Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread
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Could work, either one would be good in that role. Mary Tudor the elder as Charles' wife could be interesting
Maybe… likely I would need to kill off Ferdinand II earlier OR get Charles to marry Anne of Hungary
Kellan and I were talking about Mary Tudor marrying Maximilian I after Louis XII
That would also be fascinating and a Habsburg line of English successors would be fun circa the 1540s
Ooh perhaps if Henry dosen't burn too many bridges he could get a Habsburg bride or proxy bride for his trouble too.
The bridges were already burned by Ferdinand and Charles. Still Maximilian could try to make offers and Charles would not say no if Henry accepted
Oh ho ho. Well, you have piqued my interest. Realistically, Mary's going to Scotland because there's no way in all of hell that Anne is letting Katherine's daughter get France when she wants that for her kids.
As for killing off Katherine - yeah, the sweat can take her easily enough. Remember, in 1528 Katherine is 43. By Tudor standards she is ancient so no-one would be surprised or shocked if it did finish her off. Hell, Henry could even use her death to bolster his marriage to Anne, especially if the divorce proceedings have begun: a sort of "See, now she has died of the Sweat like her true husband, my brother Arthur."
Not quite; Anne had four pregnancies in total.
Liz, 1533
A miscarriage/False Pregnancy in 1534 (Eustace Chapuys wrote to Charles V on 28 January reporting that Anne was pregnant. A letter from George Taylor to Lady Lisle dated the 27 April 1534 says that "The queen hath a goodly belly, praying our Lord to send us a prince". In July, Anne's brother, Lord Rochford, was sent on a diplomatic mission to France to ask for the postponement of a meeting between Henry VIII and Francis I because of Anne's condition: "being so far gone with child she could not cross the sea with the king". Chapuys backs this up in a letter dated 27 July, where he refers to Anne's pregnancy. We do not know what happened with this pregnancy as there is no evidence of the outcome. Dewhurst writes of how the pregnancy could have resulted in a miscarriage or stillbirth, but there is no evidence to support this, he therefore wonders if it was a case of pseudocyesis, a false pregnancy, caused by the stress that Anne was under – the pressure to provide a son. Chapuys wrote on 27 September 1534 "Since the king began to doubt whether his lady was enceinte or not, he has renewed and increased the love he formerly had for a beautiful damsel of the court". Muriel St Clair Byrne, editor of the Lisle Letters, believes that this was a false pregnancy too.)
Miscarriage in 1535 (The only evidence for a miscarriage in 1535 is a sentence from a letter from Sir William Kingston to Lord Lisle on 24 June 1535 when Kingston says "Her Grace has as fair a belly as I have ever seen".)
Miscarriage in 1536 (Chapuys reported to Charles V on 10 February 1536 that Anne Boleyn had miscarried on the day of Catherine of Aragon's funeral: "On the day of the interment [of Catherine of Aragon] the concubine [Anne] had an abortion which seemed to be a male child which she had not borne 3 1/2 months")
Elizabeth, yes, but if she had a little sister around 1540/1541, she'd be just about perfect for Francis II.
IOTL Anne wanted Charles II if Orleans (b.1523), youngest son of King Francis I, for Elizabeth and he was ten years older than she was. So the age thing isn’t really much of a problem.
Likely she will not be the one deciding Mary's marriage (and Mary is the only Tudor princess of suitable age for that generation's French prince....)