Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes VI (Do Not Post Current Politics or Political Figures Here)

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1916 and 1920

"...I may not be able to stand, but I will tirelessly stand up for the American people..."
-Leonidas Dyer, on accepting the presidential nomination at the Republican National Convention in 1932

The 1920s saw a wave of prosperity across America (except for in rural areas). The governing Democratic Party, in reaction to the progressive era and with the leadership of Albert Ritchie and then Royal Copeland as President, governed in a conservative direction, generally taking a hands-off approach to government. This was widely popular with the public, who itself had a strong reaction to the progressive era and then felt quite happy with the new era of economic prosperity, and the Democrats were able to attain sizable Congressional majorities

But the prosperity was in no small part built on a rotten foundation of bad credit. In 1929, the bubble burst, with the New York Stock Exchange taking a sharp downturn, followed by many bank failures, and (because of these and other reasons) then a worldwide economic depression

The initial Democratic position was that the market would naturally restore itself and that taking a hands-off approach would be best. This was not very popular at all, and things got worse. President Copeland began to consider some degree of economic interventions to hasten the recovery. Some of these actually showed some promise, and would be expanded on significantly with the Fair Deal, but even then, under Copeland such interventions were generally half-assed and underfunded, with the Democrats reluctant to pursue them at all. And the biggest intervention is the one most remembered nowadays. Before the 1920s, Democrats often performed rather poorly in elections in the north of the country, and in the 1920s had ran a number of candidates who were somewhat moderate (if still conservative-leaning) on some issues. In the time of the Depression, a number of these northern Democrats, including President Copeland himself, had come to lean towards arguments from certain factions of the Republican Party regarding trade. As part of their government interventions to fight the Depression, the Democrats, with support from a faction of Republicans, enacted a sizable increase in tariffs. It was hoped that this would spur on the economic recovery, but had the reverse effect - a number of other countries enacted retaliatory tariffs, and the decline in global trade just led to an even worse global economic situation

Going into 1932, President Copeland initially intended to simply not run again, but at the insistence of his party - with few other credible figures willing to run and fearing an electoral wipeout - he reluctantly accepted re-nomination

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Republican Leonidas Dyer was first elected to Congress in the 1910s as a progressive anti-usury platform. By the late 1910s, he had made a name for himself nationally in politics, making the headlines by calling for a federal ban to lynching after the St. Louis race riots and lynchings of Black Americans that occurred during the riots. As the country turned towards conservatism with the advent of the 1920s, Dyer remained a voice for progressivism, and retained his seat in Congress - until 1921, when he was shot by a radical white supremacist. His wounds in the assassination attempt were severe, initially it looked as if he would die, and while he did manage to pull through, one of the bullets that hit him in the assassination attempt had hit his spine and left him paralyzed at the waist and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life

Dyer remained an outspoken progressive, and while he initially stepped down from office in order to focus on recovery, he later again sought political office, being elected to the House in 1926. In 1928, the Missouri Democratic Party saw something of a split at the state level due to conflicts over prohibition (a number of Democrats had opposed it). Seeing an opportunity with that split, Dyer ran for governor, and despite the Democratic landslide nationally, managed to win. As governor, Dyer pushed for rural electrification and other assistance to aid with the 1920s farm crisis, and with the outbreak of the Depression, pushed for unemployment aid, pensions, and other spending to assist the recovery

Dyer's recovery program in Missouri, and the popularity of that program, helped raise his popularity and garnered him national attention. The 1930 midterm elections saw a major gains for the progressive faction of the Republican Party (in part due to Democratic unpopularity and in part due to the progressive Republicans having been the faction of the party that by this time was less supportive of tariffs, including Copeland's Disaster of a tariff), and it appeared that a progressive Republican would have an easy shot at the Republican nomination for 1932. Dyer sought the nomination, and won the most votes on the first ballot at the convention. Some in the party had some concerns, however. For one, he was visibly disabled, requiring the use of a wheelchair - he'd be the first candidate with such a condition, and this could potentially cause issues. Furthermore, he had a record of advocating for Black American civil rights, and while the others in the party weren't opposed to such ideas (by 1932 the party had become dominated by progressive voices), there were concerns that Dyer might potentially push too far in that direction, and hurt the party due to this

