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OPERATION BLACK PEARL
Jan 25th-31st 1995

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Prelude

The capture of the AJP Tanker, the Corvus, on October 11th 1994 was seen as a pivotal moment for the CMP-CAPTF (Combined Maritime Patrol - Caribbean Anti-Piracy Task Force). It allowed for an international embarrassment to morph into a firm commitment to the removal of privacy from the Caribbean.

The main benefactors of the Task Force, the British, Californian, Texan, Mexican and Brazilian Navies needed a win in the fight against the pirates. On October 19th, the British Government would order the Light-Aircraft Carrier Hermes and it’s support to sail to the Caribbean to provide further stability in the volatile region. They were further provided a boost with the capture of Jacque Horvath (Code name Eight of Hearts) by a Cuban Naval Patrol on November 1st. Leading to the location of Jorge Toro (Code name King of Spades), who had made his base of operations out of Kingstown in St Vincent, installing a small private army of militia to turn the island into his own private kingdom.

Invasion of St. Vincent

At 2:00am on January 25th 1995, the British Naval Patrol that had set sail from their Caribbean base at Guantanamo reached their staging point. Several sorties of RAF Tempest Jets aimed to destroy any of Toro’s ships laying in harbour as well as any military cashes. This was combined with another series of sorties from the Royal Bazilian Navy, headed by their Aircraft Carrier Sao Paulo.

The initial reports of these strikes were somewhat sub-par with the limited intelligence the CMP-CAPTF was able to obtain prior to launching the attacks, however they were able to confirm that the largest ships in the harbour of Kingstown were ablaze.

At 13:30, Royal Brazilian Marines were able to take several of the Grenadine islands without much resistance, this was followed by a joint effort between British Royal Marines landing at Layou and Barrouallie and Paratroopers capturing the crude Airport at Argyle later on in the day at roughly 14:30. By 18:00 the British Royal Marines had complete control over the Leeward Highway that linked Layou and Barrouallie with only token resistance from Toro’s Militia.

On January 26th, the Royal Marines moved to take the Pembroke heights above the city of Kingstown, with the Royal Navy Destroyers Exeter and Coventry moving to cover the Harbour, although their orders were to stop any ships leaving as opposed to any direct attack onto the city itself. By 15:30 the combined force of RAF Paratroopers and Royal Brazilian Marines, who had been airlifted to Argyle Airport had moved to take the Eastern outskirts of Kingstown.

January 27th to 31st saw the systematic invasion of the city itself. Toro’s Militia who had at the start put up fierce resistance against the invading forces quickly melted as the street to street firefights grew to their most intense on January 28th. Arnos Vale quickly fell late in the evening of the 27th allowing the combined force to unite as they moved into the city center. Just as Horvath had provided, Jorge Toro was captured attempting to flee the City in a fishing boat at 12:44 January 31st.

Timeline Key

1 - Sorties of 12 RAF Tempests from HMS Hermes hit Kingstown Harbour, destroying several ships many attributed to members of Toro’s Pirate Fleet. Another airstrike by 9 RBAF F-29N from CV Sao Paulo aiming to hit several military installations of Toro’s Militia.
2 - HMS Exeter and Coventry arrive just outside of Kingstown, to intercept any escaping vessels.
3 - Royal Brazilian Marines land quickly at Port Elizabeth, first landing at Hope and Spring bay. They only meet a token resistance from Toro’s Militia
4 - British Royal Marines land at Barrouallie.
5 - British Royal Marines land at Layou, quickly taking control of the Leeward Highway thus taking control of Eastern St. Vincent.
6 - British Paratroopers, flying from Barbados land at Argyle Airport, they are quickly supported by the Brazilian troops the following day after the capture of Port Elizabeth.
7 - Upon hearing of the Allied landings, Georgetown revolts against the Pirate Occupation removing any threat of Toro’s Militia from Northern St. Vincent.
8 - British and Brazilian Troops quickly move into Arnos Vale, while the Eastern Forces take Pembroke Heights forcing any remaining troops loyal to Toro into Kingstown.
9 - Between January 27th-31st Kingstown is systematically captured with Jorge Toro being captured while attempting to flee on a fishing boat at 12:44 thus ending the invasion of the St. Vincent.

