TL-191: After the End

What is the tallest building/skyscraper in this timeline? in 2021 and 2162?

By 2021, the tallest skyscraper in the world is the Renaissance and Prosperity Tower in Shanghai, China.

By 2162, the single tallest skyscraper in the world is the Union Midwest Building in Chicago, Illinois. The Union Midwest Building is part of what is popularly referred to as the “Mile High Club,” which are a set of skyscrapers around the world over a mile in height. In 2162, there are mile high buildings located in all of the great powers, as well as in several other countries.

The Union Midwest Building is similar in design and height to “The Illinois,” which was proposed for Chicago in our world by Frank Lloyd Wright.
 
By 2021, the tallest skyscraper in the world is the Renaissance and Prosperity Tower in Shanghai, China.

By 2162, the single tallest skyscraper in the world is the Union Midwest Building in Chicago, Illinois. The Union Midwest Building is part of what is popularly referred to as the “Mile High Club,” which are a set of skyscrapers around the world over a mile in height. In 2162, there are mile high buildings located in all of the great powers, as well as in several other countries.

The Union Midwest Building is similar in design and height to “The Illinois,” which was proposed for Chicago in our world by Frank Lloyd Wright.
Thanks, but how tall is the Union Midwest Building exactly? is it the same as the Illinois? less or more?
 
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What's the status of these German politicians? Haven't had these ones answered yet, realizing it.
Let's add in Friedrich Ebert, Hermann Goering, Otto Grotewahl, Erich Hoekner, Alfred Hugenberg, Wilhelm Pieck, Ernst Thalmann, Walter Ulbricth , and Otto Wels.

My reply will be divided into more than one part.


Erich Honecker didn’t exist in TTL.

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The analogue in TTL to Ernst Thalmann was Johannes Thalmann, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. His life diverged early from that of his OTL counterpart when his parents were not arrested by the authorities. Johannes Thalmann, like his OTL counterpart, would eventually leave home and travel to the USA in the early 1900s while working on a freight ship. Unlike in our world, Thalmann would eventually leave permanently for the USA, arriving in New York City in 1912. By the outbreak of the First Great War in 1914, Thalmann was living in Chicago, within the large German-American community.

Thalmann enlisted in the US Army, and served on the Ontario Front, where he was wounded in action in 1915 and eventually sent back to Chicago. His experiences on the Western Front led to the development of anti-war views. Thalmann was already an enthusiastic supporter of the Socialist Party, and celebrated the victory of Upton Sinclair in the presidential elections of 1920.

Thalmann found work during the 1920s as a correspondent for several German-language newspapers in Chicago. He also started to write short works of fiction on the side; he would write in German and then have them translated into English before submitting them to journals or newspapers affiliated with the Socialist Party. Most of Thalmann’s short stories involved working class protagonists overcoming a personal struggle or struggle as they became committed Socialists.

Thalmann’s remained a staunch supporter of the Socialist Party for the rest of his life, although he never ran for office himself. His own antiwar views began to erode in the 1930s in response to the rise of the Featherston regime in the CSA. By the time of the plebiscites organized by the Al Smith administration, Thalmann had more or less repudiated his earlier antiwar positions; he was wary, as a resident of Illinois, of the CSA regaining Kentucky.

Thalmann, with the outbreak of the Second Great War in 1941, went to work in a Chicago armaments factory. His eldest son, Upton, enlisted in the US Army, and would survive the Battle of Pittsburg and the subsequent long campaign to defeat the CSA. Johannes Thalmann was devastated by the news of the British superbomb attack against Hamburg in 1944, and by the loss of several relatives of his.

After the end of the SGW, Upton Thalmann was stationed in North Carolina for another two years, before leaving the military in 1946. Johannes Thalmann finally began his own retirement in 1950, and spent the rest of his life both writing fiction and participating in postwar college courses offered by Chicago universities for retirees and veterans. Thalmann died in 1965.

