More than Meets the Eye: An OPEN COLLAB DISCUSSION TL By Otakuninja2006

Famous Studios Anime Dubs as of 1990
Paramount's Anime Dubs as of 1990:

Television Shows:

  1. Star Blazers(Space Battleship Yamato), 1979-1981, Syndication
  2. Lupin the Third Part 1, 1984-1985, HBO
  3. Cobra the Space Adventurer, 1985, HBO
  4. Lupin the Third Part 2, 1985-1989, HBO
  5. Lensman: Galactic Patrol, 1986-1987, Syndication
  6. Magical Star Emi, 1987-1988, Nickelodeon
  7. Lupin the Third: Part 3, 1989-1990, HBO
  8. Fist of the North Star, 1990-1991, HBO
  9. Magic Idol Yumi, 1990, Nickelodeon
  10. Pop Star Creamy(Creamy Mami, the Magic Angel), Starting Fall 1990, Nickelodeon
Movie/OVAs:
  1. Star Blazers: The Movie(1981)
  2. Farewell to Star Blazers(1982)
  3. Star Blazers: The New Voyage(1983)
  4. Star Blazers Forever(1984)
  5. Lupin the Third: The Mystery of Ammo(1985)
  6. Cobra the Space Adventurer Movie(1985)
  7. 5: Star Blazers Final(1985)
  8. Lupin the Third: The Castle of Cagliostro(1986)
  9. Lensman(1986)
  10. Lupin the Third Legend of the Gold of Babylon(1987)
  11. Lupin the Third: The Fuma Conspiracy(1989)
  12. Akira(1989)
  13. Fist of the North Star: The Movie(1990)
Dubs Coming Soon:
  1. Captain Tsubasa(Premiering in 1991 on Nickelodeon)
  2. Paltabor(Premiering in 1991 on The Warner-Paramount Channel)
  3. Paltabor the Movie(Premiering in 1991)
  4. Wicked City(Premiering in 1992)
Yes, I did bring back the Famous Studios branding for their anime division because, why not?

With what they have and could dub in the years to come, I feel that Famous Studios would become TTL's ADV Films, but ADV would still exist.

Yes, and FOTNS will keep it's famous memes ITTL.

Thoughts?
 
Paramount's Anime Dubs as of 1990:

Television Shows:

  1. Star Blazers(Space Battleship Yamato), 1979-1981, Syndication
  2. Lupin the Third Part 1, 1984-1985, HBO
  3. Cobra the Space Adventurer, 1985, HBO
  4. Lupin the Third Part 2, 1985-1989, HBO
  5. Lensman: Galactic Patrol, 1986-1987, Syndication
  6. Magical Star Emi, 1987-1988, Nickelodeon
  7. Lupin the Third: Part 3, 1989-1990, HBO
  8. Fist of the North Star, 1990-1991, HBO
  9. Magic Idol Yumi, 1990, Nickelodeon
  10. Pop Star Creamy(Creamy Mami, the Magic Angel), Starting Fall 1990, Nickelodeon
Movie/OVAs:
  1. Star Blazers: The Movie(1981)
  2. Farewell to Star Blazers(1982)
  3. Star Blazers: The New Voyage(1983)
  4. Star Blazers Forever(1984)
  5. Lupin the Third: The Mystery of Ammo(1985)
  6. Cobra the Space Adventurer Movie(1985)
  7. 5: Star Blazers Final(1985)
  8. Lupin the Third: The Castle of Cagliostro(1986)
  9. Lensman(1986)
  10. Lupin the Third Legend of the Gold of Babylon(1987)
  11. Lupin the Third: The Fuma Conspiracy(1989)
  12. Akira(1989)
  13. Fist of the North Star: The Movie(1990)
Dubs Coming Soon:
  1. Captain Tsubasa(Premiering in 1991 on Nickelodeon)
  2. Paltabor(Premiering in 1991 on The Warner-Paramount Channel)
  3. Paltabor the Movie(Premiering in 1991)
  4. Wicked City(Premiering in 1992)
Yes, I did bring back the Famous Studios branding for their anime division because, why not?

