Maybe the normans go all the way and rename the island Normandy to keep the trend going
What is a common thing or trope that always seem to happen?
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Maxell
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Well thing is that that regardless of who it is or what it was, Americans will not be as critical of militarism and the "military industrial complex" should the US have any nearby existential threat. Not only the CSA, but practically as long as there are powers that could shake up the Monroe doctrine, like a more powerful Brazilian empire of a survivng Spanish empire.
danteheadman
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Always, always, always there is Christianity.
It doesn't matter the POD. It doesn't matter if the Roman Empire is butterflied away. It doesn't matter if Jews and Judea are butterflied away. Christian and post-Christian secular Westerners writing TLs about the Mediterranean two thousand years ago will always find some way to make something that looks like Christianity appear.
It's baffling.
It doesn't matter the POD. It doesn't matter if the Roman Empire is butterflied away. It doesn't matter if Jews and Judea are butterflied away. Christian and post-Christian secular Westerners writing TLs about the Mediterranean two thousand years ago will always find some way to make something that looks like Christianity appear.
It's baffling.
In fairness, if you are religious you might believe in the inevitability of your religion.
But if you belong to the 'all moral people go to heaven/moksha/nirvana irrespective of religion (or lack thereof)' school of thinking, then you might not believe that at all. That being said, pagan Europe outside of Roman and Germanic areas can be diifficult to reconstruct.
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danteheadman
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It doesn't matter what someone believes. It's repetitive, frankly ASB, and indicative of a lack of imagination by the writers who do it.
How would you create something unlike Christianity but which serves its purpose?
danteheadman
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What was the "purpose" of Christianity? Assuming the Roman Empire and it's condition 2k years ago isn't butterflied away (and so your question about "[Christianity's] purpose" carries meaning), perhaps we can say that the purpose of the Empire's adoption of Christianity was "we need a unifying ideology to unite disparate peoples under Romanitas to prevent the Empire from collapsing." Ignoring the fact that Christianity essentially failed in that goal, in that Christianity was perpetually plagued by sectarianism, the empire in the West did collapse, and the Germanic invaders in the West were a competing sect of Christianity, here are a few options:
- Doubling down on polytheistic syncretism and a "Mandate of Heaven" structure where the Roman military bureaucracy is theologically mirrored by a heavenly host of gods and goddesses under a singular deity (Jupiter or Mars) or the Jupiter-Juno-Minerva triad
- Buddhism
- Judaism
- Sol Invictus, only explicit and not carrying either Pauline baggage about Jews or Jesus' "turn the other cheek" pacificm
- Neoplatonic monism and philosophy
- Any of the other competing mystery cults
- Literally anything else
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How exactly Rome could become Buddhist. The another religions I can see, but Buddhism puzzles me
This is going to sound odd but Poland but not for the reason you think. I admit I do see Polish independence as like Sun at sen's dream and ideals for China they kept trying till they succeed while sure not fated to happen proved it would take decades before they gave up and add in the situation in Europe since 1900s well they have plenty of chances with the conflicts that where being played. Jozef Pilsudski for example after all did plan a uprising in the Japanese war, was a leading insurgent group since 1905 that had Austrian backing and tried to do a general uprising at the start of the war. As long as a very dedicated minority keep trying a Polish state does have a definite chance.
However Poland does seem to tend to fall into to categories, either it's got the OTL borders and situation or PLC despite the many, many plans and territorial ideas for it as a state and the mad scramble for land that occurred following WW1 across Europe.
For example a Polish state based in modern Lithuania trying to dominate the Baltics is very possible, a Polish based in Kiev likely joined around the hip to Romania could occur, a Poland based in Galicia Lviv very much feuding with with the Czechoslovakia and allied to Hungary with the goal of crushing them can be done.
However Poland does seem to tend to fall into to categories, either it's got the OTL borders and situation or PLC despite the many, many plans and territorial ideas for it as a state and the mad scramble for land that occurred following WW1 across Europe.
For example a Polish state based in modern Lithuania trying to dominate the Baltics is very possible, a Polish based in Kiev likely joined around the hip to Romania could occur, a Poland based in Galicia Lviv very much feuding with with the Czechoslovakia and allied to Hungary with the goal of crushing them can be done.
the PLC fell of its own accord, due to a bizarre form of government and the incompetence of the nobility