was Elisabeth originally meant as Carlos' wife? She would be a better match for him than his father anyway, at least age wise
What if Henry VIII's children by his first three wives had had children/gotten married?
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Elisabeth could marry Carlos, but this would mean I'm back to the drawing board for a wife of Edward VI
Yes, she was intended for Carlos who was born the same year as her, but political necessities forced her to wed Philip instead. There's an opera about Don Carlos that portrays them as these very tragic star-crossed lovers but it isn't entirely accurate.
Interesting. Should she marry Carlos in this timeline? She has a lot of options, but reportedly the Pope at the time threatened to excommunicate her and her father if she married Edward VI, so it looks like she may need to steer towards Spain for a husband as iotl
Juana of Spain? Elisabeth's sister, Claude (as a second wife)? Ferdinand I's daughter Margaret, IOTL a nun?Elisabeth could marry Carlos, but this would mean I'm back to the drawing board for a wife of Edward VI
Claude may be possible. Margaret is as well, but reportedly she had a deep desire to stay unmarried, which I feel compelled to respect
That is true, well, Ferdinand had lots of daughtersClaude may be possible. Margaret is as well, but reportedly she had a deep desire to stay unmarried, which I feel compelled to respect
Yes. Eleanor was suggested before, and I may choose her as his wife. Though she is three years older than him, that's not so bad considering the alternatives. They certainly could have children without too many issuesThat is true, well, Ferdinand had lots of daughters
Three years older is not so bad especially as they would probably marry when he was around 14/15. Her mother only started having children at 23 and she had 15 children easily so therefore Eleanor could probably do likewise especially if she started younger.
Let's say like this:
Edward VI b. 1537 m. 1553 Eleanor of Austria b. 1534
1. Edward VII b. 1554 m. Margaret of Valois b. 1553
2. Jane b. 1555 m. Sebastian of Portugal b. 1554
3. miscarriage
4. Agnes [1] b. 1557 m. Rudolf II b. 1552
5. Henry b. 1558 d. 1558
6. miscarriage
7. Margaret b. 1560 m. Francis of Anjou b. 1555
8. miscarriage
9. Henry b. 1563 d. 1566
[1] Named for the saint
[2] Named
No. If Edward VI lived, he will be the one to marry Elisabeth. Don Carlos will need to find a bride elsewhere unless Edward is able to get Marie Stuart (who is sthe only match more convenient for him than Elisabeth)
Claude had physical defects so she is out of question for both Edward VI and don CarlosClaude may be possible. Margaret is as well, but reportedly she had a deep desire to stay unmarried, which I feel compelled to respect
that looks good to me! I appreciate the use of naming his eldest daughter after his mother as well
Felipe II of Spain b. 1527 m.1543 Maria Manuela of Portugal (A) b. 1527 m. 1546 Margaret of Valois (B) b. 1523
1a. Carlos, Prince of Asturias, b. 1545, d. 1568, m. 1563 Elisabeth of Valois b. 1545
1aa. Maria Manuela, b. 1564
1ab. Felipe Prospero, Prince of Asturias, b. 1566
1ac. Carlos, b. 1567, d. 1569
2b. Isabella Clara Eugenia, Infanta of Spain, b. 1548
2c. Fernando, Infante of Spain, b. 1550
2d. Diego Felix, Infante of Spain, b. 1553
2e. Catalina Micaela, Infanta of Spain, b. 1554
2f. Felipe, Infante of Spain, b. 1556, d. 1560
1a. Carlos, Prince of Asturias, b. 1545, d. 1568, m. 1563 Elisabeth of Valois b. 1545
1aa. Maria Manuela, b. 1564
1ab. Felipe Prospero, Prince of Asturias, b. 1566
1ac. Carlos, b. 1567, d. 1569
2b. Isabella Clara Eugenia, Infanta of Spain, b. 1548
2c. Fernando, Infante of Spain, b. 1550
2d. Diego Felix, Infante of Spain, b. 1553
2e. Catalina Micaela, Infanta of Spain, b. 1554
2f. Felipe, Infante of Spain, b. 1556, d. 1560
Fernando can probably marry Anna of Austria (Philip II's fourth wife IOTL)
No way who the eldest daughter of the Emperor (or really any daughter) would marry a younger son…
Well Elizabeth would NOT be free for him if she remained engaged to Edward who was her original match. I guess who Carlos will need to wait for either Anna of Austria or Elisabeth’s younger sister Marguerite
Carlos of Asturias would die young and therefore Fernando would be Philip's oldest son
I'm going off of OP's family tree. Carlos married and had one surviving daughter.
Best solution for this is for the rough wooing to succeed and Mary QoS growing up English rather than French. It might even prevent her from growing into a beautiful fool.
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