With what they have and could dub in the years to come, I feel that Famous Studios would become TTL's ADV Films, but ADV would still exist.

Yes, and FOTNS will keep it's famous memes ITTL.

Thoughts?
This is an interesting turn of events.

Lupin III, Star Blazers, Creamy Mami, Fist of the North Star, Patlabor, Captain Tsubasa, Lensman, and Akira?

With a catalog like this, especially the generations-spanning Lupin III, the new Famous Studios just might be better than its original counterpart.

No joke here, I'm legitimately surprised by the star power we have here.
 
That's Seven Arts.
Ok.
And while we're waiting until 9, I came up with a potential first year for the Warner Paramount Network, from January to September 1995.

I used various parts of what Warner Bros. and Paramount were producing for TV at the time, especially by combining UPN and The WB into one network, and even dismantling PTEN early and using its parts to boost the WPN lineup.

I'd figure that Entertainment Tonight, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective: The Animated Series, and Rugrats could be the new-to-this-timeline highlights on WPN for the coming Fall 1995 season.
That's all nice, but why is Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life here?

Overall, this is a very nice launch schedule....

BTW UPN doesn't exist ITTL, so you can fill up the rest of the week as well.
 
This is an interesting turn of events.
Sure is!
Lupin III, Star Blazers, Creamy Mami, Fist of the North Star, Patlabor, Captain Tsubasa, Lensman, and Akira?
And if you want, you can add Marine Boy, Speed Racer and Mazinger from the Warner Bros. side after the merger.
With a catalog like this, especially the generations-spanning Lupin III, the new Famous Studios just might be better than its original counterpart.
And that is EXACTLY how I intend this incarnation of Famous Studios to go.
No joke here, I'm legitimately surprised by the star power we have here.
Thanks a bunch!
 
Agreed.
And if you want, you can add Marine Boy, Speed Racer and Mazinger from the Warner Bros. side after the merger.
You know, I actually would. And those three in particular could use a good redub from Famous.
And that is EXACTLY how I intend this incarnation of Famous Studios to go.
I agree.
Thanks a bunch!
You're welcome.
You asked what Seven Arts was, and I delivered.
That's all nice, but why is Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life here?
Those were there for a few reasons:
-Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life are the most adult Nicktoons as of Early 1995.
-The WB and UPN already represent Warner and Paramount's halves for the moment, so having Games Animation get some time to itself would be fitting.
-Having an hour of animation, followed by a movie presentation, would be perfect for Sunday Nights. At least, during the midseason when The WB only had a Wednesday Night block.
-Airing Ren and Stimpy and Rocko on WPN would count as a test market to see if Kids WP could air on Sunday mornings in addition to Saturdays and weekdays.
Overall, this is a very nice launch schedule....
Thank you!
BTW UPN doesn't exist ITTL, so you can fill up the rest of the week as well.
The thing about that is, with Warner Bros. and Paramount merging before 1990, it would seem almost too easy to merge The WB, UPN, and PTEN into one broadcast network. So, that's exactly what I did.

I also had a Friday Night lineup with a final renewal for Full House(which nearly happened IOTL), a better timeslot for Sister, Sister's first month or two on the air, and even new homes for Family Matters and Step By Step.
In particular, I'd argue that Family Matters might have actually done well in The WB's initial African American demographic, since Urkel was quickly becoming the show's protagonist at that point, and Jaleel White was an African American as well.
 
Warner-Paramount Communications assets as of 1990
While we are on the topic:

Warner-Paramount Communications assets as of 1990:
  • Warner Bros. Pictures
  • Paramount Pictures
  • Gulf+Western Pictures
  • Warner-Paramount Television
  • Gulf+Western Television
  • Six Flags
  • DC Comics
  • Watermountain Records
  • Warner-Paramount Networks
    • The Warner-Paramount Channel
    • Trax
    • Nickelodeon
      • Neptune [1](Coming in 1994)
    • Showtime
      • The Movie Channel
    • The Comedy Channel(half & half between WP Networks group and Showtime)
  • Warner-Paramount Animation
  • Games Animation
  • Famous Studios(anime dubbing division)
  • Lorimar-Telepictures(50% with Capital Cities-ABC Corporation)
Agreed.

