Fatboy Coxy

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Be careful what you wish for, Cecil; you might just get it...

On a side note, @Fatboy Coxy, congrats at reaching 100K words with this TL, with many more to come (hopefully)...
Hi Unknown, thank you, do I know you?

Cecil certainly got some of what he was looking for historically, was on the British battlecruiser, HMS Repulse when her and HMS Prince of Wales was sunk. He was one of the lucky ones, half of the crew on Repulse went down with her!

Brown is quite an interesting character, seems to have managed to upset the authorities just about everywhere he worked. If I can find out a bit more about him, I'll write another chapter with him featured.

100k, eh, is that good? I'm enjoying writing this, learning as I go, which was part of why I wanted to do it, and I must admit people contributing does encourage me, as well as providing interesting and some times though provoking points. So thank you everyone.
 

Driftless

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Brown had quickly got to know the rest of the War Correspondent community, the Americans, Yates McDaniel, Associated Press, Leland Stowe, Chicago Daily News, Frank Gervasi, Collier’s Weekly, among others, who all told of similar tales, while the British and Australians seemed more Sangfroid, Ian Morrison telling him, “That’s just the way it is old boy”

Be careful what you wish for, Cecil; you might just get it...
I don't know about the others, but being in the right place at the right time worked for Leland Stowe before. He happened to be in Norway on April 9, 1940, during the German invasion. Stowe's coverage was largely negative of the slip-shod Norwegian mobilization and initial efforts in the fight. It was so negative that it had the faction of Norway's government that strove to continue the fight so on their heels, that there was concern that outside help would not be extended to a totally lost cause. Stowe's coverage had a high degree of accuracy, but it became an impediment to Norway's continued fight.

One more log on the fire for the continuing battle between freedom of the press and official need to control the news.

On a side note, @Fatboy Coxy, congrats at reaching 100K words with this TL, with many more to come (hopefully)...
Kudos!!
 
Hi Unknown, thank you, do I know you?

Cecil certainly got some of what he was looking for historically, was on the British battlecruiser, HMS Repulse when her and HMS Prince of Wales was sunk. He was one of the lucky ones, half of the crew on Repulse went down with her!

Brown is quite an interesting character, seems to have managed to upset the authorities just about everywhere he worked. If I can find out a bit more about him, I'll write another chapter with him featured.

100k, eh, is that good? I'm enjoying writing this, learning as I go, which was part of why I wanted to do it, and I must admit people contributing does encourage me, as well as providing interesting and some times though provoking points. So thank you everyone.
100K is about the standard not mega name author novel length.... so yeah, it is good!
 
MWI 41081512 Shutting The Back Door

Fatboy Coxy

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1941, Friday 15 August;

He stood on the bridge wing of HMS Prince of Wales, waving, with cigar in hand, to the ships of the convoy, who were crawling along at 7 knots, loaded, east bound for the UK, as Captain Leach led the escorting five destroyers racing through the convoy’s lines at a princely 22 knots. With her large man-of-war ensign and a number of other flags flying, everyone knew who was on board her, and ships whistles, waving hands and signaling lamps, spoke of their joy in knowing that.

For Churchill’s part, he was basking in the satisfaction of a mission accomplished, having a heart, resolute, and a mind firmly fixed on what to do. The secret meeting with “Mister President”, Franklin D Roosevelt, had gone as well as could be hoped, no declaration of war, but the US was being further bound into the allied cause.

And the cost, well it wasn’t what he wanted to pay, but the President had argued they needed such a lofty goal, a statement of an ideal of self-determination and self-government, freeing trade restrictions for all peoples of the world, to rally the cause. They’d called it the Atlantic Charter, and if it did the job and got the US into the war, so be it. But nothing had been signed, and he felt sure he could later put a spin on the interpretation of the principal points, sufficient to safeguard the Empire’s interests.