Upton Thalmann was encouraged by his father to pursue his own literary ambitions, and saw his first work of science fiction published in a Chicago journal in 1952. Upton Thalmann’s best known work by 2021 is Lunar Flame, published in 1962 and proving to be a bestseller. The setting for this story is a futuristic colony on the Moon in which the colonists succeed in revolting against their dictator, a thinly-veiled caricature of Jake Featherston. Although several attempts at a film adaptation of Lunar Flame in the 1960s and 1970s failed, Upton Thalmann was able to successfully oversee - a successful 1989 Broadway adaptation of Lunar Flame as a Space Opera.

By 2021, several members of the extended Thalmann family are working in film, stage, and television in both Los Angeles and New York City. One member of the family, Sylvia Thalmann Dupont, is a noted cinematographer, as well as a part-time instructor at the New School of Cinema and Fine Art in New York City.

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The analogue in TTL to Walter Ulbricht was Ernst Ulbricht, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Ulbricht in TTL worked as a joiner. He served in the Imperial German Army in the First Great War, and would return to working as a joiner. Ulbricht was a staunch supporter of the Social Democratic Party, but never engaged in political activism.

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The analogue in TTL to Otto Grotewohl was Emil Grotewohl, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He enlisted in the Imperial German Army in 1914, and was killed in action on the Eastern Front in 1916.

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The analogue to Hermann Göring was Wilhelm Göring, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Wilhelm Göring served in the Imperial German Army during the First Great War. He never became a combat pilot. He was severely wounded during the Battle of Verdun. Göring, while recovering from his injuries, developed a morphine addiction, and eventually died of a drug overdose in 1919.
 
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My reply will be divided into more than one part.


Erich Honecker didn’t exist in TTL.

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The analogue in TTL to Ernst Thalmann was Johannes Thalmann, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. His life diverged early from that of his OTL counterpart when his parents were not arrested by the authorities. Johannes Thalmann, like his OTL counterpart, would eventually leave home and travel to the USA in the early 1900s while working on a freight ship. Unlike in our world, Thalmann would eventually leave permanently for the USA, arriving in New York City in 1912. By the outbreak of the First Great War in 1914, Thalmann was living in Chicago, within the large German-American community.

Thalmann enlisted in the US Army, and served on the Ontario Front, where he was wounded in action in 1915 and eventually sent back to Chicago. His experiences on the Western Front led to the development of anti-war views. Thalmann was already an enthusiastic supporter of the Socialist Party, and celebrated the victory of Upton Sinclair in the presidential elections of 1920.

Thalmann found work during the 1920s as a correspondent for several German-language newspapers in Chicago. He also started to write short works of fiction on the side; he would write in German and then have them translated into English before submitting them to journals or newspapers affiliated with the Socialist Party. Most of Thalmann’s short stories involved working class protagonists overcoming a personal struggle or struggle as they became committed Socialists.

Thalmann’s remained a staunch supporter of the Socialist Party for the rest of his life, although he never ran for office himself. His own antiwar views began to erode in the 1930s in response to the rise of the Featherston regime in the CSA. By the time of the plebiscites organized by the Al Smith administration, Thalmann had more or less repudiated his earlier antiwar positions; he was wary, as a resident of Illinois, of the CSA regaining Kentucky.

Thalmann, with the outbreak of the Second Great War in 1941, went to work in a Chicago armaments factory. His eldest son, Upton, enlisted in the US Army, and would survive the Battle of Pittsburg and the subsequent long campaign to defeat the CSA. Johannes Thalmann was devastated by the news of the British superbomb attack against Hamburg in 1944, and by the loss of several relatives of his.

After the end of the SGW, Upton Thalmann was stationed in North Carolina for another two years, before leaving the military in 1946. Johannes Thalmann finally began his own retirement in 1950, and spent the rest of his life both writing fiction and participating in postwar college courses offered by Chicago universities for retirees and veterans. Thalmann died in 1965.