You know, I actually would. And those three in particular could use a good redub from Famous.

I agree.

You're welcome.

You asked what Seven Arts was, and I delivered.
Yep.
Those were there for a few reasons:
-Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life are the most adult Nicktoons as of Early 1995.
-The WB and UPN already represent Warner and Paramount's halves for the moment, so having Games Animation get some time to itself would be fitting.
-Having an hour of animation, followed by a movie presentation, would be perfect for Sunday Nights. At least, during the midseason when The WB only had a Wednesday Night block.
-Airing Ren and Stimpy and Rocko on WPN would count as a test market to see if Kids WP could air on Sunday mornings in addition to Saturdays and weekdays.
Well I guess those are good reasons, and I can also see Famous Studios having a dub or 2 in The WP's primetime lineup.
Thank you!
You're welcome.
The thing about that is, with Warner Bros. and Paramount merging before 1990, it would seem almost too easy to merge The WB, UPN, and PTEN into one broadcast network. So, that's exactly what I did.

I also had a Friday Night lineup with a final renewal for Full House(which nearly happened IOTL), a better timeslot for Sister, Sister's first month or two on the air, and even new homes for Family Matters and Step By Step.
In particular, I'd argue that Family Matters might have actually done well in The WB's initial African American demographic, since Urkel was quickly becoming the show's protagonist at that point, and Jaleel White was an African American as well.
Those are all good ideas.

[1] Used with permission from Geekhis Khan
 
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Warner-Paramount Communications assets as of 1990:
  • Warner Bros. Pictures
  • Paramount Pictures
  • Gulf+Western Pictures
  • Warner-Paramount Television
  • Gulf+Western Television
  • Six Flags
  • DC Comics
  • Watermountain Records
  • Warner-Paramount Networks
    • The Warner-Paramount Channel
    • Encore
    • Trax
    • Nickelodeon
    • The Comedy Channel
    • Neptune[1](Coming in 1994)
  • Warner-Paramount Animation
  • Games Animation
  • Famous Studios(anime dubbing division)
  • Lorimar-Telepictures(50% with Capital Cities-ABC Corporation)
This is all good, but if Six Flags is owned by Warner-Paramount in 1990, could we see a Six Flags Movie World park in the U.S.?
Well I guess those are good reasons, and I can also see Famous Studios having a dub or 2 in The WP's primetime lineup.
I actually disagree with this. Between The Warner-Paramount Channel, Nickelodeon, and the upcoming Neptune, I don't think The WP would be the first choice for a new Famous Studios dub. Reruns of an earlier dub, yes. A brand new dub, no.
Those are all good ideas.
Granted, I already made those plans in the document, but I'm glad you think they're good.
 
This is all good, but if Six Flags is owned by Warner-Paramount in 1990, could we see a Six Flags Movie World park in the U.S.?
What's that?
I actually disagree with this. Between The Warner-Paramount Channel, Nickelodeon, and the upcoming Neptune, I don't think The WP would be the first choice for a new Famous Studios dub. Reruns of an earlier dub, yes. A brand new dub, no.
Why not? I think 1 new dub would fit with The WP's adult animation lineup:

8:00 Mission Hill
8:30 The Oblongs
9:00 The PJs
9:30 Cowboy Bebop(ITTL, I would have a different ratings system, and this is just a example)

Granted, I already made those plans in the document, but I'm glad you think they're good.
Thanks!

Expect several updates tomorrow:
  • The TV and Movie Ratings System
  • Disney Anime Dubs as of 1990
  • Time Grand Anime Dubs as of 1990
Stay tuned.
 