But what had also come across loud and clear from all the senior American delegation, was they were no lovers of the Empire, and wouldn’t be averse to its dissolvement. In short, Britain had to defend her Empire, the Americans wouldn’t. What also concerned him was Roosevelt’s firm belief that the Japanese would back down, the economic sanctions would ensure that.

With that in mind, he’d had a CoS meeting in the Admirals cabin, with Pound and Dill, discussing the Empire’s frailties, which these days quickly focused on the Far East. Having settled on a policy of allowing the US becoming the principal in dealing with Japan, and following her lead vis Japan, there was a need to ensure a sufficient defence was provided for British interests in the Far East. Churchill stated to them both, that he wanted the back door firmly shut.

The outcome was Dill would be allowed to send some of the resources he’d been suggesting for some time, along with the aircraft Portal had offered, and with a priority that would mess up some of the planned deployments and build ups, of men and material, as ships were re assigned new cargos and destinations. And while Churchill stood outside, waving to the convoy, a series of urgent signals were being prepared, to be sent out, as soon as they docked in Hvalfjord, Iceland, tomorrow.
 
MWI 41081714 Completing The Division

Fatboy Coxy

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1941, Sunday 17 August;

The train had got them into Malacca, disembarking under the early afternoon burning sun, Lt Ben Hackney was soaked in sweat, along with everyone else. His sergeant quickly had the platoon fall in on the platform, and taking the queue from the one in front they marched out of the station onto Bona Vista Road, where the 2/29th battalion was assembling. Lt Col Robertson walked by calling all his company commanders together. Chaos, that’s the only thing Hackney could call it, chaos, and in this heat too. Transport hadn’t arrived, the battalion’s train had arrived an hour early, apparently, and they should wait, was what a staff officer was trying to explain to Robertson, but he wasn’t having any of that and the barking of orders soon told them all, they were marching to camp.

The men were moaning and bitching, but it was good natured stuff, and as they marched, he had time to take in the sights, sounds and smells of Malacca. He looked, on, almost in disbelief, the changes to his life, the big adventure, so much he had seen, and yet there was more to experience. Just a few weeks ago, late July, the component parts of the 27th Brigade had embarked on a number of Dutch liners, out of Sydney and Melbourne, along with remaining 8th Divisional units, and had sailed to Singapore. The sight of the big ships, in line astern, shepherded by Australian and Dutch warships, was exhilarating, such a force, and he was part of it all.

But in truth, it wasn’t the powerful force he imagined, but merely the last deployable one Australia had. The last brigade of the AIF to go overseas, it lacked the first-class weapons and equipment needed to fight a modern war. It shipped out of Australia with the Lewis machine gun as its squad weapon, with no Boys anti-tank rifles, and very few mortars. The artillery regiment, 2/15 Field, was equipped with 48 3-inch mortars, and limited bombs for them. The other half of the 2/4 AT Regiment was coming with no anti-tank guns, she would draw some from Malaya Command stocks, and the recently raised 8th Light Horse, the reconnaissance regiment, had only ever worked with light trucks, the Marmon Herrington armoured cars to equip her, waiting at Singapore. However, on the flip side, they were all volunteers, some of Australia’s finest, motivated, committed, and eager to learn.

The convoy had arrived in Singapore two days ago, docking at the Naval Base, preference given to the liner with the RAAF boys on board. Both air and ground crew to create a new Article XV squadron, RAAF 454, equipping with Blenheim Mk IV, along with some pilots backfilling other squadrons. They were followed by the Light Horse, who were marched off to a waiting train, before leaving for Seremban, and training with their new armoured cars. For the rest of them it was a march to a tented transit camp just outside the Naval Base, where they had rested, waiting for their designated trains to move them to Malacca.

What waited the Australians in Malacca was a number of camps around the outskirts of the town, still very much unfinished, and the beginnings of an airfield at Batu Berendam, where the undergrowth had been cleared and the land now being levelled. Here they would train, as they got used to the climate, all the while gradually re-equipping with newer weapons. Malacca was where the Second AIF was based, with her headquarters, support units, training camps and hospital, and here is where the last brigade came, completing the Division, much to Major General Gordon Bennett’s satisfaction.
 
