Noi non ci saremo - An Italian spin-off of "Protect and Survive: A Timeline"

Good update Mario, real good work

Thank you, Luke! :)

A shootout at the O.K. Corral????
This is intense :)

Wait and see; anyway this confrontation between a US and local military is an idea that -maybe involuntarily- gave me Jan (JN1).

Somewhat funny to have a standoff with soviet warheads at most one hour away.Something of a isn't there a better time to have this than now?Italy is about to get nuked and this is what they waste time for?:D

Ravelli is fearing that the "Italian" deterrent may be swept away before Washington decides to use it. Being the Stormo's Commander he do not want to see his men killed for nothing.

It is at just such moments of heightened tensions and deep uncertainty that those convinced of their own righteousness would be most tempted to "Save the Nation". ;)

Nice job, Mario. :cool:

Falkenburg

More or less, he believe to do the right thing. Thank you.

The Avvocato flies away...
(out of sheer curiosity: where the heck are Juventus' players now? The team was evacuated with families somewhere, say at Villar Perosa?)
As for Pertini, well, for rigid he was I think even he would have asked questions later, in such a moment.

Siete proprio italiani, ma che c*zzo, stiamo per essere cancellati dalla faccia della terra come nazione o giù di lì e voi vi preoccupate dei pallonari? :D

Well, football players should have returned or stayed to their hometowns since mobilization and resulting Serie A championship's stop.

The "Grandissimo coglione" is a slightly altered version of a true story about Agnelli.

In OTL Pertini lost his temper for basically anything, in TTLI've thought that he would have be massively...pissed by the GLADIO party, even more considering that they are just where De Lorenzo would have enucleato them.

Anyone care to speculate what happened to Toto Cutugno,I know it diverges from the thread but this guy was a very popular italian singer back then.Especially for people behind the Iron Curtain like my parents where and if i remember correctly he would have just released his biggest hit single in 1983 L'Italiano.So what do you think did he survive flee or die in the nuclear war or aftermath? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51aK6RqxKs&feature=related in this timeline it would be months before the war

Ahaha, TOTO CUTUGNO. You're the #1, ivfl :D

You're right L'Italiano was a huge Sanremo pop hit in 1983; maybe we will see him again ;)
 
80's italian pop music tends to be quite popular among persons who grew up in southeastern Europe in that time.Mainly because many had relatives living and working in Italy at the time so a guy like Toto Cutungo would have been known.It might not exactly matter in the grand scheme of things but it makes for interesting speculation just like questions along the lines what happened to the Beatles in the war.
 
Thank you, Luke! :)



Wait and see; anyway this confrontation between a US and local military is an idea that -maybe involuntarily- gave me Jan (JN1).



Ravelli is fearing that the "Italian" deterrent may be swept away before Washington decides to use it. Being the Stormo's Commander he do not want to see his men killed for nothing.



More or less, he believe to do the right thing. Thank you.


Siete proprio italiani, ma che c*zzo, stiamo per essere cancellati dalla faccia della terra come nazione o giù di lì e voi vi preoccupate dei pallonari? :D

Certo, bisogna mantenere le vere priorità:D




In OTL Pertini lost his temper for basically anything, in TTLI've thought that he would have be massively...pissed by the GLADIO party, even more considering that they are just where De Lorenzo would have enucleato them.

There is the probability that Pertini take a rifle and shoot at Cossiga


Ahaha, TOTO CUTUGNO. You're the #1, ivfl :D

You're right L'Italiano was a huge Sanremo pop hit in 1983; maybe we will see him again ;)

i think that Cutugno is like the coacroach basically even a nuclear war is incapable of kill him (Scusate ma da buon Bolognese io opto per Morandi, Dalla e Rossi;))
 
You're right L'Italiano was a huge Sanremo pop hit in 1983; maybe we will see him again ;)

It was also the number one on the Finnish list in July-August 1983. A local singer, Kari Tapio, made a version by the end of the year in Finnish, Olen suomalainen ("I am Finnish"), which sold gold by 1984. Today, it is still considered a classic (if cheesy) Finnish pop song...:rolleyes:

I might as well put it in LoSS, it would be as likely to appear on radio as any of the period songs I have used thus far.:p
 
Ivfl, if it is not too personal, where do you come from? In Italy we didn't experienced big immigration until early 90s. However Italian pop, sometimes cheesy as DrakonFin pointed out, singers of the 80s often had found unexpected fame in former WP countries (Poland, Bulgaria, Russia itself...)

