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  1. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    See serbian actions in Macedonia before the Balkan wars. They turned it into a hellhole of anarchy, murder, and terrorism (together with Greece and Bulgaria), with various gangs rowing the country and attacking anyone who didnt align with their flavour of nationalism. Those were the operations...
  2. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    I woud also like to point out - though I have very strong reservations against McMeekin but as his book became part of the conversatio here - one of his main arguments was that Russia wanted WWI because they accepted that the road to Constantinople lead through Vienna and Berlin.
  3. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    So as I understand it you are making the argument that because Russia had made 228 or 293 invasion plans of Constantinople in 14 years that means another, more enthusiastic plan doesnt mean Russia did actively seek that operation, mainly because Sazonov said so later?... Are you sure about that...
  4. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    This far I agree. Actually what written sources we have agree on Russia taking very early on after the asassination a stance that stated that Serbia can not be made responsible and punsihed for the asassination. Way before anyone knew what the result would be of the austrian investigation...
  5. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    The ongoing argument is not if the German Empire is respnsible - practically everyone here agrees that Germany and Austria were responsible for WWI. The argument is that some say only they were responsible while others argue that Russia and France did their fair share as welll to turn the...
  6. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    Again care to elaborate about how a SECRET mobilization can act as a deterrent? That they not only dont announce but actively deny is happening? I agree that its revisionism - or more precisely an attempt to completely whitewash the victorious party of any responsibility of the war breaking...
  7. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    I would also like to stress that Russia had no treaty obligation to militarily protect Serbia, a Serbia that was actually responsible for the Sarajevo murders (and was a quasi terrorist state at that point).
  8. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    How do you warn someone by starting to mobilize in secret? That was the exact point i was making. Mobilizing in secret has no diplomatic use as by its very definition cant be used as a warning or anything else. It only makes sense if you are actively preparing for war. As I see it non of the...
  9. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    1. I did not suggest a plan of sneak attack. I suggested that mobilizing in secret has no diplomatic use and only gives strategic adventage in actual war so Russia opting for that indicates that Russia was ready, willing and actually preparing to resolve the crisis by war very early on. 2. We...
  10. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    Actually there is another aspect of the russian mobilization that is important and we have not discussed it yet: Russia has started its mobilization in secret and only officially announced and acknowledged it days later. The important bit we havent discussed is the secret part. Why did Russia...
  11. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    In this and I think in other threads as well it has been pointed out hat both France and Russia agreed to attack germany simultaneously on a predetermined day of mobilization - a day that was as russian railway development continued getting closer and closer to the day the mobilization order...
  12. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    Hmmm.... lets start with Austria: Conrad, in evry single crisis strongly advocated for a military solution, either with Serbia or Italy. Yet he had nor power to get one till the civlians decided that THEY also wanted war - actually the hungarian prime minister Tisza, a civilian had to be...
  13. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    I strongly disagree. Its true that both in Austria and Germany the generals had a huge amount of power and undue influence ower diplomay and policy - after war broke out. Not before that. It was the politicans, ciilians who decided for war - and they could have easily made different decisions...
  14. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    Does anyone here seriously believe that french neutrality was even remotely a real possibility in 1914 after the russians and germans were at war? That the France that has been a various degree of hostile towards Germany since 1870, a France that has never accepted the germans having Alsace, a...
  15. Your favorite reason why Britain would DoW Germany anyway if Berlin went east-first in 1914

    And what do you base this assumption on? OTL A-H was not supposed to attack against Serbia at all - the warplan they used was defend on the serb front and attack Russia. That Potiorek decided to ignore the plan and attack with insufficient - IIRC numerically inferior to the serbians - forces...
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