What's that?
Because we could have a Warner Bros. Movie World park in the U.S. if we use the Six Flags banner, and Nickelodeon Studios could have a new home if Universal doesn't want to spend the money to have an entire attraction/studio that they don't own the brand for. It benefits parkgoers of the past and present.
Why not? I think 1 new dub would fit with The WP's adult animation lineup:
I mean, I won't say no to anime in primetime, but maybe cable would be a more beneficial outlet for anime dubs in the 90s and beyond.
8:00 Mission Hill
8:30 The Oblongs
9:00 The PJs
9:30 Cowboy Bebop(ITTL, I would have a different ratings system, and this is just a example)
This is a pretty good lineup for The WP's adult animation outlet. Best of all, it's a realistic lineup for the time. Yes, even with Cowboy Bebop on it.
Expect several updates tomorrow:
  • The TV and Movie Ratings System
  • Disney Anime Dubs as of 1990
  • Time Grand Anime Dubs as of 1990
Stay tuned.
I will. You already said the ratings system would be different, and if any companies would be good ways to top Warner-Paramount, Disney and Time-Grand would be the two best examples.
 
Because we could have a Warner Bros. Movie World park in the U.S. if we use the Six Flags banner, and Nickelodeon Studios could have a new home if Universal doesn't want to spend the money to have an entire attraction/studio that they don't own the brand for. It benefits parkgoers of the past and present.
Ok. That would be a good idea.
I mean, I won't say no to anime in primetime, but maybe cable would be a more beneficial outlet for anime dubs in the 90s and beyond.
Well, I guess you might be right about that, but this TL is more experimental and out there than normal......
This is a pretty good lineup for The WP's adult animation outlet. Best of all, it's a realistic lineup for the time. Yes, even with Cowboy Bebop on it.
Oh....

Thanks.
I will. You already said the ratings system would be different, and if any companies would be good ways to top Warner-Paramount, Disney and Time-Grand would be the two best examples.
Yep.

Expect one in the afternoon, one in the evening and one at night. I would do one in the morning, but I like to sleep in a bit.
 
Ok. That would be a good idea.
Thank you.
Well, I guess you might be right about that, but this TL is more experimental and out there than normal......
I understand that notion.
Oh....

Thanks.
You're welcome.
Yep.

Expect one in the afternoon, one in the evening and one at night. I would do one in the morning, but I like to sleep in a bit.
Fair enough.
 
Ratings System ITTL
TV Ratings:
  • E: For Everyone
  • eC: Early Childhood-Intended for younger children
  • C: Children of all ages
  • 7: Not Recommended for children under 7
  • Y: Intended for older children
  • PG: Parental Guidance Suggested for younger viewers
  • T: Not Recommended/Suitable for anyone under the age of 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under the age of 15
  • MA: Mature Audiences Only(18 and up)
  • X: Restricted
Movie Ratings
  • E: For Everyone
  • PG: Parental Guidance Suggested for younger viewers
  • T: Parental Guidance Suggested for anyone under 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under 15
  • R: Mature Audiences Only
  • X: Restricted
Video Game Ratings:
  • C: For Children of all ages.
  • E: For Everyone
  • Y: For older children and up
  • T: Guidance Suggested for anyone under 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under 15
  • M: 18 and up
  • X: Restricted
These are the ratings for my TL.

Thoughts?
 
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TV Ratings:
  • G: General Audiences
  • eC: Early Childhood-Intended for younger children
  • C: Children of all ages
  • 7: Not Recommended for children under 7
  • Y: Intended for older children
  • PG: Parental Guidance Suggested for younger viewers
  • T: Not Recommended/Suitable for anyone under the age of 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under the age of 15
  • MA: Mature Audiences Only(18 and up)
  • X: Restricted
Movie Ratings
  • G: General Audiences
  • PG: Parental Guidance Suggested for younger viewers
  • T: Parental Guidance Suggested for anyone under 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under 15
  • R: Mature Audiences Only
  • X: Restricted
Video Game Ratings:
  • C: For Children of all ages.
  • G: For Everyone
  • Y: For older children and up
  • T: Guidance Suggested for anyone under 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under 15
  • M: 18 and up
  • X: Restricted
These are the ratings for my TL.