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MWI 41081915 The Dutch Navy Grows Stronger

Fatboy Coxy

Monthly Donor
1941, Tuesday 19 August;

Vice Admiral Helfrich stood up, and while slowly looking around the room, he cleared his throat, before speaking. He was responding to a number of questions that had been asked of him, by the members of the Volksraad (People’s Council), in their fine colonial building, in uptown Batavia. Although it had no real power, nevertheless, the 30 fully elected Indonesians, along with 25 Dutch and 5 others, some of whom were elected, others appointed, held considerable influence and it was important to keep them abreast of events.

“Gentlemen, in answer to your questions as to the state of the Navy, I have this to report. Our Naval forces present in the Netherlands East Indies have undergone major changes since May 1940, and have been strengthen by the following additions.

The return of the light cruiser HNLMS Sumatra from the Netherlands, via the UK
The arrival of the large minelayer HNLMS Willem van der Zaan, again from the UK
The conversion from tug to small minelayer of HNLMS Soemenep
The commissioning of five out of a total of ten, Djember class auxiliary minesweepers, with the others to complete by April 1942.
The commissioning of six TM4 class Torpedo Boats, with the other six to complete by April 1942

Our shipyard work includes the conversion of a merchant ship into a depot and repair ship, and the building of two new 2,400-ton minelayers. Along with the increases in mine warfare ships, large numbers of mines are being produced or procured, enabling us to lay a good network of minefields throughout the islands. In addition, a growing number of ships have been or will be requisitioned and refitted to serve as auxiliary patrol vessels, while numerous smaller craft are continuing to be built.

A number of our warships, with more to follow, have been equipped and modified by the British, for anti-submarine work. They have then undergone extensive ASW training with the Royal Navy, before returning to the fleet. In addition, we have been and will continue to be rotating ship deployments with the British, so we can build a more effective working relationship with them.

The Naval Air Force has placed a large number of aircraft on order from the USA, which will greatly accelerate the expansion plan. This will require increasing our training facilities and aircraft. Nearly all of the 48 Ryan STM trainers have been delivered, the rest will arrive before the end of the year. Half of these are land based, the other half configured as float planes. 24 Beechcraft C-45 Expediter advance trainer aircraft have also been ordered. In addition, we are awaiting delivery of 24 Vought VS-310 floatplanes, these will replace the aging Fokker biplanes in the light reconnaissance role, as well as a training role.

To improve our offensive capabilities, we shortly expect the arrival of the first Catalina PBY of an order of 48, the completion of the order will be delivered in about six months. We also shortly intend to place an order with the American company Douglas for an initial 48 Douglas DB-7s, to be configured in the torpedo role, hopefully increasing that order to 80. First deliveries should arrive in February 1942.

Further substantial improvements to the Naval bases are in hand, improving our training, servicing & repair, and defence facilities. To improve communications among our many islands, an order for 48 Sikorsky S-43 twin engined flying boats will also be ordered, these aircraft can carry a maximum of 19 passengers, as well as their crew of three.

Gentlemen, I conclude, leaving you with this last thing, we have taken tremendous steps forward in improving the Navy, and more is to come, a lot more. You should be proud of the fact that our security is better than it ever was, and is improving daily. You can take comfort that should we be called upon to defend these islands, the Navy will not be found wanting. I hope that answers all your questions, thank you.”

Helfrich bowed to the applause, especially loud and vocal from a number of the Dutch representatives, before sitting down. What he thought privately was not for this gathering.
 
what the dutch need right now is basically the americans or british sending them a half dozen cruisers and 2 or 3 flotillias of destroyers. well and a bunch of subs and aircraft. alas short of a time machine to place those orders in like 1936 they won't be getting them
 

Errolwi

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This will require increasing our training facilities and aircraft. Nearly all of the 48 Ryan STM trainers have been delivered, the rest will arrive before the end of the year. Half of these are land based, the other half configured as float planes.

