Ghastly Victories: The United States in the World Wars

Part 4-3 Unfinished Business
…1930 saw the United States enter a climate crisis to go with the economic crisis. Excess farming of semi-arid portions of the Great Plains with unsuitable techniques created conditions that made the area ripe for erosion and dust storms once a dry year hit. The Summer of 1930 was the start of one such dry year especially at the epicenter of the future Dustbowl in the Texas/Oklahoma Panhandle region. While the droughts would reach their height in 1935, even by fall of 1930 the impact on the plains states was notable and people were beginning to flee in search of greener pastures elsewhere.

President Curtis, a Kansan, recognized the impact the Dust Bowl had on both his state and others and in 1931 successfully lobbied for an expansion to the agricultural relief bills of the past years…

…Curtiss followed the orthodox economic advice of the day in the early part of the Depression. He made public appeals to support charity, but did not support government intervention outside of agriculture. Unemployment relief was a matter for the states and private charity, not the federal government he reasoned, the standard conservative position of the day. Furthermore his advisors of the day told him that the best solution for the depression was to wait for it to go away on its own, doing something to mitigate it would only make things worse. In the early part of the Depression Curtis listened to this advice, with one exception. Namely he would not further raise domestic taxes at this time, the US had been slowly retiring its debt during the twenties, it could afford to rack up somewhat more…

…At the advice of Herbert Hoover, who Curtis personally and politically disliked but whose disaster management credentials were impeccable, Curtis proposed a yearlong moratorium on war debt payments in 1931. Germany would not pay reparations, the Entente powers would not have to pay their debts, and no interest would accumulate. This would give time for the Europeans to get their house in order, which according to Hoover would mean American recovery, as he blamed European economic weakness for the Depression

The Curtis/Hoover moratorium was eagerly accepted by most of Europe, save France, and more reluctantly by Congress and took effect in early 1932. However in 1933 when the Moratorium expired, debt payments did not resume. Germany refused to pay the former Entente anymore reparations and the Entente only paid off the pre US entry loans to avoid seizure of collateral. This was something that all involved would regret doing, though it would be the former Entente that did so first.

American attitudes to the Entente were once more poisoned and many in the US vowed that the US would get every penny back that was borrowed from it in good faith, come hell or high water…

…The 1930 elections saw the Democrats return to control of Congress for the first time since Wilson. This was a different party than Wilson led. Gone was Wilsonian moralism and internationalism. The new Democrats were more pragmatic and focused on matters closer to hand compared to high minded idealism. International affairs were taking a backseat compared to the need to do something about the Depression engulfing the nation. Many in the party were beginning to look at the success of Sanna’s Italy at handling the Depression as something to be imitated…

-Excerpt from Unfinished Business: The Making of the Second World War, New American Press, Chicago, 2007





Okay it's short, I spent too much time working on one of the later updates and what I think is the single most implausible facet of the TL
 
Well, it could be much better. But it does not seem the Great Depression is damaging the USA too bad... domestically. The people looking at Fascist italy are unnerving- presumably the USA won't go fascist itself in TTL, so maybe they'll be a troublesome fifth column?
However in 1933 when the Moratorium expired, debt payments did not resume. Germany refused to pay the former Entente anymore reparations and the Entente only paid off the pre US entry loans to avoid seizure of collateral. This was something that all involved would regret doing, though it would be the former Entente that did so first.

American attitudes to the Entente were once more poisoned and many in the US vowed that the US would get every penny back that was borrowed from it in good faith, come hell or high water…
Oh dear. The start of the American people's growing hate for the Entente is here I see. But American is a prosperous nation overall, so I do not think the non-payment of the debt alone would impact American popular perception enough to make them as hated as they seem to be in the modern day. Something worse is yet to happen, I am sure.

This DOES however serve as a catalyst for the Entente being seen as ungrateful bad-faith actors though, which might provoke much mistrust once WW2 breaks out.
Okay it's short, I spent too much time working on one of the later updates and what I think is the single most implausible facet of the TL
Oh my.... I'm excited to see just what this major event is! I'm guessing it will be a decisive moment in the timeline.
 