Luke: Put your money about the cockroach thing on Pippo Baudo too :D
 
It was also the number one on the Finnish list in July-August 1983. A local singer, Kari Tapio, made a version by the end of the year in Finnish, Olen suomalainen ("I am Finnish"), which sold gold by 1984. Today, it is still considered a classic (if cheesy) Finnish pop song...:rolleyes:

I might as well put it in LoSS, it would be as likely to appear on radio as any of the period songs I have used thus far.:p

Sometimes OTL make you missing For All Time :D
 
Romania, currently active duty in the army there, nothing big just your regular grunt.Anyway as said pop songs from Italy did find popularity here in the 80's to the point that they are still played regularly on radio stations,Ceasescu might have been suspicious of everyone but western pop music got through regardless.
 
Ouch,I hope my beloved two Presidents do not get shot ! At the same time, it's my greatest hope that the Avvocato gets a direct strike at his helicopter :D

Great, great update ! Especially nice to see a "Sigonella on steroids", Castoldi can smuggle American nuclear weapons to Capo Marrargiu so that, when war ends, Cossiga will rule the world with his nuclear-equipped army of Sardinian shepherds !! :D

Also, it's recent news that the loony Sardist independentists who in 1984 tried to initiate a armed rebellionhad been founded and trained by Quaddafi: any chance of a stand-off with Gladiatori ?
 
Ouch,I hope my beloved two Presidents do not get shot ! At the same time, it's my greatest hope that the Avvocato gets a direct strike at his helicopter :D

Great, great update ! Especially nice to see a "Sigonella on steroids", Castoldi can smuggle American nuclear weapons to Capo Marrargiu so that, when war ends, Cossiga will rule the world with his nuclear-equipped army of Sardinian shepherds !! :D

Also, it's recent news that the loony Sardist independentists who in 1984 tried to initiate a armed rebellionhad been founded and trained by Quaddafi: any chance of a stand-off with Gladiatori ?

I can't make any promise about survival for anyone (except of course Pippo Baudo), but twists are just around the corner ;)

Thank you too, Castoldi may be or may be not involved in the IPOTESI B redux...We still have to see the fate of Ghedi itself, wait and see.

I remember to have read something about the insane passion of Gheddafik (as he was also called in the 70s) for funding international terrorism in a range spacing from top players like IRA or Turbanti pazzi to odd lunatics like our Sicilian or Sardinian secessionist. Sardinia itself has a long tradition of (usually small) pro-independence movements, often borderline with criminal organizations. Remember however that in the chaotic days before and during the conventional phase of the war, authorities has cracked down even on "potential" menaces (you should think about what happened to the "driven" BR ITTL.)
 
By the way, I'm fairly curious : for whom is Castoldi voting for at elections ? I'd say Republican, considering his left-wing "simpathies" and his disdain for both the Party system and the P2; or Socialist, as he isn't very Atlanticist, and the PSI had a fairly effective marketing moment with armed forces in the 80s ... of course, it was due to P2-suspect Lelio Lagorio so this isn't a given ...
 
For information of non-Italian readers, I here publish the links to three versions of the song from which the title of this spinoff was taken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwGDJa1dP50&feature=related
the original (1967) by Emilian songwriter Francesco Guccini (a great, alive and kicking to this day, famous also for his proverbial French "r")

here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Wf4jgvPw8 a later version sung with I Nomadi, a fellow Emilian longstanding group, still active apart the poor singer you hear, Augusto Daolio, who died prematurely in 1992 at some 47.

Then the most fascinating "psychedelic" version, my personal favourite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjCmkbw9HA , in the Nineties, by the CSI (Consorzio Suonatori Indipendenti), former CCCP :) (true!). Interenstingly, fellow Emilians even them.

text translated in English by Google Translate (with some further correction):

We'll see only a fireball,
larger than the sun, larger than the world;
not even a cry will ring out and only the silence like a shroud will lie
between heaven and earth for a thousand centuries at least,
but we won't be there, we won't be there.