I must say they looked pretty darn spiffy! Presumably less so by the time most of them got shipped to Australia early 1942.
Ex-NEIAF and RAAF Ryan ST-M by Errol Cavit, on Flickr
 
1941, Tuesday 19 August;

Vice Admiral Helfrich stood up, and while slowly looking around the room, he cleared his throat, before speaking. He was responding to a number of questions that had been asked of him, by the members of the Volksraad (People’s Council), in their fine colonial building, in uptown Batavia. Although it had no real power, nevertheless, the 30 fully elected Indonesians, along with 25 Dutch and 5 others, some of whom were elected, others appointed, held considerable influence and it was important to keep them abreast of events.

“Gentlemen, in answer to your questions as to the state of the Navy, I have this to report. Our Naval forces present in the Netherlands East Indies have undergone major changes since May 1940, and have been strengthen by the following additions.

The return of the light cruiser HNLMS Sumatra from the Netherlands, via the UK
The arrival of the large minelayer HNLMS Willem van der Zaan, again from the UK
The conversion from tug to small minelayer of HNLMS Soemenep
The commissioning of five out of a total of ten, Djember class auxiliary minesweepers, with the others to complete by April 1942.
The commissioning of six TM4 class Torpedo Boats, with the other six to complete by April 1942

Our shipyard work includes the conversion of a merchant ship into a depot and repair ship, and the building of two new 2,400-ton minelayers. Along with the increases in mine warfare ships, large numbers of mines are being produced or procured, enabling us to lay a good network of minefields throughout the islands. In addition, a growing number of ships have been or will be requisitioned and refitted to serve as auxiliary patrol vessels, while numerous smaller craft are continuing to be built.

A number of our warships, with more to follow, have been equipped and modified by the British, for anti-submarine work. They have then undergone extensive ASW training with the Royal Navy, before returning to the fleet. In addition, we have been and will continue to be rotating ship deployments with the British, so we can build a more effective working relationship with them.

The Naval Air Force has placed a large number of aircraft on order from the USA, which will greatly accelerate the expansion plan. This will require increasing our training facilities and aircraft. Nearly all of the 48 Ryan STM trainers have been delivered, the rest will arrive before the end of the year. Half of these are land based, the other half configured as float planes. 24 Beechcraft C-45 Expediter advance trainer aircraft have also been ordered. In addition, we are awaiting delivery of 24 Vought VS-310 floatplanes, these will replace the aging Fokker biplanes in the light reconnaissance role, as well as a training role.

To improve our offensive capabilities, we shortly expect the arrival of the first Catalina PBY of an order of 48, the completion of the order will be delivered in about six months. We also shortly intend to place an order with the American company Douglas for an initial 48 Douglas DB-7s, to be configured in the torpedo role, hopefully increasing that order to 80. First deliveries should arrive in February 1942.

Further substantial improvements to the Naval bases are in hand, improving our training, servicing & repair, and defence facilities. To improve communications among our many islands, an order for 48 Sikorsky S-43 twin engined flying boats will also be ordered, these aircraft can carry a maximum of 19 passengers, as well as their crew of three.

Gentlemen, I conclude, leaving you with this last thing, we have taken tremendous steps forward in improving the Navy, and more is to come, a lot more. You should be proud of the fact that our security is better than it ever was, and is improving daily. You can take comfort that should we be called upon to defend these islands, the Navy will not be found wanting. I hope that answers all your questions, thank you.”

Helfrich bowed to the applause, especially loud and vocal from a number of the Dutch representatives, before sitting down. What he thought privately was not for this gathering.
In OTL those ML-KNIL DB-7/A-20s weren’t scheduled for delivery for another few months, and an emergency shipment from the US got there in time to be captured by Japan. With the earlier delivery date in this timeline, maybe they’ll be able to contribute to a defense of the NEI or elsewhere if enough delay is imposed on the Japanese.