After some conversations with some other Republicans, including some of his rivals for the nomination, Dyer reluctantly agreed to stay quiet on civil rights, at least in the short term, with other Republicans expressing hope that the party could use the unpopularity of the Democrats and popularity of the proposed progressive reforms that many Republicans were supporting to expand Republican congressional support and perhaps weaken the Democratic stranglehold over the South. With Dyer's concession on that issue, he saw a wave of delegates flock to him, and won the nomination. For the Vice Presidential nomination, he and the party agreed on Fiorello La Guardia, former rival at the convention, fellow progressive, and Mayor of New York, in part to provide some geographic balance to the Missourian top of the ticket and in part because Dyer and La Guardia simply found themselves to get along reasonably well in negotiations

In the general election, Dyer and fellow Republicans for Congress ran on a platform calling for a "Fair Deal" (visibly calling back to Roosevelt's Square Deal) program of reform and relief for the country. This was quite popular, especially in contrast to Copeland's administration, reeling as it was from the unpopularity due to the Depression in general, as well as backlash for the tariff, and an incident in 1932 where protesting veterans of the great war were violently suppressed by federal forces. Dyer faced some concerns over his disability, but Dyer and Republicans were effectively able to turn that around with rhetoric attacking Copeland and his Democrats for "crippling" the economy, as well as frequently having visibly disabled veterans (including those who had been involved with Bonus Army activism) stand next to Dyer at campaign events. So the main effect of Democratic attacks against Dyer for his disability was simply to make the candidate already heavily favored to win to also look like something of an underdog to many people

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In the election, Dyer won a landslide victory, winning every state outside of the south and achieving the strongest Republican performance in the region since 1872 (before Reconstruction was ended), winning the border-south states of Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware, as well as the formerly solid-south states of North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee. Republicans expanded their control in Congress, with Dyer entering office with a strong majority behind his proposed Fair Deal agenda
 
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Here's another wikibox from Hell or High Water. Initially the murder of Ruhollah Khomeini by SAVAK agents is a sigh of relief for the Jackson administration as another troublesome revolutionary is struck down. Unfortunately for him and the Shah the People Mujahedin and Islamic populists don't go away, and the revolution still happens on time. Sure, no embassies are stormed but the presidential election leads to the fall of the provisional government as the socialists and Islamists clash over their very different visions for Iran. The situation quickly spirals out of control from there.
 
Isn't that a Kick in the Head - The 2060 Presidential Election
in 2043, Wikipedia finally released Wikipedia Gold Edition for the small price of a donation of 1000 dollars. Also, 17 years Later, an election happened.
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Can we post infoboxes about *fantasy* politics (not really possible in our world) which take place in a few years' time, or is it considered "current politics"?
 
Can we post infoboxes about *fantasy* politics (not really possible in our world) which take place in a few years' time, or is it considered "current politics"?
I think if it involves any politicians that are presently involved in politics in our day its considered current politics. So if it's anyone not involved in politics from the last ten years or so, or imaginary people, it's fine even if its set in the present day or in the future.
 
Isn't that a Kick in the Head - The 2060 Presidential Election
in 2043, Wikipedia finally released Wikipedia Gold Edition for the small price of a donation of 1000 dollars. Also, 17 years Later, an election happened.
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no change in electoral votes?
 

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I think if it involves any politicians that are presently involved in politics in our day its considered current politics. So if it's anyone not involved in politics from the last ten years or so, or imaginary people, it's fine even if its set in the present day or in the future.
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Can we post infoboxes about *fantasy* politics (not really possible in our world) which take place in a few years' time, or is it considered "current politics"?
There are limited exceptions. As an example: Bernie Sanders being named the 1st Ambassador to Keppler 438-B (distance from Earth ~470 light years) is unlikely to generate discussion of current events. If it somehow did it would be actionable for the poster trying to start the catfight.

The reason the limitation on current politcs exists is to prevent political debate/flaming outside of Chat.
 
I think if it involves any politicians that are presently involved in politics in our day its considered current politics. So if it's anyone not involved in politics from the last ten years or so, or imaginary people, it's fine even if its set in the present day or in the future.
Yeah, like you get those “2317 federal election for the Moon” type posts, they can go in this thread. Donald Trump, Joe Biden or their kids for example, aren’t.
 