Well, it could be much better. But it does not seem the Great Depression is damaging the USA too bad... domestically. The people looking at Fascist italy are unnerving- presumably the USA won't go fascist itself in TTL, so maybe they'll be a troublesome fifth column?

Oh dear. The start of the American people's growing hate for the Entente is here I see. But American is a prosperous nation overall, so I do not think the non-payment of the debt alone would impact American popular perception enough to make them as hated as they seem to be in the modern day. Something worse is yet to happen, I am sure.

This DOES however serve as a catalyst for the Entente being seen as ungrateful bad-faith actors though, which might provoke much mistrust once WW2 breaks out.

Oh my.... I'm excited to see just what this major event is! I'm guessing it will be a decisive moment in the timeline.
Wasn't TTL's Fascist Italy investing in infrastructure programs heavily? It could just be them looking to copy that model. It'll probably depend on who the Dem nominee in 1932 (and likely President come 1933) ends up being.

As for the Entente, I too am curious what's about to go down. My gut is telling me something will happen in France, in addition to whatever comes out of Germany. Why? Well, the negative portrayal of the Entente ITTL has been ongoing right from the start. The USSR is already pretty nasty as is, so nothing new there. Italy, at least so far, seems to be portrayed positively, or at least far better than any fascist regime OTL. And I doubt it's the UK because, if I'm recalling correctly, one of the past updates mentioned that WW1 casualty records were more complete for the Americans and British than in continental Europe. So the US and UK being on opposite sides - presumably including major destruction in Britain proper - seems rather unlikely.
 
American attitudes to the Entente were once more poisoned and many in the US vowed that the US would get every penny back that was borrowed from it in good faith, come hell or high water…

-Excerpt from Unfinished Business: The Making of the Second World War, New American Press, Chicago, 2007
Don't wont to pay debt? That's fine, some nice looking land in British and French Guyana. I hear Bermuda and British Virgin Islands are nice year round, would pair well with the Danish Virgin Islands... (not sure if the Danish VI, ie West Indies, were bought in this TL like OTL)
 
Part 4-4 End of Empire
…The 1931 Statue of Westminster affirmed the results of the 1923 and 1926 Imperial Conferences, namely that the Dominions of the British Empire were self-governing entities that were functionally countries in their own right. It expanded on this by removing the ability of the British Parliament to effectively legislate for the Dominions. Britain retained the ability to do so only with the consent of that Dominion.

Originally the Statue was supposed to exclude the Irish Free State from the Dominions in question. However the Irish were able to convince the other Dominions to support them on their inclusion. Arguably the Free State already had such independence, however that was based on the Anglo-Irish treaty, something both parties were deeply unsatisfied with. Thus the Irish wanted another backing to their legislative independence. The Dominions supported the Irish, based on the idea of a united front.

The Statue had the effect of de facto independence of the Dominions, even if true independence took much longer and was never achieved by Newfoundland…

…The Statue of Westminster left Michael Collins confident enough to begin dismantling monarchial elements of the constitution of the Irish Free State as early as 1932, the first steps in the process that culminated in his Unilateral Declaration…

…The 1932 Imperial Conference was the first such to occur after the Statue of Westminster. Unlike previous conferences, which had been working to that goal, it was instead focused on economic matters. Namely reacting to the Great Depression. An agreement was made to form a unified tariff policy whereupon there would be free trade within the Empire, but steep barriers on trade from outside the Empire. The Imperial Preference system had long been proposed, however it went against the free trade orthodoxy that prevailed in British thinking for a century. Now with tariff barriers emerging everywhere Britain was finally willing to reciprocate. This led to a split in the British Liberal party into pro and anti-tariff factions, leading to a long period of Conservative domination of British politics.

In addition to the Tariff it was proposed that the Empire adopt the ideas of economist John Maynard Keynes, who had developed most of the same ideas as Erasmo Sanna before Sanna did and provided a solid theoretical underpinning to boot. Keynes however had been ignored by the British government ever since he had argued for low war reparations payments at the conference of Versailles. Now with an economic crisis and the successful example of Sanna in Italy his ideas were finally being looked at.