A minelayer would be interesting, if ABDA can coordinate it across their multinational force and lines of effort. Does anyone know of Allied defensive mine warfare in the Pacific during early WW2, other than the US Army fields in Manila Bay?
 
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Any change the brand new submarines O21, O22, O23 and O24 will sent to the Dutch East Indies? Most of them made their first victims OTL mid 1941 in the Med.
And the light cruiser/heavy destroyers Tromp and Jacob van Heemskerck, if there is enough crew for them?
 

Fatboy Coxy

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what the dutch need right now is basically the americans or british sending them a half dozen cruisers and 2 or 3 flotillias of destroyers. well and a bunch of subs and aircraft. alas short of a time machine to place those orders in like 1936 they won't be getting them
Hi Spencerj345.346, If you're suggesting the Dutch should be given all those Cruisers and Destroyers, they wouldn't be able to crew them, as they were struggling to crew what they had, and where do the RN and USN have these spare ships . If you're suggesting the RN and USN station some of their own ships there, remember Holland has played herself as a neutral country, which worked well in WW1, but has somewhat bitten them back in WW2. Which also means crews for ships and aircraft which would have come from the Netherlands, will no longer be coming. Furthermore, the RN is stretched painfully thin, and the USN is rapidly expanding her fleets, so both have none to spare.

You're right about a time machine from 1936, but who in their wildest minds then would predict the fall of France, and almost the rest of western Europe to the Germans, including little neutral Holland.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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In OTL those ML-KNIL DB-7/A-20s weren’t scheduled for delivery for another few months, and an emergency shipment from the US got there in time to be captured by Japan. With the earlier delivery date in this timeline, maybe they’ll be able to contribute to a defense of the NEI or elsewhere if enough delay is imposed on the Japanese.

A minelayer would be interesting, if ABDA can coordinate it across their multinational force and lines of effort. Does anyone know of Allied defensive mine warfare in the Pacific during early WW2, other than the US Army fields in Manila Bay?
Hi Amir, what I wrote was historical as I know it, I think the Dutch were given February as a delivery date, can you give me a bit more detail on this, as it may impact on future events. Having said that, if the Dutch had 20-30 DB-7's in Feb, they've still got to train on them, and not just get use to flying the aircraft, but mounting a torpedo attack will take time. Anyone want to offer a reasonable time frame for that. Of course, this assumes the Dutch have both aircrew and maintenance crews for this planes, which in its self is a big ask.
 

Fatboy Coxy

Monthly Donor
Any change the brand new submarines O21, O22, O23 and O24 will sent to the Dutch East Indies? Most of them made their first victims OTL mid 1941 in the Med.
And the light cruiser/heavy destroyers Tromp and Jacob van Heemskerck, if there is enough crew for them?
Hi Parma, well at the moment, the Dutch are doing their best to help their hosts free occupied Europe, including Holland, from the grip of the Nazi's, and those submarines are highly thought of. If war breaks out with Japan, I'm sure at least some of them will go to defend the Dutch East Indies, as may Jacob van Heemskerck. Tromp is already out there, as I know you know, just trying to catch me out eh. But what I will say is, the Princess Irene Brigade will most defiantly not be going to the Far East, something has to remain to liberate Holland. So Parma, chill with a glass of Heineken, and a nice Broodje Haring, stay out of those Brown Cafes, and I will write a bit more about the DEI in future instalments.
 
Hi Spencerj345.346, If you're suggesting the Dutch should be given all those Cruisers and Destroyers, they wouldn't be able to crew them, as they were struggling to crew what they had, and where do the RN and USN have these spare ships . If you're suggesting the RN and USN station some of their own ships there, remember Holland has played herself as a neutral country, which worked well in WW1, but has somewhat bitten them back in WW2. Which also means crews for ships and aircraft which would have come from the Netherlands, will no longer be coming. Furthermore, the RN is stretched painfully thin, and the USN is rapidly expanding her fleets, so both have none to spare.