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In 1973, during talks relating to the Cold War, President Richard Nixon hosted Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev. Knowing of the Premier’s love for Western Automobiles, the White House gifted Brezhnev a brand new Lincoln Continental as a gesture of goodwill. Brezhnev was quite taken by the gift. In a departure from typical procedure Brezhnev immediately decided to take it on a joyride. In an even larger departure from typical procedure, Brezhnev insisted Nixon join him. The affair turned from comic to tragic when Brezhnev, unfamiliar with the car, failed to make a turn and hurtled the car off the side of a hill near the Camp David retreat. Brezhnev was killed instantly via a snapped neck, while Nixon died from blood loss related to glass in his neck before rescuers could reach the car.

The Death of an Soviet Leader on American soil would normally have provoked thermonuclear war, as would have the Death of an American Leader in the “care” of a Soviet Driver. However the mutual deaths provided enough breathing space that such matters were avoided, although Nixon’s former staffers took an “ignore President Agnew’s foreign policy ideas” approach during the critical weeks following the incident. Meanwhile Nikolai Podgorny and a resurgent Alexei Kosygin sought to settle domestic affairs rather than pursue war.

Soviet officials of course demanded involvement in the investigation of the event, while American agencies naturally refused. Eventually a compromise was reached that allowed limited observations by representatives from neutral nations to relay the information to the Soviets, termed the “Embassy Row Investigation.” Agnew, in rare accord with Congressional Leadership, was unsatisfied and created the Berger Commission, a blatant attempt to ape the Warren Commission. Despite his attempts at Red Baiting, Agnew was forced to accept the Commission’s report that the crash really was an accident. A secret Soviet investigation carried about by KBG Moles and other spies in America, declassified following the fall of the USSR, code named “Goliath,” reached similar conclusions. Nonetheless conspiracy theories abound, normally centered on the leaders who took power following the crash, rogue intelligence agencies, or the Chinese looking to put a dent in detente.
 
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(I hate myself for doing this but here it is anyway)
So here's a little party infobox, I figured out from my original writeup that the POD is between right now and roughly early 2025. Here's also the full writeup in form of a wikipedia article screenshot. I may extend this scenario later (since there are a few interesting things that are considered but not explained here) but it would likely be in other threads since it would focus on other parts of the timeline that are closer to ours.
 
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In 1973, during talks relating to the Cold War, President Richard Nixon hosted Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev. Knowing of the Premier’s love for Western Automobiles, the White House gifted Brezhnev a brand new Lincoln Continental as a gesture of goodwill. Brezhnev was quite taken by the gift. In a departure from typical procedure Brezhnev immediately decided to take it on a joyride. In an even larger departure from typical procedure, Brezhnev insisted Nixon join him. The affair turned from comic to tragic when Brezhnev, unfamiliar with the car, failed to make a turn and hurtled the car off the side of a hill near the Camp David retreat. Brezhnev was killed instantly via a snapped neck, while Nixon died from blood loss related to glass in his neck before rescuers could reach the car.

The Death of an Soviet Leader on American soil would normally have provoked thermonuclear war, as would have the Death of an American Leader in the “care” of a Soviet Driver. However the mutual deaths provided enough breathing space that such matters were avoided, although Nixon’s former staffers took an “ignore President Agnew’s foreign policy ideas” approach during the critical weeks following the incident. Meanwhile Nikolai Podgorny and a resurgent Alexei Kosygin sought to settle domestic affairs rather than pursue war.

Soviet officials of course demanded involvement in the investigation of the event, while American agencies naturally refused. Eventually a compromise was reached that allowed limited observations by representatives from neutral nations to relay the information to the Soviets, termed the “Embassy Row Investigation.” Agnew, in rare accord with Congressional Leadership, was unsatisfied and created the Berger Commission, a blatant attempt to ape the Warren Commission. Despite his attempts at Red Baiting, Agnew was forced to accept the Commission’s report that the crash really was an accident. A secret Soviet investigation carried about by KBG Moles and other spies in America, declassified following the fall of the USSR, code named “Goliath,” reached similar conclusions. Nonetheless conspiracy theories abound, normally centered on the leaders who took power following the crash, rogue intelligence agencies, or the Chinese looking to put a dent in detente.
this would make a fantastic political thriller. Imagine being the poor chump who gets their first, the Chief of Staff, the poor bastard stuck investigating this mess...
 
this would make a fantastic political thriller. Imagine being the poor chump who gets their first, the Chief of Staff, the poor bastard stuck investigating this mess...
“Hey partner, who are those guys in an unmarked car following us everywhere we go?”