Thoughts?
If TV now includes a G rating, does this mean that primetime animation would air on more broadcast networks than Fox?

Would the children's programming ratings range between eC and PG?

I like the greater value of movie ratings here, since this could mean that PG as a film score would mean more today ITTL.

Overall, this is an improvement over the system we have IOTL.
 
If TV now includes a G rating, does this mean that primetime animation would air on more broadcast networks than Fox?
Um. G has always been a rating, but yes, I will reassure that adult/primetime animation gets as much recognition and success as it can and deserves.
Would the children's programming ratings range between eC and PG?
G, eC, C, 7, Y, PG, T and to some extent(i.e. late-night hours, specifically on blocks like Adult Swim and N-Gage, 15). 15 would be the highest rating a kids/family/all-ages animation station and broadcast networks and stations can air.
I like the greater value of movie ratings here, since this could mean that PG as a film score would mean more today ITTL.
Whatcha mean by that?
Overall, this is an improvement over the system we have IOTL.
Thanks a bunch!
 
Harmony Gold Anime Dubs as of 1990
I also forgot that ITTL, MTV, Showtime and The Movie Channel would remain with Warner-Paramount.

Disney Anime Dubs as of 1990:
  • Doraemon(1979), 1985-present, Disney Channel, moving to Toon Disney in 1992.
  • The entire Harmony Gold library
  • The entire Studio Ghibli library
I know it's not much, but it's a good start.

Thoughts?
 
Um. G has always been a rating, but yes, I will reassure that adult/primetime animation gets as much recognition and success as it can and deserves.
Thank goodness!
G, eC, C, 7, Y, PG, T and to some extent(i.e. late-night hours, specifically on blocks like Adult Swim and N-Gage, 15). 15 would be the highest rating a kids/family/all-ages animation station and broadcast networks and stations can air.
Good to know.
Whatcha mean by that?
Because I've heard that PG has become the new G when it comes to animated films.
Thanks a bunch!
You're welcome.
I also forgot that ITTL, MTV, Showtime and The Movie Channel would remain with Warner-Paramount.
That would explain why Nickelodeon is a Warner-Paramount subsidiary as well.
Disney Anime Dubs as of 1990:
  • Doraemon(1979), 1985-present, Disney Channel, moving to Toon Disney in 1992.
  • The entire Harmony Gold library
  • The entire Studio Ghibli library
I know it's not much, but it's a good start.

Thoughts?
I know it's not that much. But Doraemon, Robotech, and Totoro are a really good starting lineup for the first five years of their attempts.

If I may suggest some upcoming shows, how about these:
-Hamtaro
-Pokemon
-Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
-Chibi Maruko-chan
-Crayon Shin-chan
-Sailor Moon
-Hime-chan no Ribbon
-Yadamon
-Slam Dunk
-Magical Circle Guru Guru
-Detective Conan
-The Vision of Escaflowne
-The Dog of Flanders
-Flint the Time Detective
-Hunter x Hunter
-Magical DoReMi
-Naruto
-My Hero Academia
-Princess Tutu
-Tokyo Mew Mew
-Tokyo Godfathers
-Anpanman
-Doraemon (2005)
-Ouran High School Host Club
-Lucky Star
-Stitch!
-Stitch and Ai
-Bakuman
-Fairy Tail
-Spy x Family
-Jewelpet (franchise)
-Wolf Children
-Your Name
-Food Wars
-A Silent Voice
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations
-Little Witch Academia
-Dr. Stone
-Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba
-OddTaxi
-Polar Bear Cafe
-Cells at Work
-Komi Can't Communicate
-Tokyo Mew Mew Mew

Do you think this list is too long?
 