You're right about a time machine from 1936, but who in their wildest minds then would predict the fall of France, and almost the rest of western Europe to the Germans, including little neutral Holland.
could ship in the needed crew from the netherlands proper with the metaknowledge from said time machine presumably. also by this point they're co belligerents with the UK.
 
Hi Parma, well at the moment, the Dutch are doing their best to help their hosts free occupied Europe, including Holland, from the grip of the Nazi's, and those submarines are highly thought of. If war breaks out with Japan, I'm sure at least some of them will go to defend the Dutch East Indies, as may Jacob van Heemskerck. Tromp is already out there, as I know you know, just trying to catch me out eh. But what I will say is, the Princess Irene Brigade will most defiantly not be going to the Far East, something has to remain to liberate Holland. So Parma, chill with a glass of Heineken, and a nice Broodje Haring, stay out of those Brown Cafes, and I will write a bit more about the DEI in future instalments.
:closedeyesmile:
I will take a cold Heineken, but I will skip the Haring
Cheers!
 
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Hi Parma, well at the moment, the Dutch are doing their best to help their hosts free occupied Europe, including Holland, from the grip of the Nazi's, and those submarines are highly thought of. If war breaks out with Japan, I'm sure at least some of them will go to defend the Dutch East Indies, as may Jacob van Heemskerck. Tromp is already out there, as I know you know, just trying to catch me out eh. But what I will say is, the Princess Irene Brigade will most defiantly not be going to the Far East, something has to remain to liberate Holland. So Parma, chill with a glass of Heineken, and a nice Broodje Haring, stay out of those Brown Cafes, and I will write a bit more about the DEI in future instalments.
@Fatboy Coxy

here is a list that might help you with the Dutch fleet:

CL De Ruyter SurabayaNetherlands
CL JavaPatrolling in the Gulf Of SiamNetherlands
CL TrompPatrolling in the area of Natuna - Badas IslandsNetherlands
CL SumatraSurabaya
Not In Commission
Netherlands
DD Van NessSurabayaNetherlands
DD BanckertSurabayaNetherlands
DD KortenaerSurabayaNetherlands
DD Piet HeinSurabayaNetherlands
DD EvertsonSurabayaNetherlands
DD Van GhentSurabayaNetherlands
DD Witte De WithUnmanned at Tarakan, Borneo.
Crew Of Van Ghent was Transferred to Witte De With
December 15 after Van Ghent Ran Aground And Lost
Netherlands
SS K-8Surabaya
Refitting
Netherlands
SS K-9Surabaya
Non operational
Was Put back In Service February 1942
Netherlands
SS K-10SurabayaNetherlands
SS K-11Patrolling in the area of Natuna - Badas IslandsNetherlands
SS K-12Patrolling in the area of Natuna - Badas IslandsNetherlands
SS K-13Patrolling in the area of Natuna - Badas IslandsNetherlands
SS K-14Patrolling in the Banda SeaNetherlands
SS K-15Patrolling in the Banda SeaNetherlands
SS K-16Patrolling in the Banda SeaNetherlands
SS K-17SurabayaNetherlands
SS K-18SurabayaNetherlands
SS O-16Patrolling in the Gulf Of SiamNetherlands
SS O-17Patrolling in the Gulf Of SiamNetherlands
SS O-19Patrolling in the Karimata StraitNetherlands
SS O-20Patrolling in the Karimata StraitNetherlands

 
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Errolwi

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Hi Errolwi, lets hope its the trainee pilot who has left the plane (with a parachute) and not the trainer!

Nice photo by the way!
I'm sure it is an instructor putting on a morale-raising show for the Volksraad!

Thanks, it's actually I while since I've seen that one display. I have seen another ex-NEIAF example more recently, but that is in a pure silver scheme rather than 1940 markings.
 
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