====[AUTHORS NOTE]====​
Hi All! - My PC had broke which meant I lost all my maps I had been creating. Luckily I've got a new PC but it means pretty much re-starting from stratch.. oh well.

This is just a section of the ongoings in the "Calvarse" Timeline I've been creating over the years, something quick to stratch that map-making itchy. A bit basic I know but I need to get something out. If anyone has any questions please do ask them!
- Jordi​
 
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Roman Empire
Capital:
Augsburg
Largest City: Constantinople
Official Languages: Greenlandic, German, Greek
Official Religion: Eastern Orthodoxy
Emperor: Kajuinnaq V (Habsburg Dynasty)
Population: 715,000,000
Currency: Guilder
 
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POD: 1894 AD , CURRENT YEAR: 1919 AD

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The Shameful War, The Great Dying, The Great War... All are valiant names called by the successors of the age of warfare between 1911-1919/20 AD. Unlike OTL, where the Great War was foreseen to be the 'end of all wars' by a optimist population, the growth of a nihilistic population caused because of the Great War, American Collapse, German Warlord Era, and the Communist Revolutions of Europe resulted in a collapse of optimist philosophy in Europe and America and the establishment of a Future with no Future. Europe sees the spinning situation in Germany, France, Italy, etc. as the eventual up bringers for a new war, on par or greater than the previous.

The Great War (1911-1919/20) was an international conflict that began on July 1st, 1911 and de-jure ended on April 3rd, 1919 but de-facto ended sometime in the 1920s. It involved Europe, Russia, Asia, the Americas, and was also fought in the Middle East and Africa. The conflict (at the time) became the deadliest conflict known to man. An estimated 9 million were killed in combat, while 11 million were killed as civilians due to genocide, hunger, disease, and occupation.
In 1910, a tripolar silent war began between the Entente (France, Russia, Serbia), London Accord (Great Britain, The Ottomans, Italy & Japan), and the Central Powers (Germany, Austro-Hungary, China)*. The divide between Britain and France began after the Fashoda war, which turned into an untimely defeat of the French to the British. OTL, this would have never escalated due to the internal pressure caused by the Dreyfus Affair, however, ITL, the Dreyfus Affair never occurs, therefore France attempts to cement their colonial authority into Sudan much more. Britain's victory resulted in a Franco-British split, with Britain eventually drawing closer to Germany. However, with the increased power of the Kaiser, Wilhelm, relations with Great Britain soured, eventually devolving the situation much into what it is in 1910. Tensions in Europe came to a head when in April 17th, 1911, German forces invaded Morocco at the benefit of establishing a Protectorate to oust French colonial control. The situation quickly devolved with the French formal assertion of war in July 1st against Germany. A month after in August 11th, German forces invaded Luxembourg and Belgium, resulting in Britain's entrance into the conflict.


I'm encouraging all of you to ask questions about this.


P.S, shoutout to @Library of Alexandria for letting me use her base map and @XFE for giving me inspiration for my new color code. More coming soon in DNW content.
 
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How did what should've been pretty similar to otl lead to the war spiraling so far out of otl?
A quick answer would be that the war devolved in chemical warfare much earlier, and therefore caused an attrition campaign on all sides. No Britain, and France cant open up a invasion in Belgium to counter Germany. Germany wasn't in the best position (being faced on all fronts) to invade as well, so things stuck and became a waiting game for the first to collapse. The attrition caused people to be angry, soldiers to be angry, inciting genocide far greater than that in OTL Belgium. A cycle begins with genocide after genocide being organized by all sides out of hatred for the other.

TLDR: Chemical warfare and other illegal forms of warfare happens earlier and bc of no unified Entente no side can make immediate or measurable progress. The war becomes a war of attrition as a result.
 
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DO NOT WAVER
POD: 1894 AD , CURRENT YEAR: 1919 AD

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The Shameful War, The Great Dying, The Great War... All are valiant names called by the successors of the age of warfare between 1911-1919/20 AD. Unlike OTL, where the Great War was foreseen to be the 'end of all wars' by a optimist population, the growth of a nihilistic population caused because of the Great War, American Collapse, German Warlord Era, and the Communist Revolutions of Europe resulted in a collapse of optimist philosophy in Europe and America and the establishment of a Future with no Future. Europe sees the spinning situation in Germany, France, Italy, etc. as the eventual up bringers for a new war, on par or greater than the previous.