Video Game Ratings:
  • C: For Children of all ages.
  • G: For Everyone
  • Y: For older children and up
  • T: Guidance Suggested for anyone under 12
  • 15: Not Suitable for anyone under 15
  • M: 18 and up
  • X: Restricted
These are the ratings for my TL.

Thoughts?
Rated G for Everyone doesn't sound as catchy as Rated E for Everyone
 
Thank goodness!

Good to know.
Ok.
Because I've heard that PG has become the new G when it comes to animated films.
I see that.....
You're welcome.
Ok.
That would explain why Nickelodeon is a Warner-Paramount subsidiary as well.
Yeah, and I basically butterflied Viacom becoming a mass media company, I might have Viacom itself get brought out by one of the majors eventually.
I know it's not that much. But Doraemon, Robotech, and Totoro are a really good starting lineup for the first five years of their attempts.
Yep.
If I may suggest some upcoming shows, how about these:
-Hamtaro
Hamtaro will definitely be dubbed by Disney!
-Pokemon
-Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
I have plans for Nintendo's entertainment.....

Stay tuned, just know Disney won't be involved, if anything, Disney would actually buy Atari ITTL.
-Chibi Maruko-chan
Looks like something Disney might like.
-Crayon Shin-chan
Saban would dub Shin Chan, Ghost Stories, Zatch Bell!, Pretty Cure, Yu-Gi-Oh and Bobobo-Bobobo.
-Sailor Moon
Most definitely!!!!!!
-Hime-chan no Ribbon
Maybe, we'll see...
Yes.
-Slam Dunk
Likely Saban, maybe Famous Studios, maybe Time Grand(just need to find a good name for Time Grand's anime unit).
-Magical Circle Guru Guru
You know that Taito Enix concept we were shown? That's what I am going to do ITTL.

I was considering taking this to Saban or JOLT!
-Detective Conan
Definitely either Saban, Time Grand or Viz.
-The Vision of Escaflowne
Would likely come from [NAME REDACTED]'s own animation distribution unit (yes, [NAME REDACTED]would merge, just need to find a good name for [NAME REDACTED]'s animation distribution unit).
-The Dog of Flanders
Saban all the way.
-Flint the Time Detective
Still Saban.
-Hunter x Hunter
Either Viz and Famous Studios
-Magical DoReMi
I don't know who should take it....
Definitely NOT Disney, likely Saban and Viz.
-My Hero Academia
Likely Funimation(which would be brought by [NAME REDACTED]
-Princess Tutu
Likely ADV, they need something as well, especially without [NAME REDACTED] to help prop them up.
-Tokyo Mew Mew
Probably JOLT or.....

4Kids....
-Tokyo Godfathers
No, likely ADV or Crunchyroll.
-Anpanman
-Doraemon (2005)
Definitely, especially as the latter is a new version of the hit they already have now.
-Ouran High School Host Club
-Lucky Star
Likely Funimation and ADV respectively.
-Stitch!
-Stitch and Ai
Duh, obviously, Disney owns them, so it would be borderline insane for them to not dub a anime based off something they own.
Nope.
-Fairy Tail
Funimation and Saban.
-Spy x Family
Likely Crunchyroll.
-Jewelpet (franchise)
Nope.

Disney would have their own gaming properties to worry about.
-Wolf Children
-Your Name
Nope.
-Food Wars
Did you really just suggest Food Wars?
-A Silent Voice
I'm not sure.
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations
Whoever dubs Naruto will dub everything else related to this franchise.
-Little Witch Academia
Maybe....
-Dr. Stone
-Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba
Definitely not.
-OddTaxi
-Polar Bear Cafe
-Cells at Work
-Komi Can't Communicate
Not sure...
-Tokyo Mew Mew New
The same company that got the original will get the reboot.
Do you think this list is too long?
It's perfect!
Rated G for Everyone doesn't sound as catchy as Rated E for Everyone
I was just noting a example, but consider E for Everyone the new G rating.
 
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