Then for a year, the rain will fall down from the sky
and the rivers run down the land again
they will flow to the oceans and anew the beaches will resonate from the waves
and high in the sky shines the rainbow,
but we won't be there, we won't be there.

And chains of mountains covered with snow
border will be to fir forests,
never a hand of man will ever touch them, and again the beaches will resonate from the waves
and high, far away, a serene weather will return,
but we won't there, we won't be there.

And the wind that in the summer comes from the sea
will chant a song amidst a thousand ruins,
through the rubble of the cities, amidst houses and highrises that slowly with time will crumble,
between machines and roads a new world will rise again
but we won't be there, we won't be there.

And from the woods and the sea life returns,
and in the end the Earth will be populated anew;
with days and nights the sun will make a thousand seasons and again the world will travel the eternal spaces for a thousand centuries at least,
but we won't be there, we won't be there,
but we won't be there ...

Italian original text

Vedremo soltanto una sfera di fuoco,
più grande del sole, più vasta del mondo;
nemmeno un grido risuonerà e solo il silenzio come un sudario si stenderà
fra il cielo e la terra, per mille secoli almeno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

Poi per un anno la pioggia cadrà giù dal cielo
e i fiumi correranno la terra di nuovo
verso gli oceani scorreranno e ancora le spiagge risuoneranno delle onde
e in alto nel cielo splenderà l'arcobaleno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

E catene di monti coperte di nevi
saranno confine a foreste di abeti:
mai mano d' uomo le toccherà, e ancora le spiagge risuoneranno delle onde
e in alto, lontano, ritornerà il sereno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

E il vento d'estate che viene dal mare
intonerà un canto fra mille rovine,
fra le macerie delle città, fra case e palazzi che lento il tempo sgretolerà,
fra macchine e strade risorgerà il mondo nuovo,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

E dai boschi e dal mare ritorna la vita,
e ancora la terra sarà popolata;
fra notti e giorni il sole farà le mille stagioni e ancora il mondo percorrerà
gli spazi di sempre per mille secoli almeno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo,
ma noi non ci saremo...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwGDJa1dP50&feature=related
the original (1967) by Emilian songwriter Francesco Guccini (a great, alive and kicking to this day, famous also for his proverbial French "r")

Ah Guccini, my mother always tell me how grandma almost kill him launchin a bucket full of water on him and his friends (was night and they were a little high...ok breschi fino al midollo se vogliamo essere sinceri;))


here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Wf4jgvPw8 a later version sung with I Nomadi, a fellow Emilian longstanding group, still active apart the poor singer you hear, Augusto Daolio, who died prematurely in 1992 at some 47.

Eh was a great artist a very powerfull voice, greatly missed:(
 
Speaking of Gladio, here you can find a very interesting book by Paolo Inzerilli, former commander of GLADIO itself, defending the organization and detailing its history and structure. A very interesting read and terrific piece of information :)

http://www.robertochicco.com/iGladio/
 
By the way, I'm fairly curious : for whom is Castoldi voting for at elections ? I'd say Republican, considering his left-wing "simpathies" and his disdain for both the Party system and the P2; or Socialist, as he isn't very Atlanticist, and the PSI had a fairly effective marketing moment with armed forces in the 80s ... of course, it was due to P2-suspect Lelio Lagorio so this isn't a given ...

Well, Castoldi is for sure inside Freemasonry, but I left deliberately vague if he was also a member P2 structure. Even if very warped, given the context, inspiration for the character came from the Paolo Villaggio's character of Camorrani.

For information of non-Italian readers, I here publish the links to three versions of the song from which the title of this spinoff was taken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwGDJa1dP50&feature=related
the original (1967) by Emilian songwriter Francesco Guccini (a great, alive and kicking to this day, famous also for his proverbial French "r")

here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Wf4jgvPw8 a later version sung with I Nomadi, a fellow Emilian longstanding group, still active apart the poor singer you hear, Augusto Daolio, who died prematurely in 1992 at some 47.

