Oh well there goes one person who could speed up the creation of an independent air force for Germany. BTW how are things in the home front for Germany? I imagine that the SPD is making some noise like Labour did.3) Dead as a dodo
Oh well there goes one person who could speed up the creation of an independent air force for Germany. BTW how are things in the home front for Germany? I imagine that the SPD is making some noise like Labour did.3) Dead as a dodo
I think it safe to say this TL thoroughly subverts the trope of the idyllic Central Powers Victory right from the get goThanks! I'd reassure you but I feel that would be tooting one's trumpet a little too much. So I'll let @Godwin do it given he knows some of my plans - dramatic enough post war for you Godwin?
There still his brother... goring or this guy too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_von_der_Lieth-ThomsenOh well there goes one person who could speed up the creation of an independent air force for Germany. BTW how are things in the home front for Germany? I imagine that the SPD is making some noise like Labour did.
I think you got me wrong, I didn't say that I want non-stop action, quite the opposite actually, A Day In July is one of my favorite TL's and last I remember there isn't any big war in that TL so far. What I was talking about is that I see far too many CP victory timelines make the world from Germany victory in WW1 to the modern day be little different, which is something I consider it to be both boring for a reader and unrealistic.Personally, as a reader, I would take plausibility over non-stop action any time in the post 1900 forum. And tbh, we have a rich history of timelines with intriguing post-war political and economic developments, and some of them are even CP victory timelines (like A Day In July; yes, I collaborated with it, but I only did so because I was already in love with the product, so ). I'm more than confident that TheReformer will be able to execute whatever story they wish to tell.
Makes sense!I think you got me wrong, I didn't say that I want non-stop action, quite the opposite actually, A Day In July is one of my favorite TL's and last I remember there isn't any big war in that TL so far. What I was talking about is that I see far too many CP victory timelines make the world from Germany victory in WW1 to the modern day be little different, which is something I consider it to be both boring for a reader and unrealistic.
So, without the ‘Spanish’ Flu could Germany have taken Paris ITTL?Despite Clemenceau's initial assurance that even with the fall of Paris France would fight on, ironically the German Army had no realistic chance of actually taking the city. In fact, it is almost certain that had France established a new consolidated frontline German forces would have almost certainly halted at the Ourcq and gone no further. They simply didnt have the men, logistical structures or resources. This was because German forces were being butchered by the ‘Spanish’ Flu, and by now almost all of its stormtrooper troops had been killed. Despite this, advances down both banks of the Oise prompted the line north of the Marne to begin to wind up - pushing French forces south of the river and creating a large, pointing salient in front of Nanteuil-le-haudoui - just 40km from Paris.
Not really - Because to take it is either to engage in Parisgrad (which you know, they wouldn't do, and the French would give up) or, to surround it, which is just beyond any version of Germany that late in the war, and of course, the reality is once short range Artillery can range Paris, the French are going to give up.So, without the ‘Spanish’ Flu could Germany have taken Paris ITTL?
The only thing the multiverse hates more then modern Italy winning is Austria-Hungary winningok, i admit that i wasn't expect the italian trashing A-H at this stage,
This is a good point. We could see a interesting reversal of OTL, where rather than Italy being the bitter one, it's Britain and France that are bitter. However, it's more likely that a "stab in the back" myth develops in Britain/France (More likely France) than a mutilated victory.So the battles of the piave River turn it a vittorio-vento style battle but months earlier then otl. Holy shit I feel bad for the Austro-hungarians. This is likely followed by the next few months of poundings by the Italians as the Germans watch. unless armistice is signed soon and even then it's just problems all over especially as from your description the Germans aren't in any real position to bail the Austrians out. I do find it hilarious though that otl Italy's performance gets a certain rap which here will be flipped just by virtue of how italy is really the only entente nation to walk away with stuff. And it also has the added benefit and fascinating consequence of strangling the idea of the mutilated victory in its crib. If anything it becomes a bit of a point of pride. Overall very fascinating consequences.
I would agree and say I also would be incredibly suprised and disappointed if he wasn't going in that direction.This is a good point. We could see a interesting reversal of OTL, where rather than Italy being the bitter one, it's Britain and France that are bitter. However, it's more likely that a "stab in the back" myth develops in Britain/France (More likely France) than a mutilated victory.
I've never seen a German WW1 Victory Timeline where Italy manages to get relatively scot free and I agree with you in thinking that this timeline will head in that direction.
There's no way Italy gets off entirely scott free. They were on the losing side. No matter what, Italy is going to suffer in some way, even if probably in minor ways.This is a good point. We could see a interesting reversal of OTL, where rather than Italy being the bitter one, it's Britain and France that are bitter. However, it's more likely that a "stab in the back" myth develops in Britain/France (More likely France) than a mutilated victory.
I've never seen a German WW1 Victory Timeline where Italy manages to get relatively scot free and I agree with you in thinking that this timeline will head in that direction.
I did say relatively scot free, as in comparison to other continental Entente members, like France or Russia. Of course Italy isn't going to get off completely scot free, but they will get a much lighter treatment due to Germany being exhausted.There's no way Italy gets off entirely scott free. They were on the losing side. No matter what, Italy is going to suffer in some way, even if probably in minor ways.