The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II
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Many patriots in Russia believe that Khrushchev "betrayed" Stalin and the "Stalin case".
But.
1)Khrushchev abolished concentration camps.
2)Khrushchev canceled the system of repression.
3)Khrushchev abolished the slavery of the peasants and began to issue them passports. Now the peasant could go anywhere, under Stalin he could not. He was assigned to a collective farm and could not just move to the city.
4)Began the construction of mass housing - the so-called "Khrushchevkas".
5)He carried out a "thaw", power was now in the collective hands of the Politburo, one person could no longer become a dictator.
6)And he also ridiculously criticized the exhibition of avant-garde artists. It is funny
In general, Khrushchev was a simple peasant from the village, and finally gave the Russian people a peaceful life and enjoy life.
I didn’t play for him in TNO, so I don’t know his root.
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Realistically all of them would struggle against even the worst version of Bormann's bloated Wehrmacht and only using the amazing recovery the game allows i think most will have to strike immediately after Bormann's death to retake Moscovien at best.
In 2 of the Speer paths the militarily strong factions like Batov,Rogneda and Tuhk could maybe prevail.
In the G4 path with the Zollverein and collaborators being well established even that goal become a stretch i think.
Honestly the G4 path will be interesting to see in the 2WRW especialy how the fanbase will judge the new Germany and EU being born at the express cost of Russia.
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The only thing making me not consider it blessed is the state atheism.
I would say that it is under Bunyachenko and similar to Zykov and democratic Komi.
Overral good place to live, nice living standard and good foreign relations, but not so militarized as the military dictatorship paths like Bunyachenko or Chita.
Also to keep in consideration for the subject.
Moscovian by the point its retaken is little more than a money blackwhole and it would remain so for all unifiers for a lot of time even after they deal with the settlers and general anarchy.
If they get more than that i severely doubt the ability of most Russia's to hold them or support collaborators of their own.
Even the USSR would struggle to deal with communist forces that remained to wage guerrilla war.
Moscovian by the point its retaken is little more than a money blackwhole and it would remain so for all unifiers for a lot of time even after they deal with the settlers and general anarchy.
If they get more than that i severely doubt the ability of most Russia's to hold them or support collaborators of their own.
Even the USSR would struggle to deal with communist forces that remained to wage guerrilla war.
I'm in fear that he might get removed.
There he's basically sane Stalinist, and the least bad autsoc route.
I do think that a lot of them probably do have an inkling that Imperial Japan is bad, but accept support anyway because they think it's the only way to win. Their tragedy will be in that they think they can retain independence from the Japanese only to wake up one day and find their entire economies owned by Zaibatsu.
I do wonder if in TNOTL some anti-colonial movements might reject Communism entirely and go all in on social conservatism. That's already the case with the Islamists, who the Japanese support if they don't get Italy into the Sphere; what if groups like the Nation of Islam emphasize traditionalism and anti-Communism much more and in turn are much more prominent in the Civil Rights Movement?
For me, Magadan, regardless of who is in charge whether it's Matkovsky, Petlin, or WerBell, they embark on mass militarization, development, and industrialization, and they receive US backing too. Although Matkovsky employs slave labor with the Dalstroy system which exploits political opposition and prisoners for labor.
Although Bunyachenko is good too. That and he also does what South Korean Dictator Park Chung-hee did and mass industrializes/modernizes, plus he develops a strong military force with a Russian Military-Industrial Complex.
Although Bunyachenko is good too. That and he also does what South Korean Dictator Park Chung-hee did and mass industrializes/modernizes, plus he develops a strong military force with a Russian Military-Industrial Complex.
Yeah one of the things TT has cleared up for me is that the 2WRW as we pictured it before is dead. No Russian unifier is getting the kind of GDP as an AI where they would have any chance whatsoever at winning against Germany. This makes me think that the 2WRW will be ore like Russia moving in in support of rebels rather than a straight up equal war between two powers. Russia might be the North Vietnam to the partisan's Vietcong, rather than the USSR to Germany's... Germany.
Interesting. Didn't know about it. But in real life, he was more of a libsoc. If I understand this ideology correctly.
Aaand there it is.
Yeah i'm not listening to this particular historiographical piece of crap.
I'm an American and just thought the name was funny. And no, the only thing positive I said about Stalin and co. is that they weren't as bad as Hitler.
Also no, Stalin and Hitler being just the same for the average russian is just ahistorical nonsense. If you went to an average russian man in 1950 and said that Generalplan Ost being fully implemented wouldn't really be all that different from what they have now, how do you think they'd respond? .
Considering what we know about the Pan-Africanist West Africa my fear would be more that the system will be replicated and legitimate imperialism as the cure for imperialism.
The second West Russian war makes no sense when the Reich already has 20,000 nuclear warheads from the start of the game. I have no doubt that the Reich will launch nuclear strikes on all border cities, airbases and troop concentrations immediately after a united Russia begins its invasion of Muscovy.
I see that only Yazov will go to war with the Reich.
For Velimir, I could see the Afghan scenario. Mad pagans ride toyotas in jeeps across Muscovy and wage an endless guerrilla war, supported by weapons and supplies from Hyperborea. In the end, in the early 80s, the Wehrmacht leaves Muscovy and is occupied by the Hyperboreans. Lol
Russia by that point would have its own nuclear arsenal so MAD is in full effect and neither side would risk strategic deployment(except maybe Yazov) until the situation becomes very desperate.
The practicality of the war doesn't particularly matter,most unifier need to do it to legitimize themselves or restore Russian national pride.
Do not forget that you still need to develop delivery vehicles. Those. Russia needs to create more strategic missiles and strategic bombers and the rest of the aviation to protect them. I really don't see a big war between New Russia and the Reich.
It will be either an Afghan scenario, or short military clashes like Khalin Gol or the Armenian-Azerbaijani war in 2020, where the Russians will recapture their lands piece by piece.
Exactly why the chaos of Bormann's death is borderline necessary for success.
Baronius steakupuncherus, what is your favourite Russian unifier?