Then the most fascinating "psychedelic" version, my personal favourite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjCmkbw9HA , in the Nineties, by the CSI (Consorzio Suonatori Indipendenti), former CCCP :) (true!). Interenstingly, fellow Emilians even them.

text translated in English by Google Translate (with some further correction):

We'll see only a fireball,
larger than the sun, larger than the world;
not even a cry will ring out and only the silence like a shroud will lie
between heaven and earth for a thousand centuries at least,
but we won't be there, we won't be there.

Then for a year, the rain will fall down from the sky
and the rivers run down the land again
they will flow to the oceans and anew the beaches will resonate from the waves
and high in the sky shines the rainbow,
but we won't be there, we won't be there.

And chains of mountains covered with snow
border will be to fir forests,
never a hand of man will ever touch them, and again the beaches will resonate from the waves
and high, far away, a serene weather will return,
but we won't there, we won't be there.

And the wind that in the summer comes from the sea
will chant a song amidst a thousand ruins,
through the rubble of the cities, amidst houses and highrises that slowly with time will crumble,
between machines and roads a new world will rise again
but we won't be there, we won't be there.

And from the woods and the sea life returns,
and in the end the Earth will be populated anew;
with days and nights the sun will make a thousand seasons and again the world will travel the eternal spaces for a thousand centuries at least,
but we won't be there, we won't be there,
but we won't be there ...

Italian original text

Vedremo soltanto una sfera di fuoco,
più grande del sole, più vasta del mondo;
nemmeno un grido risuonerà e solo il silenzio come un sudario si stenderà
fra il cielo e la terra, per mille secoli almeno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

Poi per un anno la pioggia cadrà giù dal cielo
e i fiumi correranno la terra di nuovo
verso gli oceani scorreranno e ancora le spiagge risuoneranno delle onde
e in alto nel cielo splenderà l'arcobaleno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

E catene di monti coperte di nevi
saranno confine a foreste di abeti:
mai mano d' uomo le toccherà, e ancora le spiagge risuoneranno delle onde
e in alto, lontano, ritornerà il sereno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

E il vento d'estate che viene dal mare
intonerà un canto fra mille rovine,
fra le macerie delle città, fra case e palazzi che lento il tempo sgretolerà,
fra macchine e strade risorgerà il mondo nuovo,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo.

E dai boschi e dal mare ritorna la vita,
e ancora la terra sarà popolata;
fra notti e giorni il sole farà le mille stagioni e ancora il mondo percorrerà
gli spazi di sempre per mille secoli almeno,
ma noi non ci saremo, noi non ci saremo,
ma noi non ci saremo...

Thank you for giving proper reference to our foreign readers :)

For obvious reason there are not so many Italian literature or music nuclear war-related (the only other pre-1984 song is "Noi non abbiamo paura della Bomba" by I Giganti, but I did not feel it suited, you should be very afraid instead :D

Ah Guccini, my mother always tell me how grandma almost kill him launchin a bucket full of water on him and his friends (was night and they were a little high...ok breschi fino al midollo se vogliamo essere sinceri;))




Eh was a great artist a very powerfull voice, greatly missed:(

Even having different tastes in music, I think there's a consensus about their artistic importance. I was about twelve first time I heard NNCS namesake...Sarà la vecchiaia!

I feel my ears burning. :D

You talked about people trying to hack the American with the key, for the records :)

Speaking of Gladio, here you can find a very interesting book by Paolo Inzerilli, former commander of GLADIO itself, defending the organization and detailing its history and structure. A very interesting read and terrific piece of information :)

http://www.robertochicco.com/iGladio/

Molto interessante, e in un italiano di rara chiarezza e leggibilità.

I personally believe Inzerilli an serious, competent man and of course I share many of his opinions and evaluations about our military. I never read the whole publication, so a warm thank you for Manfredi.

FYI I'm working on the next update, stay tuned.
 
Don't forget also Luigi Tenco, he had a fairly atomic-ish song, although I can't remember the title ...and even Lucio Dalla !
 
Well, Castoldi is for sure inside Freemasonry, but I left deliberately vague if he was also a member P2 structure. Even if very warped, given the context, inspiration for the character came from the Paolo Villaggio's character of Camorrani.

Ouch, my bad, I got confused and mixed Bonsignore e Castoldi !

Well, Castoldi then could definitely be a P2-ist socialist ...the wily smart bastard :D
 
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