TL-191: After the End
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Yeah, but those will be in English so the subtitle thing probably won't work.
Probably won't have the same comedic effect as seeing some guy screaming in German.
Maybe use a diffrent language format of the Confederate version of Downfall then? im sure it would be released in other then English.
Yeah, it just doesn't have the same impact, I don't think.
Plus, Featherston's probably seriously reviled that even in the 2000s movies that get made about him portray him as a bad guy.
That "Valkyrie" equivalent in Turtledove's TL flopped like a wet spaghetti noodle so amazingly fast. I think it was done deliberately to show the difference between Stauffenberg (who actually had some goal in mind and capable people surrounding him) and Forrest, who apparently had the half-assed endgame in mind with no serious thought about all the ways Featherston could cross him up.
Plus, Featherston's probably seriously reviled that even in the 2000s movies that get made about him portray him as a bad guy.
That "Valkyrie" equivalent in Turtledove's TL flopped like a wet spaghetti noodle so amazingly fast. I think it was done deliberately to show the difference between Stauffenberg (who actually had some goal in mind and capable people surrounding him) and Forrest, who apparently had the half-assed endgame in mind with no serious thought about all the ways Featherston could cross him up.
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Perhaps, but its gonna look odd if the President of the Confederate States of America is speaking in Greek or Mandarin or whatever . .
Actually that could be pretty interesting to watch.
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You could have him speaking in comically incomprehensible Southern drawl.
All of this is canon except what the Republicans win, but I expect that to be canon as well...
1956
Harry S. Truman (D-MO)/Irving Morrell (D-KS): 253 EV
W. Averell Harriman (S-NY)/Unknown (S-??): 146 EV
Harold Stassen (R-MN)/John Hoyland (R-NE): 17 EV
Truman wins yet again, and makes gains from the Socs. The Reps keep firm, though...
1956
Harry S. Truman (D-MO)/Irving Morrell (D-KS): 253 EV
W. Averell Harriman (S-NY)/Unknown (S-??): 146 EV
Harold Stassen (R-MN)/John Hoyland (R-NE): 17 EV
Truman wins yet again, and makes gains from the Socs. The Reps keep firm, though...
I admit surprise as an original state of America it has remained so. I would have sworn some text in the last book hinted independence was a formality and Texas would rejoin soon, but I could be wrong.
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So what's West Virginia like then...? With both coal and mountains...but also DC suburbs and a coastline...
Its more like the old Virginia, than the present Virginia.
USAF Organization post GW II:
David, here's a possible USAF Organization for post GW II; feel free to modify it as necessary to fit...
Tactical Air Command (same as OTL): what it means: air support for ground forces, tactical strikes on behind-the-lines targets, and gaining (and maintaining) air superiority over the battlefield. If analogues to the Matador, Mace, and later on, GLCM are operated by the USAF, TAC would operate those missile systems.
Air Transport Command: All airlift assets, whether tactical airlift-including carrying paratroopers and their equipment-to strategic airlift to locales outside the U.S., belong to this command.
Air Defense Command: Air Defense of the U.S. and its overseas territories/possessions. Including operation of SAM systems similar to both BOMARC and Nike-Hercules (later, HAWK and Patriot).
Air Striking Command: This TL's SAC analogue. Medium and heavy bombers with intercontinential range, and ICBMs. Also operators of the service's air refueling assets, as they support tanker needs for all USAF branches.
Special Operations Command: Support of Special Operations Forces for all service branches (AF, Army, Navy, Marines). Including combat-search-and-rescue forces, combat controllers, etc. Along with an analogue to the AC-130.
All other commands (Air Training Command, Air Weather Service, Systems Command, Intelligence, etc.) would be the same as OTL.
Comments?
David, here's a possible USAF Organization for post GW II; feel free to modify it as necessary to fit...
Tactical Air Command (same as OTL): what it means: air support for ground forces, tactical strikes on behind-the-lines targets, and gaining (and maintaining) air superiority over the battlefield. If analogues to the Matador, Mace, and later on, GLCM are operated by the USAF, TAC would operate those missile systems.
Air Transport Command: All airlift assets, whether tactical airlift-including carrying paratroopers and their equipment-to strategic airlift to locales outside the U.S., belong to this command.
Air Defense Command: Air Defense of the U.S. and its overseas territories/possessions. Including operation of SAM systems similar to both BOMARC and Nike-Hercules (later, HAWK and Patriot).
Air Striking Command: This TL's SAC analogue. Medium and heavy bombers with intercontinential range, and ICBMs. Also operators of the service's air refueling assets, as they support tanker needs for all USAF branches.
Special Operations Command: Support of Special Operations Forces for all service branches (AF, Army, Navy, Marines). Including combat-search-and-rescue forces, combat controllers, etc. Along with an analogue to the AC-130.
All other commands (Air Training Command, Air Weather Service, Systems Command, Intelligence, etc.) would be the same as OTL.
Comments?
I would hope it would again... the Union needs to be whole again.
Having traveled through much of NOVA, I'd say a good chunk of it would fit very well in West Virginia, as much of it is hill country. Toss in the DC Suburbs and it would be an interesting state to see develop.
Agreed. I want Texas, back!
It would be interesting since both WV historically and NOVA in the modern age have a distaste to southern-style Virginia. Perhaps this shared animosity, and a friendly willingness to leave the other section of the state alone in certain areas, allows them to work surprisingly fine together otherwise?
I believe that Texas in this TL would be likely to vote Democratic, and since it would have about 25-30 EVs, it's likely that its admission to the union would be rather strongly opposed by both Socialists and Republicans. I'm not sure whether Texans would even want to join the US, though.
I know Featherston isn't from Texas, but make him talk kind of like Boomhauer from King of the Hill, or Foghorn Leghorn
You are all missing a big point; the meme doesn't have to appear/become popular in the Unites States. A film about the Confederacy's Downfall during Featherston's last days, as he flees from Richmond to Atlanta to Montgomery (there was no bunker in TL-191), can be made in the US. In it there is a scene where Featherston looses his shit; he would likely be speaking in an uncomfortable but not incomprehensible Southern drawl.
The scene then becomes a popular meme in Germany or Russia (if you don't want too much parallelism) where the subtitles are switched out. It works for them but it doesn't quite work in the US.
Also for some reason I'd expect the more developed parts of Africa in TTL to get a sick kick out of such comedy.