Upton Thalmann was encouraged by his father to pursue his own literary ambitions, and saw his first work of science fiction published in a Chicago journal in 1952. Upton Thalmann’s best known work by 2021 is Lunar Dawn, published in 1962 and proving to be a bestseller. The setting for this story is a futuristic colony on the Moon in which the colonists succeed in revolting against their dictator, a thinly-veiled caricature of Jake Featherston. Although several attempts at a film adaptation of Lunar Dawn in the 1960s and 1970s failed, Upton Thalmann was able to successfully oversee - a successful 1989 Broadway adaptation of Lunar Dawn as a Space Opera.

By 2021, several members of the extended Thalmann family are working in film, stage, and television in both Los Angeles and New York City. One member of the family, Sylvia Thalmann Dupont, is a noted cinematographer, as well as a part-time instructor at the New School of Cinema and Fine Art in New York City.

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The analogue in TTL to Walter Ulbricht was Ernst Ulbricht, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Ulbricht in TTL worked as a joiner. He served in the Imperial German Army in the First Great War, and would return to working as a joiner. Ulbricht was a staunch supporter of the Social Democratic Party, but never engaged in political activism.

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The analogue in TTL to Otto Grotewohl was Emil Grotewohl, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He enlisted in the Imperial German Army in 1914, and was killed in action on the Eastern Front in 1916.

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The analogue to Hermann Göring was Wilhelm Göring, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Wilhelm Göring served in the Imperial German Army during the First Great War. He never became a combat pilot. He was severely wounded during the Battle of Verdun. Göring, while recovering from his injuries, developed a morphine addiction, and eventually died of a drug overdose in 1919.
Thanks. Let's add in Rudolf Breitscheid as well.
 
By 2162, does the Mid-South ever recover from the SGW to have at least moderate living standards compared to the rest of USA?

Also top 10 biggest cities in TTL by 2021 and 2162 please?
 
By 2162, does the Mid-South ever recover from the SGW to have at least moderate living standards compared to the rest of USA?

Also top 10 biggest cities in TTL by 2021 and 2162 please?

By 2021, the ten largest US cities, in descending order, are New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Diego, Toronto, Havana, Boston, and Detroit.

By 2162, the nine largest US cities, in descending order, are New York City, Chicago (now including Gary, Indiana), Toronto, Minneapolis-Saint Paul (considered a single city), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Winnipeg. By 2162, the cities of Boise, Buffalo, Calgary, Cleveland, Columbus, Denver, Edmonton, Reno, and San Diego-Tijuana (considered a single city) are each a contender, in terms of population size, for the tenth largest US city.

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By 2162, the economic and demographic situation in the Midsouth has somewhat stabilized. However, the region has continued to see an annual population net out-migration. The region has been negatively affected by the effects of climate change.
 
By 2021, the ten largest US cities, in descending order, are New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Diego, Toronto, Havana, Boston, and Detroit.

By 2162, the nine largest US cities, in descending order, are New York City, Chicago (now including Gary, Indiana), Toronto, Minneapolis-Saint Paul (considered a single city), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Winnipeg. By 2162, the cities of Boise, Buffalo, Calgary, Cleveland, Columbus, Denver, Edmonton, Reno, and San Diego-Tijuana (considered a single city) are each a contender, in terms of population size, for the tenth largest US city.

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By 2162, the economic and demographic situation in the Midsouth has somewhat stabilized. However, the region has continued to see an annual population net out-migration. The region has been negatively affected by the effects of climate change.
Thanks, though I meant ten largest cities in the world of TTL of both 2021 and 2162?
 
When will TTL’s USA elect the first “movie star” President (ie, actor turned politician)?

Senator Alistair Montclair of Manitoba, of the Republican Party, was the victor in the US presidential elections of 2084. Montclair, prior to his political career, enjoyed a degree of national fame as the star of a number of popular dramatic series, which were broadcasted online.
 