Keynes proposed that the members of the empire who had not already left the Gold Standard, as Australia and New Zealand had, leave it. Doing so would enable an expansion of the money supply and the lowering of interest rates which would solve the current credit crunch. Furthermore the government spending would increase on things such as public works to reduce unemployment and stimulate demand.

Keyne’s ideas ran into a major stumbling block in the mother country, the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street. The Bank of England was responsible for British monetary policy and it was a privately owned institution. Its governor, Montagu Norman, was adamantly opposed to leaving the Gold Standard. An attempt to work around him by abandoning the gold standard while he was on vacation was foiled when the ship suffered a low speed collision leaving the harbor and was forced to turn back. Norman would eventually give in, after Parliament threatened to remove much of the Bank’s independence in 1933, but by that point considerable economic damage had been done…

…The Reichenbach Conference of 1932 was a last ditch attempt at avoiding a general European default. Representatives of the British Empire, France and Belgium met with the German government in an attempt to determine what would happen once the Curtis/Hoover Moratorium expired. The former Allies realized that Germany was not in good shape to resume payments on her reparations immediately, or much at all. Rather than see Germany default on her payments they proposed a 90% reduction in reparations and a substantial delay in payments to let Germany get its house in order.

However none of the former allies were in good financial shape themselves, and they owed considerable war debts to the United States. Therefore they determined that forgiving Germany’s obligations was to be contingent on a similar forgiveness by the United States in order to avoid their fiscal situations from deteriorating further.

The United States government refused to countenance the forgiveness of their war loans to their former Allies. President Curtis responded with a public statement saying that there was no connection between the loans contracted by the Allied powers with the United States and Germany’s war reparations, the United States had been generous in giving a moratorium on debt repayments already. In this despite his low popularity he was supported almost unanimously by the American press and political class. The United States would not forgive loans made to their former allies.

Without American agreement the expiration of the Curtis/Hoover Moratorium technically caused a reversion to the payment plan established in the 1928 debt renegotiations. Germany did not resume payments, leaving 90% of her reparations outstanding, and with Germany not paying the former allied only resumed payment on those loans secured by collateral, a bare seventh of the total...

-Excerpt from The End of Empire: The British Empire from 1914 to 1964, Southern Hemisphere Press, Wellington, 2005
 
Part 4-5 Naval History
…With the onset of the Depression the impetus for greater naval limitations which had failed after Geneva returned. The fiscally conservative President Curtis was one of the first leaders to realize the full implications of the Depression and invited the parties of the London Naval Treaty to the United States to work out new limitations and deal with various brewing issues. Wilmington Delaware was chosen as the site of the conference, as Washington DC itself was thought too hot and muggy during the summer when the Conference would take place.

At the suggestion of the British the Dutch and Germans were invited, mostly due to the British desire to halt further construction of their Panzerschiffs…

…The most politically fraught issue of the conference was to determine who would be added to their ranks. There was no objection to bringing the Dutch in at the same level as Spain. There was however considerable objection from France at the prospect of bringing in Germany. The French saw that admitting Germany into the naval treaty system essentially meant eliminating the naval limitation clauses of the Versailles Treaty. And if the naval clauses of the Versailles Treaty were eliminated, then other clauses might be. Not willing to risk a slippery slope leading to a strong German army once more threatening France the French refused to allow this. Given that altering the Versailles Treaty required the consent of all the Big Four, the result was the exclusion of Germany…

…The biggest issue leftover from the LNT was limiting cruiser tonnage below the First Class. The United States wanted to build a limited number of 10,000 ton 6” cruisers to supplement their large 8” cruisers. Britain wanted to build large numbers of under 8000 ton cruisers with 6” or possibly smaller guns. The United States had no interest in building such cruisers nor interest in building enough larger cruisers to provide Britain the aggregate tonnage that she wanted. This dichotomy had sunk the Geneva Naval Conference.

At Wilmington however the Americans were willing enough to compromise. The Depression had hit hard and extensive spending was on the horizon. The oldest capital ships in the American battle line were nearing replacement age. Japan had finished ordering her 8” cruisers allotment and was starting a series of 10,000 ton 6” cruisers that could spark a costly race if unrestricted. There was an ongoing competition in Destroyer construction, with Japan having effectively upended the board with the Akatsuki class and actually managing to outbuild the US in destroyers, mostly as Congress saw the mass of WWI era flush decker types as a sufficiency of destroyers. If avoiding these meant having to accept a bunch of cruiser tonnage the US would not actually build, that was the price of saving money.

