Dave, got a few questions about the USN in this TL as of 1964:
1) How many carriers? IRL in 1964 the USN had 15 attack carriers, and eight ASW carriers, with one of the attack carriers being the famous U.S.S. Enterprise (CVAN-65). Has nuclear power gone to the carrier force yet? The Big E was commissioned in 1961 IRL.
2) I presume the battleships are either in mothballs or have either gone to the scrap heap, sunk as targets, with maybe one or two being kept as museums in their home states?
3) The sub force: how many of the boats are nuclear powered? And are there any ballistic-missile subs (boomers)?
And 4) The Marines: what's the strength of the USMC? I would presume at least three divisions active, with more reserve, with the usual air wing in support for each division?
I am waiting for the day when I will actually use the word barrel in the TL-191 sense, Turtledove apparently never thought of the effect this things might have on non English native speakers. Fortunatly I hardly talk about millitarry stuff.It's the "give things a slightly different name to remind people this is an AH," thing. Ya know, like barrels.
I think the District of Columbia would eventually be merged with the State of Maryland, whose territory DC originally came from.
And since Einstein, apparently without hesitation contributeted to THE BOMB why shouldn't Braun be different?There is no reason for Von Braun to leave Germany in this timeline.
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Who do you think would get to the Moon first?
What would George Orwell be in T-191? 1984's Freedom is Slavery could very well be true ITTL.
Another great update Dave.
Probably Germany, though El Dove's love of parallels to OTL might mean a Franco-esque Nationalist group snubbed by both German Europe and the USA.There was a Spanish Civil War but it was the "Monarchists" backed by Germany and the "Nationalists" backed by France and Britain.
I don't think the books stated who even won.
The Nationalist group, backed by France and the U.K., won still, similar to OTL. Who exactly is in charge of Spain right now, don't know. Considering that David has told me that a sort of 'cut-off date' for characters from OTL appearing is about 1910, that still means that Franco is still running around...somewhere. So yeah, Spain is a nationalist republic (and considering that seems to be TTL's word for 'fascism,' is probably lead by a dictator) right now, but we don't know anything about it other than that.Probably Germany, though El Dove's love of parallels to OTL might mean a Franco-esque Nationalist group snubbed by both German Europe and the USA.
I expect a German "Sputnik" and for Von Braun to get a medal from the Kaisar. Von Braun would have some plans that he'd like to discuss with the Kaisar, a space station in a two-hour orbit called Lunetta for one, it would be a manned command station from which to direct the bombardment of targets with space-based nuclear missiles, on top of that he'd want to sell the Kaisar on his Mars Project.I am waiting for the day when I will actually use the word barrel in the TL-191 sense, Turtledove apparently never thought of the effect this things might have on non English native speakers. Fortunatly I hardly talk about millitarry stuff.
I can imagine the Socialists moving the Government back to Washington D.C.
It isn't as unhealthy as nuked Philadelphia and it is a possibility to get rid of some of the heavy Democratic-leaning burocracy
And since Einstein, apparently without hesitation contributeted to THE BOMB why shouldn't Braun be different?
You should watch out for the first Nation that gets a man into Space, bet you it will not be the same nation that get's to the moon first as well.
I expect a German "Sputnik" and for Von Braun to get a medal from the Kaisar. Von Braun would have some plans that he'd like to discuss with the Kaisar, a space station in a two-hour orbit called Lunetta for one, it would be a manned command station from which to direct the bombardment of targets with space-based nuclear missiles, on top of that he'd want to sell the Kaisar on his Mars Project.
B. LUNETTA
16. Lunetta's Orbit (Also Orbit of Departure for Operation Mars)
To facilitate a scheduled ferry service, it is necessary to chose a period of revolution which is a unit fraction of 24 hours. Thus
T1 = 2 hours = 7200 sec
has been chosen.
Equation (5.2) yields sqrt(Rs,E^3) = (7.2*10^3)/(3.13*10^(-10)) = 2.3*10(-13) and
Rs,E = 8.11*10^8cm = 5040 miles
as the distance of the orbit from the Earth's center. The altitude of the orbit above the Earth's surface is
ys,E = Rs,E - RE = 173*10^8cm = 1075 miles
The circular velocity in the orbit is
Vcirc,1 = (2*Rs,E * tt)/T1 = 7.07*10^5cm/sec = 4.40 miles/sec
17. Wheel Size and RPM
The centrifugal acceleration in the rim is to be 0.3g = 294 cm/sec^2.
