Alternate Politicians - After 1900
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I’ll do 32 now and you can try to see it again:
Name: Albert E. Ottinger
Date of Birth: September 10, 1878
Date of Death: March 13, 1945 (age 66)
Political Party: Republican
List of Offices Held:
Member of the New York State Senate from the 18th district (1917-1918)
U.S. Assistant Attorney General (1921-1924)
Attorney General of New York (1925-1928)
Governor of New York (January 1, 1929 - January 1, 1933)
President of the United States (January 20, 1933 - March 13, 1945)
Extra notes:
- ITTL, Ottinger’s heart attack from OTL is not fatal enough to kill him, so he lives. In 1945, he suffers a second, stronger heart attack, likely brought on by his 4 terms in office, which kills him
(A/N: Part 8 of people from this post.)
(A/N 2: Also @MNM041, you’re right about 45 - that is an exception in the system)
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Name: Kristjan Valdimar "Val" Bjornson
Date of Birth: August 29, 1906
Date of Death: March 10, 1987 (age 80)
Political Party: Republican
List of Offices Held:
Minnesota State Treasurer (January 2, 1951 - January 3, 1955)
Senator from Minnesota (January 3, 1955 - December 29, 1964)
Senate Majority Whip (January 3, 1961 – December 29, 1964)
Vice President of the United States (January 20, 1965 - January 20, 1969)
(A/N: Part 9 of people mentioned in this post.)
Once I saw Jerry Voorhis and noticed that every alternate president is from the exact same state as the OTL President during that term I suspected that it was probably that whoever ran against a President from OTL replaces that person as President from during the time period that they served IOTL.
Basically the pattern is whatever the last job the OTL president had, instead the guy they beat to get that job became president.
We have a winner! (well, two winners actually)🎉🎊
Here are all the confirmed patterns so far:
- Albert E. Ottinger ran against FDR for governor of New York in 1928
- Jack Porter ran against Lyndon B. Johnson for Senator of Texas in 1948
- Val Bjornson ran against future VP Hubert Humphrey for Senator of Minnesota in 1954
- Vincent Celeste ran against John F. Kennedy for Senator of Massachusetts in 1958
- Frank Briscoe ran against George H.W. Bush for Congress in 1966
- Hal Suit ran against Jimmy Carter for governor of Georgia in 1970
- A. Lynn Lowe ran against Bill Clinton for governor of Arkansas in 1978
- Jill Long Thompson ran against future VP Dan Quayle for Senator of Indiana in 1986
- M. Jane Brady ran against the future VP Biden for Senator of Delaware in 1990
Ah, 34 would make more sense. Yeah that one I had to struggle with so it is probably an exception to the pattern.
The way I see it, to figure out who he replaces from OTL, look at what he did, and look at who replaced him at it.
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Name: Victor Henderson Ashe II
Date of Birth: January 1, 1945 (age 77)
Political Party: Republican
List of Offices Held:
Member of the Tennessee House of Representatives (1968 - 1974)
Member of the Tennessee Senate from Knox County (January 1975 - 1984)
Senator from Tennessee (January 3, 1985 - January 2, 1993)
Vice President of the United States (January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001)
(A/N: Part 10 of people mentioned in this post.)
Name: Jerry Voorhis
Date of Birth: April 6, 1901
Date of Death: September 11, 1984 (age 83)
Political Party: Socialist (prior to 1934), Democratic (1934 - 1984)
List of Offices Held:
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from California’s 12th district (January 3, 1937 - January 1, 1953)
Vice President of the United States (January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1961)
President of the United States (January 20, 1969 - August 9, 1974)
Extra notes:
- In 1973-74, President Voorhis became the victim of a massive political scandal known as “Sovietgate”. As he faced impeachment on possible conspiracy charges, Voorhis chose to resign instead on August 9, 1974, making him the first president in U.S. history to do so
(A/N: Part 11 of people mentioned in this post.)
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Name: Arthur Joseph Goldberg
Date of Birth: August 8, 1908
Date of Death: January 19, 1990 (age 81)
Political Party: Democratic
List of Offices Held:
Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States (April 17, 1958 - January 18, 1969)
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (January 20, 1969 - February 15, 1970)
Governor of New York (January 1, 1971 - December 18, 1974)
Vice President of the United States (December 19, 1974 - January 20, 1977)
Extra notes:
- Appointed to SCOTUS in 1958 due to being nominated by President Fackenthal to replace judge John J. Parker (who was appointed to SCOTUS himself by President Ottinger in the 1930's), who died a month prior
- Resigned from SCOTUS in 1969 after being nominated by President Voorhis to be the ambassador to the UN
- Resigned from his position as ambassador to the UN in 1970 in order to run for Governor of New York
- Nominated as Vice President by President McLaughlin in 1974, after former president Voorhis' resignation
(A/N: Part 12 of people mentioned in this post.)