The US proposed as the 6” cruiser limits for the chief powers 250,000 tons, matching the limits on the A class cruisers established in the LNT. Britain proposed a 200,000 ton B class of 7501-10,000 ton ships and 150,000 ton C class of 7500 tons and under with a wrinkle. Namely that Britain, would be able to trade A class and B class cruiser tonnage for C class at ratios of 2 for 3 and 3 for 4 respectively. This would allow Britain the ability to retain the existing cruisers of the RN and commonwealth Navies and build 30 more vessels of around 6,000 tons, or a 7:23 mix of 7500 and 5500 ton vessels, to fill their requirements.

The US was nervous about the prospects of anything less than complete equality. However they were willing to agree to it, if they got something in return. Namely that the British would agree to their proposal about extending the Capital Ship building holiday for the three principal powers, the US being well aware the French and Italians would never agree if it applied to them. This was something the British were very leery about given how hard used their remaining 13.5” ships were. However they had just gotten the Americans to agree on a proposal that gave them enough cruiser tonnage for their needs, and a superiority in total cruiser tonnage they could use to proclaim the continued paramount status of the RN. In what was probably the biggest British mistake of the conference they agreed to the American proposal for extending the Capital Ship building holiday until 1936.

As a result the cruiser limits for the United States were 250,000, 200,000 and 150,000 tons. For Britain 205,000, 80,000 and 380,000 tons. For Japan they were 175,000, 140,000 and 105,000. For France and Italy they were 100,000, and 140,000 tons of combined 6” cruiser tonnage. For Spain and the Netherlands it was 37,500 and 52,500 tons of combined 6” cruiser tonnage below 10,000 tons, the smaller powers being allowed to do so to avoid having to build ships too large for their needs…

…Following cruisers was the matter of destroyers. While individually cheap, ton for ton they were the most expensive surface vessels and if not limited could prove costly. The US proposed a tonnage limitation of 200,000, 200,000, 140,000. 80,000, 80,000, 30,000 and 30,000 tons. This was enough to let the US keep their 20 “Destroyer Leaders” built or building, as well as 160 of the 237 remaining Flush Deck destroyers. Destroyers would be limited to 2,000 tons and 130mm/5.1” guns, with the few ex-German war prizes with 150mm guns grandfathered in. This limit allowed most of the extant destroyers to qualify, save the French Super Destroyers and largest Italian Esploratori, which would go under their cruiser tonnage, which both parties could afford.

At British insistence a rule was made than only 20% of Destroyer tonnage could exceed 1500 tons, in order to allow them to build enough to be sufficient and avoid having to replace too many vessels. This was accepted and a 16 year replacement rule was put into place for post LNT Destroyers, with 12 years for pre LNT destroyers…

…Aside from surface vessels submarines also had to be regulated. Namely the fact that construction of large submarines was beginning to be a significant budgetary issue. France was building a 3500 ton sub with a pair of 8” guns, intended to be the first of a class, Britain had a 2800 ton design with 4 5.2” guns, Japan was building a class of 2200 long endurance vessels, and the US had 27 large submarines of between 2100 and 3200 tons built or building in 9 different classes. Continuing to build subs like this was now too expensive.

Of course the issue was how to limit the submarine. It was decided that 2,000 tons would be an upper limit for new submarines, existing submarines larger than that could be retained, but no new vessels larger than that could be built. This was at US insistence so that they could keep the large submarines they intended to fight Japan with. Furthermore no new submarine could carry a gun larger than 5.1”, nor could an existing submarine be refitted with such a gun. Replacement time would be 13 years

Tonnage limitations ended up defined by US and French minimums. The US wanted 100,000 tons to keep its existing large subs and gradually replace the S boats from WWI. France, having been forced by circumstances to abandon its 90,000 ton goal, still wanted 75,000 tons. Thus the ratios had to be modified. The US and UK would receive 100,000 tons, Japan, France and Italy 75,000 tons, and 25,000 tons for the Spanish and Dutch…