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By 2021, the ten largest US cities, in descending order, are New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Diego, Toronto, Havana, Boston, and Detroit.

By 2162, the nine largest US cities, in descending order, are New York City, Chicago (now including Gary, Indiana), Toronto, Minneapolis-Saint Paul (considered a single city), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Winnipeg. By 2162, the cities of Boise, Buffalo, Calgary, Cleveland, Columbus, Denver, Edmonton, Reno, and San Diego-Tijuana (considered a single city) are each a contender, in terms of population size, for the tenth largest US city.

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By 2162, the economic and demographic situation in the Midsouth has somewhat stabilized. However, the region has continued to see an annual population net out-migration. The region has been negatively affected by the effects of climate change.

Are you going by metro areas or municipalities proper?

Interesting that San Francisco is able to keep up... due to its geographic restraints. Unless it has swallowed up part or all of San Mateo county at some point. Even in OTL SF is no longer in the top three in California (San Jose and San Diego are larger and both have more space to grow within their respective counties). This brings me to a second question; what legal wrangling is necessary for a municipality to annex a city in another state? This seems to be the case for Chicago and SanDiego-Tijuana.

I do like the fact that Detroit is able to keep up. And that the "rust belt" in general appears much healthier in TTL.
 
Are you going by metro areas or municipalities proper?

Interesting that San Francisco is able to keep up... due to its geographic restraints. Unless it has swallowed up part or all of San Mateo county at some point. Even in OTL SF is no longer in the top three in California (San Jose and San Diego are larger and both have more space to grow within their respective counties). This brings me to a second question; what legal wrangling is necessary for a municipality to annex a city in another state? This seems to be the case for Chicago and SanDiego-Tijuana.

I do like the fact that Detroit is able to keep up. And that the "rust belt" in general appears much healthier in TTL.

I was going by municipalities.

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By 2162, San Francisco managed to maintain a sizable population in comparison to other major US cities both through building up and the gradual incorporation of some surrounding areas.

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There were any number of legal issues in the cross-state merger of cities. By 2162, this is still not particularly common in the United States. Of course, by 2162, many, though not all, settings in US science fiction tend to be city states.

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Detroit in TTL benefited from a more successful domestic US automobile industry compared to to our world. Detroit is also an important center manufacturing related to US military needs. If the US aerospace industry is centered in southern California by 2021, then the production of barrels and other armored vehicles is still mostly centered in Detroit and other Midwest manufacturing centers.
 
What is the GDP of the German Empire, Austria-Hungary, the United States and the rest of the greatpowers in 2021 and 2162?

By 2021, the USA has the world’s largest economy by GNP. The USA, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and German Empire are each among the top ten countries by GDP per capita by 2021.

By 2162, Bharat, China, and the USA are the top three countries in the world by GNP. All of the great powers by 2162, including the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Bharat, the Empire of Brazil, the Congolese Federation, China, the German Empire, Persia, the Russian Republic, and the USA, are among the top twenty economies of the world by GDP per capita. These 2162 economic rankings are for terrestrial economies, and do not factor the growth of new extractive industries across the Solar System by the 2160s.

I do not have specific information pertaining to either the GNP or GDP of these countries either for 2021 or 2162.
 
By 2021, the USA has the world’s largest economy by GNP. The USA, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and German Empire are each among the top ten countries by GDP per capita by 2021.

By 2162, Bharat, China, and the USA are the top three countries in the world by GNP. All of the great powers by 2162, including the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Bharat, the Empire of Brazil, the Congolese Federation, China, the German Empire, Persia, the Russian Republic, and the USA, are among the top twenty economies of the world by GDP per capita. These 2162 economic rankings are for terrestrial economies, and do not factor the growth of new extractive industries across the Solar System by the 2160s.

I do not have specific information pertaining to either the GNP or GDP of these countries either for 2021 or 2162.
It's interesting to see Austria-Hungary surviving until 2162. A multi-ethnic empire destined to fall is surviving becomes one of the great powers.
 
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