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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    Absolutely right, it was hinted at the end of the first chapter that Britain and Russia may well not get involved in a big war in France and this is exactly why. But as you say, Louis XVI's continued presence arguably makes a stronger case for Austrian intervention. How that will end is another...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791
    Threadmarks: Chapter 2 - Part 3 - "How much does this provision not diminish the Royal Majesty in the eyes of the people" Testament Politique de Louis XVI, p. iv

    Part 3 - "How much does this provision not diminish the Royal Majesty in the eyes of the people" Testament Politique de Louis XVI, p. iv A later portrait of Claude-Antoine-Gabriel de Choiseul, Duke of Choiseul and Jean Sylvain Bailly On the night of the 12th June 1791, the royal family...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    That does seem to be a popular idea on this forum! I think there is a chance for it...at least to be floated as an idea. I'm not sure how long it might last, any form of civil conflict is always going to provoke further radicalism and it didn't take long for even Phillippe Egalite to become a...
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    Could a Pittite Britain ally with a calmer Revolutionary France

    Sorry for the slow response, I've had a busy week. 1) He probably can't, especially not with a constitutional monarchy where an elected government actually decides policy. He was always willing to bow to 'national interest' anyway, see going to war with Britain in the ARW. But if relations are...
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    Could a Pittite Britain ally with a calmer Revolutionary France

    Louis XVI's attitudes are not wholly consistent, over time and between public and private. He was indeed, as you put it, not exactly pleased with the Revolution but that wasn't an objection to reform entirely just the direction the Revolution went. This was the monarch who called the Estates...
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    Could a Pittite Britain ally with a calmer Revolutionary France

    Hundreds of years of rivalry are always going to be hard to unravel. I'm not sure massive economic concessions would be necessary, or even plausible, but the issue of the economy is probably another one that friendlier relations could be built around. Some kind of trading relationship would be a...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    Thank you everyone for the fascinating discussion, it's all very interesting and I'm just disappointed I can't respond to all of it. So I'll just reply to some particular points that I can touch on without giving too many spoilers. The point about soldiers, or rather officers, being unlikely to...
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    Could a Pittite Britain ally with a calmer Revolutionary France

    Having looked into this period in both Britain and France quite a lot, this really depends on more than just France going to a constitutional monarchy. The revolution not going off the deep end would certainly endear France to the British political opposition of the period, Fox, Burke...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    The revolution has already begun, yes, its onwards path will be quite different however. its hard to say whether a living or dead Louis is more 'helpful' to the cause, as others have discussed, there are good arguments for both and depend on the character of the revolution. A living Louis is...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    It does indeed remain to be seen...but whatever happens France will not be the same. And Europe probably won't be the same either. And so the revolution begins! I do hope to see where this, or perhaps something similar, could go. Lots of potential with a different revolution and the shifting...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791
    Threadmarks: Chapter 2 - Part 2 - "But the greatest sacrifice was reserved for His Majesty's heart." Testament Politique de Louis XVI, p. ii

    Part 2 - "But the greatest sacrifice was reserved for His Majesty's heart." Testament Politique de Louis XVI, p. ii François Claude Amour, Marquis de Bouillé and Axel von Fersen It would become a momentous episode in French, European and indeed world history, but the Flight to Montmedy first...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    Absolutely, he is a very interesting figure with some great potential for the TL. Who knows, maybe there will be a Napoleon vs. Bernadotte show down? This is also entirely true, if France gets into a pan-continental war then radicalisation and a military emphasise is inevitable. But there is...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    Bernadotte is certainly one of the better options, given he is already high (-ish) rank in 1790. Gives him a better chance then many of avoiding the butterflies interfering with his career. Also something I have considered, there is a lot to consider in Revolutionary France and so much sadly...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791
    Threadmarks: Chapter 2 - Part 1 - "The only reward for so many sacrifices is to see the destruction of royalty" Testament Politique de Louis XVI, p. i

    Chapter 2 - A Better Crown Awaits Me Part 1 - "The only reward for so many sacrifices is to see the destruction of royalty" Testament Politique de Louis XVI, p. i Marie Antoinette, Queen of France, Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre and Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette As every...
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    So Evident a Danger: The Consequences of War between Britain, Prussia and Russia in 1791

    I must admit, Napoleon in Russia feels a little over-powered. The rest of Europe would tremble indeed!
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