…One thorny question was the matter of light carriers. The United States had Bunker Hill, France Bleriot and Japan Hosho and Eisho, Britain having reconverted Egeria and Cavendish back to cruisers after determining they were of minimal value as carriers. These ships had been built under the assumption that there was no treaty, or that ships under 10,000 tons were not counted. Now that cruisers under 10,000 tons were counted they could no longer be cruisers and avoid being counted under aircraft carriers. Britain and Italy were all for counting them, Britain and France preferred to count them as carriers, best befitting the treaty, while Italy preferred cruisers to deny France one more cruiser. The United States and Japan however preferred they did not count. Doing so would deny them considerable tonnage that would make subsequent carriers they would build smaller.

Instead the US and Japan proposed that they be loopholed in. Of course both parties were well aware that doing so would require some horse trading, so they agreed that certain vessels would not count under any category, such as the large colonial Avisos of France and Italy. A list was made of armed vessels that would be excused from counting under any treaty category, which just so happened to include the three light carriers in question…

…In order to avoid arguments about minor classes of vessels it was decided that surface vessels of under 600 tons would not be counted. The United States had suggested 750 tons, but Spain commented that such was sufficient for a warship for Mediterranean operations and would not deter the French and Italians. It was further decided that ships of 600-2000 tons, that carried 4 or fewer guns above 3.1”, lacked provision for torpedoes and were capable of 20 knots or less would be unregulated, in order for all the powers to construct gunboats and patrol craft for colonial duty as they saw fit and avoid arguments there…

…The United States Navy saw no real way to build an effective cruiser for their needs on 7500 tons. Even with the improved alloys and machinery available to them the situation remained much the same it had been at the London Naval Treaty, with weight saving measures being offset by new sources of weight being found. They could build a cruiser with the speed, range, seakeeping and main armament to be useful, at the cost of inadequate armor and air defense. Fixing those meant compromising elsewhere, which meant something else was deficient. However the USN saw that they could build a very nice destroyer on 3,000 tons and that doing so was a way to get ahead of the Japanese.

The Japanese had invested heavily in 3500 and 5500 ton cruisers in the late teens and early twenties, ships of minimal combat value that were taking up their C class tonnage and could not be replaced until the late thirties and early forties. By contrast the United States, by dint of Congress not paying for any cruisers between 1905 and 1916, had no such vessels. If Congress would pay for them they could have 40 or 50 super destroyers built before then.

These would not be like the ships built by the French and Italians. Rather than trying to cram every possible knot of speed into the hull, the United States would settle for a mere 36 or 37 knots instead of trying to go above forty. Instead the ships would be much more seaworthy and far longer ranged, with a powerful DP armament of 8 5” guns rather than a fewer number of heavier anti-surface guns. The question of course was how many “Scout Cruisers” congress would pay for…

…Japan saw one important loophole in the treaty. Namely that vessels below 600 tons were unregulated. This was under the assumption that building a vessel both speedy, seaworthy and possessing both a gun and torpedo armament of note on that tonnage was impossible. The Japanese did not believe that it was. Their view was that based on a combat area off the Philippines they could build such vessels that could operate with the Combined Fleet. This would give them a leg up over the Americans, who having to operate from across the Pacific could not make use of such in concert with their Battle Fleet. Such vessels at most could be part of the Asiatic fleet, which would be dealt with in isolation before the Battle fleet was able to move.

The IJN wanted 20 of the vessels built as soon as possible. The Finance Ministry disagreed but rather than get into a fight about it they proposed a compromise. The Finance Ministry would fund several prototypes now, and if they still wanted those ships after seeing the performance of the prototypes the funds would be found for 20 of them.

