Oh, Spandau would certainly be used as a POW camp if it doesn’t get nuked, once the previous inhabitants (read: Nazi criminals who should have gotten the noose) are dealt with.
Omnicide: World War III In 1953
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Oh, Spandau would certainly be used as a POW camp if it doesn’t get nuked, once the previous inhabitants (read: Nazi criminals who should have gotten the noose) are dealt with.
*Tu-4 production ended in 1952 with 867 or so made
*There might be a few Tu-16s available and perhaps the prototype Tu-95 gets deployed
*USSR would test RDS-4 in August 1953 but otherwise had RDS-1, RDS-2, and RDS-3 testing complete, the latter being the most powerful yield at just over 41kt.
*Very limited nuclear weapon production in the USSR at that time, by 1955 there were perhaps 200 in their stockpile so maybe 100 total in 1953?
*Perhaps one to three get through on one-way trips, assuming the weapons are deployed and ready at bases in Siberia
*Germany, Czechloslovakia, and Poland are likely radioactive graveyards (perhaps sparing Bavaria), Austria and northern Italy are likely occupied by the Communists, and overall the West wins the war. Russia is...just...gone...and its satellites are independent by year's end. Ukraine is battered but functional, Kazakhstan is perhaps in the best shape overall, and China *may* fall apart without Russian support.
*There might be a few Tu-16s available and perhaps the prototype Tu-95 gets deployed
*USSR would test RDS-4 in August 1953 but otherwise had RDS-1, RDS-2, and RDS-3 testing complete, the latter being the most powerful yield at just over 41kt.
*Very limited nuclear weapon production in the USSR at that time, by 1955 there were perhaps 200 in their stockpile so maybe 100 total in 1953?
*Perhaps one to three get through on one-way trips, assuming the weapons are deployed and ready at bases in Siberia
*Germany, Czechloslovakia, and Poland are likely radioactive graveyards (perhaps sparing Bavaria), Austria and northern Italy are likely occupied by the Communists, and overall the West wins the war. Russia is...just...gone...and its satellites are independent by year's end. Ukraine is battered but functional, Kazakhstan is perhaps in the best shape overall, and China *may* fall apart without Russian support.
Wolf of Badenoch
Donor
I’d suggest mountainous Tajikistan might be relatively unscathed due to its lack of significant targets and its location. The High Pamirs would provide some shielding. Khazakstan is very flat and of course was the site of the Baikanal cosmodrome and quite a lot of military infrastructure.
IOTL there was a “Captive Nations Day” dedicated to nations occupied by Soviet Russia and Red China so there would have been at least some support in backing independent states in those areas, but Ukraine with its farms and heavy industry is screwed.
Would post-Soviet occupation Iran be in any shape to expand north, assuming the US doesn’t nuke Tehran to “deny” it to the Soviets?
Also how badly damaged will France be and will they be forced to decolonize earlier?
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Whatever way the war will go, I’m going to expect at least a decade of nihilism after it. Even if the US scores a massive victory the cost will be way too high for its own citizens to bare.
marktaha
Banned
Why should they have gotten the noose? Hess should have been released regardless of Russian objections.
About 120ish, per Global nuclear weapons inventories, 1945–2010, Table 2. (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2968/066004008)
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Or worse - if the US has few or no direct casualties it may be both loathed internationally and invigorated to consider tactical nuclear a legitimate means of warfare. There could be a very inappropriate counter-reaction, and certainly this US will not have the realignment and cultural evolution experienced in OTL from the late 50s onwards.
Well the US would be a hyperpower for perhaps twenty years or more and decolonization would be a fact whether anyone else liked it or not. Canada, India, China, Argentina, Brazil, and South Africa would be the next-tier powers and an Alliance Againast America could be in the works. Eisenhower's Interstate System still likely goes through and the US probably has 70+% of global industrial capacity at that point but the space race is largely nixed and overall technological development is likely slower in some areas. A Peace Corps equivalent might emerge but may not be welcome in all countries.
This is a great TL but I don't see how it would be possible for this war to last 8 years (1953-1961) with the USA having 1200 nukes and ICBM/thermonuclear development likely accelerated in the US similar to how the Manhattan Project was accelerated in WWII. My guess is it lasts a year at most. The US would likely strategically retreat towards Frankfurt, Bonn, and Hamburg and methodically wipe most of the Soviet armies off the map with atomic weapons early in the war before they get to the major West German population centers. The US would largely defend their own cities with the USAF. Parts of Germany would likely be a smoking ruin though. Pretty much all of Eastern Europe's capitals would be wiped off the map...
1200 USA nukes vs. 120 USSR nukes is an almost insurmountable advantage. At best the Soviets and their Eastern European allies get halfway through West Germany before their supply lines are destroyed.
As for Korea, the entire peninsula would be unified under Syngman Rhee and there wouldn't be a North Korean government left.
China makes out terribly too, most of their major population centers would be gone.
1200 USA nukes vs. 120 USSR nukes is an almost insurmountable advantage. At best the Soviets and their Eastern European allies get halfway through West Germany before their supply lines are destroyed.
As for Korea, the entire peninsula would be unified under Syngman Rhee and there wouldn't be a North Korean government left.
China makes out terribly too, most of their major population centers would be gone.
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“As for Korea, the whole peninsula would be unified under Syngman Rhee and there would be no North Korean government anymore.” It is well stated that South Korea and Japan are under Soviet attack. It is not certain that the government in Seoul survived although with the first American strike on the North, it must have had preparations in case of retaliation.
Who would be participating in such an alliance? In this scenario, Western Europe would still be around, although having received some limited amount of Soviet instant sunshine.
For example, if China would be doing an Alliance Against America, and they would be undergoing a massive nuclear buildup, would the US just nuke them?
This was bought up in discussions about AANW on another site - if the US is in sole possession of nukes/rods from god, why is there an alliance against tgem?
And even if some other nations such as Britain have nukes, what do they gain from such an alliance?