisturbed to those in Papua New Guinea who support a return to a modified hunter-gatherer existence (basically think of how PNG is now, but remove the few urban centers); the most extreme parties, and resultingly the ones not in power support either largescale population decreases or a long term plan of species die-off for Humanity.
Environmental Reformism:
These are the descendants of the more traditional Green Parties, essentially they believe in environmental preservation while also focusing on more Human matters as well, they tend to oppose unnecessary genetic modification and support ecofriendly ways of doing things (ex. raising cows for milk by having them roam massive areas in a semi-wild state).
Techno-Ecologism:
This group believes that technology and science is the only way to protect the environment and believe that sometimes change to the environment is required to allow it to survive in the long run; big on genetic modification, cybernetics, Eco-Metro synthesis and species resurrection.
Classical Liberalism:
Basically the descendant ideology of Neo-Liberalism and Rockefeller Republicanism; supports a capitalist system but recognizes the need for some regulation, though only to a degree.
New Liberalism:
Essentially Social Liberalism to Social Libertarianism mixed with a variety of economic policies that range from the Left of Center to 'Pragmatists'; universally recognize the need for regulations and protections to ensure the well being of people but support the general idea of capitalism; heavily influenced and to a degree descended from North American Liberalism.
Councilism:
Support devolution of political power to councils, ranging from Neighborhood Councils at the smallest to Metropolitan Councils at the largest with the overall state limited to defence, justice, foreign relations and intra-council activities.
Anthrocentrism:
The belief that Humans are superior to everything and are the center of the biological universe; oppose the granting of equal rights to non-Human sentients, generally anti-environmentalist and even oppose basic Animal Rights to varying degrees.
Digitalism:
Digitalism is not a single ideology, but rather a grouping of related ideologies ranging from forms of Cyberocracy to Technocracy to AIocracy; aside from being pro-technology a core pillar of Digitalist beliefs is that AI should be treated as equals.
New Africanism:
The late 21st and early 22nd century descendant of Pan-Africanism; NA parties have varying positions on economic and social issues, but what they share in common is a core support for the unification of Africa into a single polity of some sort.
Ummah al-Inas:
The spiritual successor to both Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism; supports the cooperation, unity and betterment of the people and lands of the 'Ummah', in this case referring to the region comprising Egypt-Sudan to Arabia to Iran; UI parties tend to be Left of Center economically (though not always), socially centrist/neutral and decide their opinion on issues based on how they affect the Ummah.
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A big ol' teaser as to my 'Teutoburg' map. The colours presented are nowhere near final, but they give you a general outline. I'm also showing you just the north bit not only because it's the most complete part. There's a reason I think is pretty neat that the southern half of the world is not being shown yet. Questions and criticisms are welcome.
[LOUIS SALVATORE STARTS LAUGHING SO MANIACALLY THAT HIS OXYGEN TANK GIVES OUT]
Here we are. I stumbled across my first alternate history map ever made much to my dismay. So in response to that I decided to decipher what I could and translate it to worlda. If you have any idea what I could have possibly been thinking please let me know. (Made with X2 Every color scheme ever color. For the most part)
I think you gave Russia a little too much land in the area between the Black and Caspean seas.
I noticed that but I don't feel as if it is that dire to fix. I also messed up on the HRE border.
Here's the next map of real world languages in India;
Odisha- sometimes spelled 'Orissa', 'Orisha', or 'Odissa' is a poorer state, associated with lush green jungles somewhat less development than many other states. Despite having an area roughly that of Greece and a population roughly that of the United Kingdom, it's inhabitants are not nearly so likely to travel to other parts of India, Commonwealth countries, or the U.S. as other Indians are. Certainly, Bhubaneshvar, the capital city, is not nearly as cosmopolitan or diverse as other states' capitals. Odhisa is certainly rich in it's own cultural heritage though. The state mostly speaks Odia (also spelled Oriya), which is the only Indo-European language other than Sanskrit to be a designated classical language of India, and uses its own alphabet. Odisha is the modern descendant of the ancient kingdom of Kalinga, which was for a while the only kingdom of India never to be conquered or vassalized by the Mauryan Dynasty, which was the first to unite the subcontinent.
Odisha is also unique in that its many jungles and hills are home to some of India's largest tribal (or 'Adivasi') groups- peoples who speak languages totally unrelated Odia, but who have nontheless exchange considerable influence on eachother. Several of these tribal languages have had individuals attempt to make new alphabets for them, but they are still most commonly written (when written at all- most tribals here only write in Odia) in the Odia alphabet. A lot of work still has to go into discovering the origins of the Austro-Asiatic race, which actually includes the Vietnamese and Cambodians further east.
One of the cool things an Oriya friend has told me is that the word for mouse in Oriya is 'Musa' (pronounced like 'moo-saw'). Correspondences between Indo-European languages can found just below the surface just about everywhere- particularly when using the Sanskritized Elite Odia used in academic and literary circles within the state.
Odisha- sometimes spelled 'Orissa', 'Orisha', or 'Odissa' is a poorer state, associated with lush green jungles somewhat less development than many other states. Despite having an area roughly that of Greece and a population roughly that of the United Kingdom, it's inhabitants are not nearly so likely to travel to other parts of India, Commonwealth countries, or the U.S. as other Indians are. Certainly, Bhubaneshvar, the capital city, is not nearly as cosmopolitan or diverse as other states' capitals. Odhisa is certainly rich in it's own cultural heritage though. The state mostly speaks Odia (also spelled Oriya), which is the only Indo-European language other than Sanskrit to be a designated classical language of India, and uses its own alphabet. Odisha is the modern descendant of the ancient kingdom of Kalinga, which was for a while the only kingdom of India never to be conquered or vassalized by the Mauryan Dynasty, which was the first to unite the subcontinent.
Odisha is also unique in that its many jungles and hills are home to some of India's largest tribal (or 'Adivasi') groups- peoples who speak languages totally unrelated Odia, but who have nontheless exchange considerable influence on eachother. Several of these tribal languages have had individuals attempt to make new alphabets for them, but they are still most commonly written (when written at all- most tribals here only write in Odia) in the Odia alphabet. A lot of work still has to go into discovering the origins of the Austro-Asiatic race, which actually includes the Vietnamese and Cambodians further east.
One of the cool things an Oriya friend has told me is that the word for mouse in Oriya is 'Musa' (pronounced like 'moo-saw'). Correspondences between Indo-European languages can found just below the surface just about everywhere- particularly when using the Sanskritized Elite Odia used in academic and literary circles within the state.
Ironically that's not even half the size of the largest Laos I've seen. Still a great map, wonder how it will react with the other planets.
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