The IJN agreed and four prototypes were proposed with varying combinations of propulsion machinery, armament and hull design, but all trying to fit half the firepower of an Akatsuki class destroyer on a third the displacement…

…Along with the Prototype torpedo boats the Japanese funded a “Special Type Gunboat”. A 20 knot, 2000 ton vessel, it had two twin 13cm DP guns and extensive accommodation for landing detachments. Accommodations that were located so that a second or third machinery plant could be fitted Aft, increasing speed to 27 or 31 knots, and that a third turret could be fitted fore, with torpedo flats replacing additional boat handling equipment amidships…

…Britain’s problem with the Treaty quickly became apparent. That their eight 13.5” armed battleships and two battlecruisers were hard used was well known. However the poor state they were kept in was not, and when they were inspected after the treaty their truly deplorable condition was discovered. Maintenance of the reserve fleet had been skimped on, given the ten year rule it was expected that the ships would be replaced before a conflict hence no need to put any money into them.

The WNT changed this. Now Britain had to keep those ships until at least 1936. Of them Tiger was in decent shape, as she had went into reserve only in 1929, but was the most worn out. The Iron Dukes were in poor but manageable shape, however the Princess Royal and older battleships were sufficiently degraded that returning them to service would require a functional rebuild. This left Britain with a major problem when the naval race of the late 30’s kicked off…

…Despite the Depression and the WNT both the French and Italians persisted with their plans for new battleships. Quite simply both of their battle fleets were of limited value and there was concern that their battleships were vulnerable to 8” shells from modern heavy cruisers at long range given their lack of deck armor. This could be fixed given rebuilds, but such rebuilds would still leave their ships inferior to even the oldest battleships of Britain, Japan and the United States, and behind the newest vessels of Russia and Spain.

Thus even with tight financial situations both navies were able to successfully argue that new battleships were needed in the early 30’s. Both came up with very similar plans, 4 light battleships of just over 30,000 tons which would be followed by 4 45,000 ton battleships when the financial situation improved, thus using up their allotted 315,000 tons. The 30,000 ton ships would be able to face the oldest capital ships of the dominant powers, be much superior to the existing vessels and be cheap enough for the strained environment of the 30’s.

The difference between the ships was due to the design philosophy in question. The French ships were an enlarged version of the Spanish Castila class using a new design of 330mm guns while the Italian ships had 9 343mm guns in three triple turrets, two fore, one aft and one of the fore superfiring over the other. Both were capable of over 30 knots of speed and were reasonably protected against their own armaments. The French design was better armored, but its two forward quads left it vulnerable to losing all its armament and gave it a blind spot aft. The Italian design was slightly bigger than the French design and was less vulnerable to such a catastrophic kill.

Of course both sides plans would change shortly after they were announced…

-Excerpt from Naval History Between the Wars, Harper & Brothers, New York, 2007
 
Glad this is back, although I'll personally admit to being rather ignorant of naval matters - although this board does seem to have quite a few experts on the subject - so I can't really comment on this update.
 
"Japan saw one important loophole in the treaty. Namely that vessels below 600 tons were unregulated. This was under the assumption that building a vessel both speedy, seaworthy and possessing both a gun and torpedo armament of note on that tonnage was impossible. The Japanese did not believe that it was."

Time for the 2nd Pacific Squadron's dreaded Japanese Torpedo Boats? This seems like one whacky wave buggy the Japanese want to built- is there any OTL project similar to what they're trying to do that I could use to have a better image of what this is? Between this and that "Gunboat" that is totally not a large destroyer in waiting, seems the IJN will be quite the wacky force!
 
Part 4-6 Unfinished Business, Revisionist Viewpoints, Columbia's Sword
…With the Federal government under President Curtiss seemingly unwilling to conduct major relief efforts, some of the states attempted their own. Most prominent of these states was new York under Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt. Franklin Roosevelt was an unlikely candidate, only selected after the original candidate Lt. Governor Corning became sick and five other prominent politicians declined, he was elected with less than .1% of the vote in 1928. He had the Roosevelt name, being a fifth cousin to the late President Theodore Roosevelt, and connections to other prominent New York families. However he was also tainted by his association with the Wilson Administration, having served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

By 1930 however circumstances had changed, Roosevelt had proved himself competent in office, successfully fought against the corrupt Tammany Hall political machine in New York and reorganized much of the state Bureaucracy. Combined with the Democratic Wave as voters blamed the Republicans for the Depression and he was reelected with a 15% margin of victory. From there he could truly make his mark.