The Great War (1911-1919/20) was an international conflict that began on July 1st, 1911 and de-jure ended on April 3rd, 1919 but de-facto ended sometime in the 1920s. It involved Europe, Russia, Asia, the Americas, and was also fought in the Middle East and Africa. The conflict (at the time) became the deadliest conflict known to man. An estimated 9 million were killed in combat, while 11 million were killed as civilians due to genocide, hunger, disease, and occupation.
In 1910, a tripolar silent war began between the Entente (France, Russia, Serbia), London Accord (Great Britain, The Ottomans, Italy & Japan), and the Central Powers (Germany, Austro-Hungary, China)*. The divide between Britain and France began after the Fashoda war, which turned into an untimely defeat of the French to the British. OTL, this would have never escalated due to the internal pressure caused by the Dreyfus Affair, however, ITL, the Dreyfus Affair never occurs, therefore France attempts to cement their colonial authority into Sudan much more. Britain's victory resulted in a Franco-British split, with Britain eventually drawing closer to Germany. However, with the increased power of the Kaiser, Wilhelm, relations with Great Britain soured, eventually devolving the situation much into what it is in 1910. Tensions in Europe came to a head when in April 17th, 1911, German forces invaded Morocco at the benefit of establishing a Protectorate to oust French colonial control. The situation quickly devolved with the French formal assertion of war in July 1st against Germany. A month after in August 11th, German forces invaded Luxembourg and Belgium, resulting in Britain's entrance into the conflict.


I'm encouraging all of you to ask questions about this.


P.S, shoutout to @Library of Alexandria for letting me use his base map and @XFE for giving me inspiration for my new color code. More coming soon in DNW content.
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Nah but seriously this is one of the best worldas I have ever seen. Good job.
 
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So three questions

What the hell happened to America,
What are those states in Central Australia,
and What is the most powerful nation in 1919?

Also, the map is absolutely fantastic
 
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So three questions

What the hell happened to America,
What are those states in Central Australia,
and What is the most powerful nation in 1919?

Also, the map is absolutely fantastic
If you want to see what happened to America, simply see my previous installments. If not, then heres the TLDR: No Theodore Roosevelt as president results in the assumption of Mark Hanna into VP status. Mckinley is assassinated by a organized group of anarchists and the outraged and depressed Mark Hanna begins purging people in ‘anarchist cells’ across major cities. Hell break lose obviously and America enters a civil war that devolves into a collapse.

Aboriginals.

Great Britain is the most stable of any nation to come out from the war, for now.
Thank you!
 
Great Britain is the most stable of any nation to come out from the war, for now.
wait. so germany is in chaos, Russia's monarchy needs drastic reform, Italy is split in two and America is a poor backwater? All while britian is broke and has a lot dead but is the only one not about to collapse and is honestly keeping everything together?
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30-15 degrees north ISOT
I don't want to list the places added anymore, its tiring to type all that.

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Mexico is the great power of the New World. With the Panama Canal, California agriculture, and Venezuela oil, they certainly have the largest economy, but things aren't going as well as they may seem. Organized crime is still an issue, albeit not as severe of one, its the different regions that are a problem. The North resents CdM's authority, and although they have won many privileges, it is not enough. Mexico puts on the image of a great power but under the surface it is merely a dysfunctional confederacy torn between a million interests.

Over time, the US has gained something of a Latin flair. With only the most Hispanic states left, and the French influenced Louisiana. State boundaries have been redrawn, and the party system re-arranged, Puerto Rico finally enjoys the benefits of Statehood as well. Cuba is also doing quite well for itself. The Castros were removed long ago and a prosperous democracy has arisen in its place. It. along with the US, Mexico, and other Caribbean states have formed free trade agreements and other economic deals.

The UK, Netherlands, and France all had territories in the Caribbean, as did Spain in the Canaries. As Mexico claimed Venezuela and Morocco reclaimed their core, it was only natural that these territories go re-settle the home country. It is certainly strange that the EU is based in Saint Martin, but the locals don't care all that much.