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(Mahoney during his campaign trail for Governor of Maryland, 1966)
Name: George Perry Mahoney
Date of Birth: December 16, 1901
Date of Death: March 18, 1989 (age 87)
Political Party: Democratic
List of Offices Held:
Governor of Maryland (January 25, 1967 – January 7, 1969)
Vice President of the United States (January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973)
Extra notes:
- Did not run for re-election with President Voorhis in 1972; was replaced on the ballot with Rep. James H. McLaughlin (R-MI) as a result
(A/N: Part 13 of people mentioned in this post.)
Name: Manvel Humphrey Davis
Date of Birth: April 7, 1891
Date of Death: February 10, 1959 (age 67)
Political Party: Republican
List of Offices Held:
Member of the Missouri House of Representatives (1924 - 1928)
Senator from Missouri (January 3, 1941 - January 17, 1945)
Vice President of the United States (January 20, 1945 - March 13, 1945)
President of the United States (March 13, 1945 - January 20, 1953)
(A/N: Part 14 of people mentioned in this post.)
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Thanks for adding it! I'll try to put it in the original post now.
Fun fact about this guy. If he actually was elected, he'd be the first Jewish President of the United States. If the United States still entered WWII in this timeline, I'm pretty sure that would count be the ultimate act of karma for Hitler and his army.
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Name: Moana Pozzi
Date of Birth: April 27, 1961
Political Party: Love Party (1991-1994) Radical Party (1994-2016) [1] Progressive Party (2016-Present)
List of offices held:
Leader of the Love Party (1991-1994) [2]
Mayor of Ovada, as a Radical Party member (1995-1999) [3]
Mayor of Alessandria, as a Radical Party member (1999-2003)
President of the Province of Alessandria, as a center-left coalition member (2003-2007)
President of the Region of Piedmont, as a center-left coalition member (2007-2011, 2011-2015)
Minister of Labour and Social Policies, as leader of the Progressive Party (2018-2022) [4]
Prime Minister (2022-Present) [5]
[1] Including the various Bonino/Pannella-led coalitions and lists, they're too many to count;
[2] OTL;
[3] The POD; she falls ill, but doesn't die - she drops porn entirely, chooses to focus on politics instead;
[4] Basically, a spiritual successor of the old PCI, minus the Communist symbology, and quite a few Radical Party social policies;
[5] By now, Italy is unrecognizable; the ball started rolling when a few key people surviving in the late 20th century, a more thorough Clean Hands investigation, and a way bloodier version of the Mafia War (both feeding into each other) not only obliterated the country's political class, boosting formerly smaller parties not tainted by Cold War-era corruption, but also resulted in a high degree of instability, with the Mafia War becoming a War on the Mafia. By 2022, Italy is a de facto federation, with several more provinces and regions than in OTL gaining autonomous status, due to a much stronger Lega Nord in the 1990s, whose economic and social policies tend to be democratic socialist in nature, except blue and white collar crime is dealt with in a manner closer to that of Singapore than to that of most other EU countries - and don't ask what happened to the children of those Mafia bosses that were mowed down by police and army back in the 1990s: when asked about it, former PM Peppino Impastato coldly stated, "they had it coming". He never specified who "they" were.
Wow. So that means capital punishment (or life in prison without parole) for cocaine possession and caning if you are caught vandalizing vehicles.
More like, if you get caught taking bribes, it's almost certain you will end up in jail for years and, if you get caught doing crime of the organized variety, it's almost certain you will be in an isolation cell for life; the democratic socialist consensus has cleaned up the police's act somewhat, but treatment of that kind of prisoner, it's become worse, if anything, since several prominent people that would've been murdered by the Mafia IRL not only survived, but developed a Bruce Wayne-like obsession with crime, with less prominent civilians taking the Frank Castle approach instead - this Mafia War saw plenty of southerners snap, since the reveal that the State and the Mafia were one (instead of the Mafia being what protected them from the State) resulted in several towns killing the local mafiosi and establishing their own councils, along the lines of similar experiments in Mexico.
On the bright side, the sudden, uh, decline in population in the South, and the wide availability of former Mafia-owned resources, kind of made the early 1990s migrant wave from Albania and Romania easier for the locals to deal with, since the newcomers were cared for by those councils (that were made legal and official by PM Impastato, an OTL Mafia victim and far-left politician) and settled in places they could integrate more easily when feasible - with a lot of Albanians settling in or near Arbereshe communities, something that probably caused some amusement on both sides, since the Arbereshe are more Sicilian than Albanian by now, and what few speakers of the dialect remain, it's a very archaic form of Albanian - an Albanian colleague of my father's said it's like hearing Skanderbeg himself speak.
By now, Italy might resemble a slightly poorer Switzerland to some extent - federalized (more along the lines of Spain, where it's unitary by law, but federal in practice), somewhat orderly (not too much, this is Italy after all - if there's a law, it will be broken), and with a way better record on migrant rights: kind of reluctant to let in too many people inside the country, with harsh quotas being in place, but once they're in, there's some ironclad anti-discrimination laws protecting everyone regardless of ethnicity or creed, more or less the opposite of what's happening today, where the government lets everyone in, but doesn't do shit for them, so they end up in skeevy ghettos or, worse, "employed" by the Mafia.