Inspired by Sanna in Italy, Roosevelt established a public works agency, the Temporary Emergency Relief Agency, to put people to work on construction projects that benefitted the public good. He further passed banking legislation, was the first governor to unambiguously support government unemployment insurance and supported reforestation of marginal farmland. Roosevelt was thus in a strong position to seek higher office in 1932…

…1932 saw Curtis belatedly began pushing Fascist style public relief measures. The government owned Reconstruction Finance Corporation began as a vehicle to bail out smaller banks that the Federal Reserve could not, giving loans to end bank failures and ensure depositors got this money. It’s scope was soon expanded to lending to other businesses, and then to municipalities and states to finance public works. The corporation at government insistence disbursed a large amount for federal projects, including the modernization of certain military facilities and procurement of military equipment to a limited degree…

…By 1932 Curtis was feeling overwhelmed by the Depression and realized his relative unpopularity. Thus he announced in late January that he had no intention of running for reelection, for the good of both the country and the Republican party…

-Excerpt from Unfinished Business: The Making of the Second World War, New American Press, Chicago, 2007



…The popular narrative of Fascism is that it pioneered the approaches that ended the Depression and that all successful countries copied Sanna’s Italy. This paper will look at the influences behind major decision makers in the Anglosphere of the period and demonstrate that the anti-depression measures of the day owed little to nothing to Erasmo Sanna’s policies in Italy. Significant domestic voices existed that came to the same conclusions independently and it was these voices that formed the basis of the successful Anglosphere response to the depression…

-Excerpt from Revisionist Viewpoints in History Volume XV, University of California Press: Berkley, 2005


...While the Depression imposed budget cuts were problematic for most of the Army for the fledgling tank units it was a blessing in disguise. The prototypes for the European conflict Tank had universally grown into 40-50+ ton multi turreted monsters. With tightened budgets serial production of these was obviously unaffordable. Thus it was made clear that the design would have to shrink.

The easiest way to do that was to eliminate the constant 360 degree machine gun coverage requirement, thus eliminating the need for more than two or three machine guns, one in the front hull, one coaxial with the main gun, and possibly one at the commander’s hatch. This meant no need for fixed mounts on the side and rear of the turret, sponsons or secondary turrets, and that the design could thus shrink appropriately. Similarly it was decided to coaxially mount the 25mm AT gun with the main gun, eliminating that secondary turret as well. This meant that with the removal of the 25mm gun later in the decade to fit a longer barreled 75mm, there was enough room for a third man in the turret, a feature that would remain with later American tanks. These changes brought the weight of the vehicle down to 30 tons, which while large was still small enough to enter serial production…

Excerpt from Forging Columbia’s Sword, The United States Army between the Wars, Norwich University Press, Northfield, 2009
 
Huh, interesting tank there. Sounds like they started with some monstrous landship and managed to par it down to something of a proto-Sherman.
 
…The popular narrative of Fascism is that it pioneered the approaches that ended the Depression and that all successful countries copied Sanna’s Italy. This paper will look at the influences behind major decision makers in the Anglosphere of the period and demonstrate that the anti-depression measures of the day owed little to nothing to Erasmo Sanna’s policies in Italy. Significant domestic voices existed that came to the same conclusions independently and it was these voices that formed the basis of the successful Anglosphere response to the depression…
One of the things I find interesting here is that it implies that by the modern day TTL, fascism has not been fatally discredited the way it has been IRL (there's a reason why both left and right toss the word fascist back and forth. Even absolute dictators shy away from the word, because of it's associations with WWII)

Whatever else, I don't think TTL's WWII will be framed as a conventional 'good versus evil' thing as easily as IRL.
 
Part 4-7 The Third Way
…1933 saw Sanna invite the increasingly influential leaders of the World Fascist Parties to Rome for a Global Conference of Fascists. His goal was to create a uniform manifesto and encourage international cooperation among Fascists, primarily to increase his own influence.