Many were forced to flee from the desert cities of the Sahara due to loss of food imports, which the countries of North Africa wielded to resettle their coastlines. Morocco and Algeria still don't get along. The Tribes and people of the Sahara spread south, and are growing at a rapid pace now. The Tuareg are on route to settle Nigeria and many predict that in two hundred years time they will be a superpower for that reason. Cape Vere and Senegal are the wealthiest nations of the region, and the most influential.

Saudi Arabia was not able to bear the stress of the warp, and the Egyptians were able to wield their population to become the great power of the Arab world. Various Arab states have also become successful, such as Oman and Kuwait, but Egypt is is the most powerful of them all.

India was able to put Pakistan in a subordinate position, thanks to the warp, and Karachi is economically reliant on India, although they still pretend to hate each other. Burma, Thailand, Bangladesh, are all also in the Indian sphere of influence. South Africa has become a New India, and it is becoming one of the richest parts of the world, let alone India. Southeast Asia is a battleground between China and India, and so far China seems to be winning right now. Thailand and Vietnam still resist Chinese influence in the Southeast though.

Tibet was able to break away from China during a Sino-Indian war, which is still a sore spot in Sino-Indian relations. Taiwan was reconquered by the new regime in China, which has recovered much of the lost pride from Tibet. The Taiwanese foresaw this invasion, and made far flung settlements in Indonesia to be safe from the regime in Nanning.

Japan-in-Okinawa has been trying to pull itself out from under China's thumb for decades, but they are still struggling in that endeavor, and the Americans were kicked out a long time ago. The Northern Mariana Islands and the Hawaiian islands were the only remaining parts of the US in the Pacific, and they were forced to go their own separate ways by geography. Hawaii trades with both Mexico and China, and plays them both to get a good deal, while also maintaining a very oversized navy. The Marinara Federation is in the Chinese Sphere though.
 
Czechoslovakia goes to Czechoslovakia? I thought it would've been ceded to Switzerland.
It is called the Treaty of Bern. They would love both their political neutrality as well as their integrity as bankers if it looked as though the Swiss were helping themselves to the till.
 
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My what if map on what if Alvarado's OTL attempt at an independent Alta California succeeded. Thoughts and comments?
Almost concerning there is no Native majority language at the Four Corners, though I suppose it is the same in the modern day. Showing all the empty space as filled is also a common thing on maps, and.... Hmmm, the symbol you have by Spanish and Native means there is a lot of overlap, right? Though if that was the case I wonder if the number would have so precisely added up to 100. Anyways, by the city names and the languages, should we take it the Mormons never got to Utah? The Californians didn’t want them or just had a lot of people at the border to prevent incursions?
 
DO NOT WAVER
POD: 1894 AD , CURRENT YEAR: 1919 AD

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The Shameful War, The Great Dying, The Great War... All are valiant names called by the successors of the age of warfare between 1911-1919/20 AD. Unlike OTL, where the Great War was foreseen to be the 'end of all wars' by a optimist population, the growth of a nihilistic population caused because of the Great War, American Collapse, German Warlord Era, and the Communist Revolutions of Europe resulted in a collapse of optimist philosophy in Europe and America and the establishment of a Future with no Future. Europe sees the spinning situation in Germany, France, Italy, etc. as the eventual up bringers for a new war, on par or greater than the previous.

The Great War (1911-1919/20) was an international conflict that began on July 1st, 1911 and de-jure ended on April 3rd, 1919 but de-facto ended sometime in the 1920s. It involved Europe, Russia, Asia, the Americas, and was also fought in the Middle East and Africa. The conflict (at the time) became the deadliest conflict known to man. An estimated 9 million were killed in combat, while 11 million were killed as civilians due to genocide, hunger, disease, and occupation.
In 1910, a tripolar silent war began between the Entente (France, Russia, Serbia), London Accord (Great Britain, The Ottomans, Italy & Japan), and the Central Powers (Germany, Austro-Hungary, China)*. The divide between Britain and France began after the Fashoda war, which turned into an untimely defeat of the French to the British. OTL, this would have never escalated due to the internal pressure caused by the Dreyfus Affair, however, ITL, the Dreyfus Affair never occurs, therefore France attempts to cement their colonial authority into Sudan much more. Britain's victory resulted in a Franco-British split, with Britain eventually drawing closer to Germany. However, with the increased power of the Kaiser, Wilhelm, relations with Great Britain soured, eventually devolving the situation much into what it is in 1910. Tensions in Europe came to a head when in April 17th, 1911, German forces invaded Morocco at the benefit of establishing a Protectorate to oust French colonial control. The situation quickly devolved with the French formal assertion of war in July 1st against Germany. A month after in August 11th, German forces invaded Luxembourg and Belgium, resulting in Britain's entrance into the conflict.