Thus Vr^2/rL = 294 cm/sec^2
Since the peripheral velocity of the rim is Vr = (2*rL*tt)/tL, the period of revolution becomes tL = (2tt/sqrt(294)*sqrt(rL) = 0.365*sqrt(rL)
For a wheel radius rL = 3*10^3cm, thus
tL = 20 sec.
The wheel diameter at the flooring of the rim is DL* = 2*rL = 6*10^3 cm = 191 ft. and the total diameter approximately
DL = 200 ft.
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I think it's his plans for the Earlier mentioned 'Lunette'
although why you feel the need to post it here, I have no Idea.
I didn't like equations like this in school, and I don't like them now.
I was actually quoting Von Braun's technical notes, from the back of his book, Project Mars, in that book, he imagines a World Government The United States of Earth, undertaking a massive Mars mission with 10 spaceships and 70 men. I believe in TL-191, that book would still get written, only in this case it would be the Reich that takes over the World and embarks upon this mission. Von Braun figures that the cost of this undertaking by 1980 would be more than any single nation could afford, so therefore we would need a World Government to do it, this is where the sinister aspect of this plot comes it, he's going to try to get Germany to build a battlestation in orbit as I just mentioned to help Germany to conquer the World so it would then have the resources to send this mission to Mars, that is the plan at any rate. In Project Mars, he also mentions that World War III occured in 1975, he probably figures that perhaps the Russians might start another War with Germany, or maybe Germany might say they started it and use that as a pretext to conquer Russia. Russia is in quite a bit of disarray now as it undergoes its second revolution. I don't think Baron Werner Von Braun has much sympathy with Socialists in either timeline, he is an aristocrat, and it has not gone unnoticed what happened to the Russian aristocracy during that second Russian Revolution. Von Braun is quite a conservative guy, and although Russia is Germany's enemy, he's beginning to see the Revolution as more as a class struggle between the aristocrats and the lower classes than as a contest between nations, its only a matter of time, he reckons, that something similar might happen to his country and family, socialism has international appeal and he wants to stamp it out, he probably has written several letters to the Kaisar in this regard.They're kind of interesting, but make my brain hurt.
He would be correct in that. It still applies now on OTL.I was actually quoting Von Braun's technical notes, from the back of his book, Project Mars, in that book, he imagines a World Government The United States of Earth, undertaking a massive Mars mission with 10 spaceships and 70 men. I believe in TL-191, that book would still get written, only in this case it would be the Reich that takes over the World and embarks upon this mission. Von Braun figures that the cost of this undertaking by 1980 would be more than any single nation could afford
Whilst he may not go into politics, he may actively support a pro-war party.In Project Mars, he also mentions that World War III occured in 1975, he probably figures that perhaps the Russians might start another War with Germany, or maybe Germany might say they started it and use that as a pretext to conquer Russia.
I don't think Japan would be such a pushover though, in 1964, the Japanese Empire is probably more powerful than it was during the Second Great War, and its hard to imagine it not having nuclear weapons. The Japanese are also developing rapidily economically at this time. Combine the Japanese economic Miracle with the Japanese Empire and you have here a rapidly developing third Superpower, also with its conquered Chinese provinces, it has a larger population base - over time this Empire will make Japan more Chinese in character, that is if the Japanese hold onto it, sooner or later native Chinese will acquire positions of power and influence within the Japanese government. Those in power in Japan will be more interested in holding their Empire together rather than preserving its Japanese character. The Emperor himself won't mind Chinese subjects bowing to him, and if their skills prove useful, why not promote them?. As the Second Grat War fades into the past, Japanese and Chinese will have to build a working relationship, with other nuclear powers on the scene, further expansion of the Empire is no longer realistic, so the emphasis will be on developing the Empire economically, certain people will be exploited of course, but then a core of quislings will be groomed among the native populations in order to govern these conquered provinces, eventually like Rome, the Japanese Empire will become more cosmopolitian as other asian cultures influence Imperial culture. All Empires are like this from one extent to another, those that rule are more interested in preservung their power than in any sense of national chauvanism.He would be correct in that. It still applies now on OTL.
Whilst he may not go into politics, he may actively support a pro-war party.
In any event formation of a World Government by Germany is a non starter; the USA is too power. What is more likely that between they "demilitarise" Russia and Japan, divide the world into spheres of influence then embark on programmes of mutual interest such as fusion energy and spaceships to Mars.