It was immediately apparent that most of these would be Fascists were by Sanna’s standards nothing of the sort, rather a bunch of garden variety reactionaries hiding under the Fascist name. Rather than being motivated by a new vision of how the world works after the failures of the previous system were well illustrated during the preceding decades, most seemed to embrace the old systems. Fascism was to them a justification for petty grudges or maintenance of the old system against the growing communist menace…

…Sanna’s Manifesto of Fascist Economics was killed before it was even due to be revealed at the conference. Only a minority of the delegates were seen as favorable to it during the economics discussions within the conference. A smaller minority hewed too close to communism in their desire for a third way, while a bare majority considered fascist economics to be capitalism with more union bashing thugs. Rather than lose prestige by revealing a manifesto just for it to be voted down, Sanna declined to let it see the light of day, in doing so failing one of his goals for the conference…

…Sanna was privately appalled by the degree of antisemitism present at the conference. While no philosemite himself he was a practical man and saw the Conference’s excessive discussion of the “Jewish Question” as a waste of time and effort that would be better turned to other matters. Yes many anarchists and communists were jews, but Sanna recognized that as pure happenstance, both groups recruited from the unsatisfied and jews had plenty of reasons to be unsatisfied with their position in life. Yet despite constant subtle attempts to steer the conference away from the topic, it always returned to the forefront…

…Despite his personal misgivings on the topic, to maintain his preeminence in the Fascist movement Sanna publicly endorsed the antisemitic portions of the Unified Fascist Manifesto along with the rest of the document…

…The Unified Fascist Manifesto was an open and honest attack on both the post-Revolutionary liberal order of the Western World and the empty visions of the Communists and Anarchists. It listed the numerous failures of the system and how Fascism would fix them and produce a better society combining the true benefits of the Revolution, the best ideas of post-Revolutionary thinkers and the best values of the time before…

…Geopolitically the most significant even of the conference was the private security guarantee Erasmo Sanna gave to Engelbert Dollfuss, the Fascist Chancellor of Austria…

…The First Global Conference of Fascists would be the most successful of the Global Conferences of Fascists. Unlike any of the other conferences it did produce a manifesto as well as several agreements between the leaders of the Fascist World. It is not a coincidence that this was the only Global Conference of Fascists where Sanna remained the undisputed leader of the Fascist World…

…Unfortunately despite the best efforts of Sanna the subsequent Global Conferences of Fascists went the same was as the Communist Internationals, turning to factional fighting and not accomplishing anything of note. Too many saw the German Volkism of […] as a viable alternative to Sanna’s Fascism, rather than the dangerous perversion it was and too many saw Germany’s growing strength and projected the nation onto its leader…

-Excerpt from The Third Way: A History of Fascism, American Fascist Party Presshouse, Jersey City, 2008
 
So it looks like there might be something similar to, if not exactly like, the targeting of Jews by the Nazis of our timeline by this timeline’s fascists. Whether this will end with a similar holocaust remains to be seen.
 

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Too many saw the German Volkism of […] as a viable alternative to Sanna’s Fascism, rather than the dangerous perversion it was and too many saw Germany’s growing strength and projected the nation onto its leader…
Obviously that's a redaction for the hints it gives, but maybe replace that with "Der Fuhrer" that way you don't have to give us a name, but it still works in universe, as a hint of the authors biases, I.E that idiot doesn't deserve a name, but rather a mocking appellation.
 
…Sanna was privately appalled by the degree of antisemitism present at the conference. While no philosemite himself he was a practical man and saw the Conference’s excessive discussion of the “Jewish Question” as a waste of time and effort that would be better turned to other matters. Yes many anarchists and communists were jews, but Sanna recognized that as pure happenstance, both groups recruited from the unsatisfied and jews had plenty of reasons to be unsatisfied with their position in life. Yet despite constant subtle attempts to steer the conference away from the topic, it always returned to the forefront…
I sense whitewashing.
…Unfortunately despite the best efforts of Sanna the subsequent Global Conferences of Fascists went the same was as the Communist Internationals, turning to factional fighting and not accomplishing anything of note. Too many saw the German Volkism of […] as a viable alternative to Sanna’s Fascism, rather than the dangerous perversion it was and too many saw Germany’s growing strength and projected the nation onto its leader…
And demonization of 'Volkism' as a perversion of the movement.

Which seems to be the general theme in this piece: the American Fascist Party and presumably the whole movement managed to divorce itself from whatever Volkism became, and thus survived World War Two as a viable political position.
 
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