I'm encouraging all of you to ask questions about this.


P.S, shoutout to @Library of Alexandria for letting me use her base map and @XFE for giving me inspiration for my new color code. More coming soon in DNW content.
This is a very beautiful map and a pretty interesting scenario, but just one thing, which is that OTL, one of the main reasons that the Fashoda incident didn't devolve into a war, alongside the Dreyfus Affair oc, was that France did not want Britain as an enemy in the slightest. The Captain who caused the incident kind of acted on his own will, or according to some theories, on the will of some isolated general or governor. In 1894, France and Britain had started secret meetings to lay the bases of a military alliance against Germany, as their growing power scared them both.
Now, I'm not saying the Fashoda incident wasn't a big thing, or minor or anything, but people tend to make it out as that huge thing that could've caused WW1, and like, there is a reason it didn't, which is that then, no one among the parties involved wanted a war. In 1914, everyone wanted a war, Germany and A-H may have offered Europe the War, but France, Britain and Russia were more than happy to accept it with open arms.
All of that to say that, you should, imo, possibly need to have either Germany not growing as fast as a main power as it did OTL in the 1890's (which would require to not have Wilhelm on the throne so that'll be hard to do), or to get in a way things to sour as soon as the early to mid 1890's between France and Britain, as to make those meetings which lasted from 1894 to 1903, when the plans for the final Entente Cordiale including Britain were drafted, sterile. A good way of doing this could be by making Russia a bigger threat, real or in the British mind, as to, once that the alliance between France and Russia is signed in 1895, render the possibility of a Franco-British alliance lapsed, with a Fashoda incident only burying further any ideas of friendship that the two governments might still be considering.
However, I don't believe that the Fashoda Incident, even with the 1894 Franco-British rapprochement yeeted away, could lead Britain to side closer to Germany. At best, they'll see France as too arrogant, stubborn and demanding to deal with, while they'd see Germany as too powerful, too dangerous and threatening to even consider letting it continue its progress.
Because a thing people (Mind, not you in particular, just a very common trope in Alternate History), tend to forget is that not only Germany by the early 1890's is representing the biggest threat to British hegemony and the second greatest threat to Britain in the British mind (the first place going to Russia), but France has been trying to get closer to Britain as early as 1830 (granted, there were interruptions, such as from 1871 to 1887, because Thiers, MacMahon and Grévy didn't see the interest in allying Britain, were distrustful of them or just didn't gave a fuck, but with Sadi Carnot and the short lived mandate of Jean-Casimir Perrier, the interest in having Britain as a partner, at first for colonial purposes, the idea that Britain and France can help each other grab as much of Asia, Oceania and Africa as they may, and then from 1895 to 1913, when the mentality is that Britain is the only way for France to beat Germany. All the while, Prussia didn't try that much to get closer to Britain in the first half of the century, in fact the Schleswig Wars, and to an extent the Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian wars in 1866 and 1870 only drew Britain further from Prussia, as no one likes a rising power (I know Prussia is already a power then, read it as no one like someone important gaining more power). Granted, by 1871, a British-German alliance is still well alive on the table, and seems much more appetising than a Franco-British one, since the Empire was overthrown and Napoleon IV won't reign, but there is still the fact lying around that, well, the centuries old Franco-British enmity had its grave dug by Louis-Philippe, and then Napoleon III gladly shoved it down there. For most of the 19th century, it's not the Franco-British enmity talking, it's simply the game of Great Powers, as France and Britain did found themselves more times on the same side, may it be at war, in diplomacy or in simple ideas, than in nearly a millennia of co-existence.

End rant.
 
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My what if on what if the Free City of Danzig continued its existence into the modern era. Like most of eastern Europe, it was occupied by the soviets, turned into a communist state in 1948, and then reverted back into a normal regime in 1989-1990. Thoughts and comments?
 
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