“Either some of our guys or some of theirs. Don’t much care to find out”
 
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Henry Stuart was born in 1640, the third son of King Charles of England, Scotland, and Ireland. Made Duke of Gloucester at a young age, Henry was not expected to take the throne, having two older brothers in Charles, Prince of Wales, and James, Duke of York. However fate, or rather politics, intervened. King Charles and Parliament entered into a death spiral of recriminations and disputes over government finances and Royal prerogatives. This provoked the so called “Great Revolution,” in reality a prolonged civil war between King and his Parliament. In the end, Charles was defeated, but managed to flee to the continent, as did Henry’s elder brothers. Henry, aged 9 was both the most senior Royal in Parliament’s custody and young enough to be intimated by his family’s absolutist/“crypto-Catholic” views alleged Parliament. Chicanery ensued as various factions strived to either negotiate a return for Charles or impose their own settlement. In the end it was the New Model Army, under the reluctant command of Sir Thomas Fairfax who secured Henry, although he did not yet depose Charles. Fairfax was made regent, against his better judgement, under terms broadly similar to the Agreement of the People drafted by Henry Ireton.

Fairfax would govern with a council appointed by Parliament, although the army by this point had purged Parliament to preserve army interests, and generally took a light hand. When Charles returned in 1648 with an Army of Scots and Royalists, Henry was placed under heavy guard against agents of his father, and formerly enthroned as it became apparent no negotiations could be made. Eventually forces under Oliver Cromwell would roll north and conquer Scotland, driving Charles into what would be permanent exile. An opportunity was taken to force the Union so long desired by the Stuarts, and Henry became the first King of Great Britain, a designation that included the Irish, although they were too busy being killed by Cromwell to complain.

Henry’s relationship growing up with the men who had deposed his father was obviously tense, enough so that Parliament would mark the start of it’s agreed upon controls over the Armed Forces and Officers of State not from Henry’s coronation but from his assumption of Royal authority once he was of age. He was known to have particularly disliked Cromwell as well as more religiously fanatical types. That said, he was successfully indoctrinated as a Protestant, hewing to the newly reformed Church of England, although accepting the new leveled of toleration for non-Roman Catholic Christians. Henry seems to have been particularly close to his regent, Thomas Fairfax. Fairfax, having never particularly wanted to be de facto ruler, was willing to let Henry take on responsibilities and guide him towards rulership.

Henry’s assumption of full power in 1652 was greeted with trepidation in the halls of power, but jubilation elsewhere. Fairfax had perhaps been too willing to govern by council and despite a newer, biannual Parliament there was no small amount of mismanagement. Henry was seen as a fix, although major appointment were still being made by Parliament. Panic bells rang when Henry mentioned in passing he might use the Royal Veto prerogative on certain bills to incentivize certain appointments. However this proved to be mere negotiation tactics. Henry never truly liked the arrangements, but was willing to work in good faith with Parliament which meant he was never in any danger of sharing his father’s fate. Even when he gained more control Henry generally consulted before making major decisions, although he always tried to make sure he had the final say.

Drawing, perhaps sensibly, more from his Grandfather than his Father, Henry generally preferred a peaceable foreign policy, a few scuffles with the Dutch aside. His marriage with a good, Protestant Princess was mostly arranged by others, with the King needing to be talked into the match by a now retired Fairfax, but Henry seems to have gotten along quite well with Queen Anna Sophie, having three sons and three daughters, although only one girl survived to adulthood. His eldest and namesake was his favorite, although Henry IX seems to have gotten along well with all of his children, with “Good Duke James” becoming something of a folk hero in Scotland. England’s overseas empire would grow and would generally prosper under Henry, finding a new religious settlement that, while at times uneasy did foster peace. Except in Ireland, where the growth of Plantations under Henry ensures that the Stuarts remain largely despised on the Emerald Isle, although no major rebellions broke out under Henry.

Henry IX would die rather suddenly aged 53 after a brief illness. Some whispered poison although no one could come up with a reasonable suspect other than vague fears of Popery. His son would transition to become Henry X fairly easily, although having not spent his formative years under legal bindings, he was perhaps a bit more willing to tussle with
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