History Discussion: "You blew it! You had one job, and you blew it!" Moments in history

The Achaemenid Empire had a pretty impressive string of those in its dealings with Ancient Greece:

I. Late 6th century BC. Ambassadors of the newly established Athenian democracy show up in Sardis, asking to become tributaries in exchange for protection for their new regime. Persia has the opportunity to get a great new beachead in Europe and to harness whatever strenght this democracy thing might have to its advantage. The only downside is that the familly of the former tyrants of Athens, currently in exile at the Persian court, won't be happy but, frankly, who cares? The Great King can always give them a nice governorship somewhere else if they feel bad for them...

Instead of accepting the Persians insist that the Athenians take back their former tyrants as part of the deal, pretty much defeating the purpose from an Athenian pov, turning a potential new tributarie in a state that would be leary of Persia and opening the possibility that the political energy behind this democracy thing might one day turn against Persia.

II. Fast forward about thirth years later, said political have turned out to do just that, playing a key role in the beginning of the Ionian Revolt, and Athens has sent a fleet to help the Ionians. Once the revolt has been crushed the Persian corps sent in a punitive expedition was slaughtered at Marathon. The commercial embargo launched against Athens after has also not really worked, as they have managed to redirect their commerce westward and found a silver mine in Laurion, they are now building a nice new fleet. Between the troubles the Ionians have caused and Marathon it is pretty clear the Hellenes could be trouble if they ever get toguether.

Thankfully they are super divided and the Ionian revolt did get crushed, after all, so the Great King is free to turn its attention to other directions, more important ones for Persia's security (such as Central Asia) or promising greater economic gains for conquests (such as India).

Instead, it turn out that Xerxes eventually decided to muster a massive fleet and army to throw them at not just Athens but the whole of Hellas, to show everybody who is boss.

III. Fast forward another thirty years and things haven't really turned out as expected for the Persians... The Spartan hoplites have turned out to be THAT good and Athens' nice new fleet of three decades is now downright legendary for being borderline invincible. The invasion fleet was smashed at Salamis and Mycale and the elite of Persians forces were slaughtered at Platea. The Athenians then proceded to take over the former Persian subjects in Ionia and in the Aegean, wage war alone against Persia and win, forcing the Persians to recognise the loses in territories.

This suck for the Persians, there is no two ways about it, but it isn't the end of the world. Attempts of other provinces to break off, usually with Helenic assistance, have been mostly dealt with and Persia can make up for its looses in other regions which, once again, should have been more important to them then the Aegean. Basically, the Hellenes are only THAT important to the Great King because he make them. If the events have shown anything is that the Hellenes are now better left alone and there is no reason not to do it.

IV. Fast forward a bit less then another century and a half, have the Persians done that? Nope, instead they have meddled in the Peloponesian War in exchange for getting the Ionian cities back and when the Spartans predictably reneged on their part of the deal they proceeded to then help then Athenians get back on their feets, but then Athens was recovering a bit too fast for their comfort and they turned to Sparta again...

As part of their manoeuver to keep the Hellenes of Old Helas to ever challenge Persian domination of Ionia again a series of Great Kings have spent far more ressources then what Ionia gave them in the first place. Moreover, and far more importantly, Persia's actions have lead to a current of opinion in Old Hellas according to which the Hellenes should stop fight against each other and instead unite against the Persians. This was both a frankly predictable turn of events and a very dangerous one, as the last war between the Greek cities of the mainland and Persia has demonstrated that the later might very well loose. Without that current of opinion Philip II of Macedon would have probably faced a far more dogged resistance too.

Then, in 334 BC Alexander crossed into Asia...
 
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Nah, Hitler had terrible paintings, the shading was horrendous
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And I thought people would use images to prove or disprove their statements on art. Guess I was mistaken.

For the passerby, so far as I know Hitler painted all of these.
 
Being the President of the Republic of Texas and trying to keep it independent was always going to be a difficult task. However, one fuckup Nationalist by the name of Mirabeau Lamar all but ensured that Texas would become an American state by the end of his presidency despite his entire presidency defined by being anti-annexation and trying to strengthen Texas power. He started wars against the Cherokee and Comanche even though Sam Houston successfully had peace treaties with them just because he wanted land when he already had a fuck ton of it, even discounting the land claimed by Mexico. He drove the nation into heavy debt with huge spending while making the Texan currency based on the amount of land the government owned when they were giving it away like hot cakes, raising the debt by five times the amount he had when he went to office. And he went to war with Mexico with no long-term plans on what the hell he would do for victory or how it would benefit Texas, just hoping that by invading New Mexico and take it then Texas would be great. I admire his spirit for wanting to keep Texas independent and he at least was a good leader when it came to education, but he was far too overzealous and doomed independence.
 
1. after the battle of Caudine Forks, the Samnite commander Gaius Pontius asked his Father herennius what to do of the Romans . Herennius suggested to let the Romans go at first but was rejected so he suggested to kill them all. His logic was that it is better to have friendly relations with Rome or get rid of it them.

Most people Rejected his Message. They hated Herennius because he told the truth.

2. Hanno the Great probably better known as Hanno the Imbecile , Hanno the Idiot , Hanno the Fool or Hanno the Halfwitted . Anyways Hanno was partially responsible for the Mercenary war and also refused to send reinforcements to Hannibal due to his faction having control of the Senate . More or less he is somewhat responsible for destroying Carthage and is also a great example why you shouldn’t give the title ‘The Great’ to random people .
 

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@King Soter you left out the best part. Gaius Pontius ended up creating his own option: humiliate the Romans by forcing them to pass under a yoke, then release them to go home. This humiliating event ended any possible chance of a peaceful outcome and set Rome fully against the Samnites. From them till the Arab conquests, only the Carthaginians were more hated by Romans. The resulting bad blood was such that two hundred years later Samnium was the most volatile front of the Social War. In that war the later dictator Sulla, a legate at the time with propraetorian imperium I think, devastated Samnium to such an extent that some people think the region is markedly poorer today due to his plundering.
 

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I would say the Gauls were hated by Rome than Carthage .
I wouldn't say so. There were the Gauls of Brennus, yes an existential threat but of short duration. Whereas the power of Carthage harried the middle Republic hard for two decades, costing tens of thousands of lives, and was a threat for decades prior as well. Otherwise Roman opinion of Gaul by the late Republic was that they were of great use as auxilia cavalry, and they were a buffer against the Germans.
 
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And I thought people would use images to prove or disprove their statements on art. Guess I was mistaken.

For the passerby, so far as I know Hitler painted all of these.
The flowers look decent, but I can't say the same for the other three...

Anyway, another "you blew it" moment: the Byzantine Empire's utter failure at dealing with the Seljuk Turks. Overreliance on underpaid mercenaries, breaking truces when they didn't have the power to back it up, not letting their enemies fight each-other instead of themselves, and then getting the Emperor captured in the battle! While there weren't actually that many casualties, the PR disaster also resulted in the Byzantines losing any semblance of political stability and collapsing into civil war, giving the Seljuks a very easy time conquering Anatolia.
...and that's why we now call Anatolia "Turkey" even to this day!
 
Gavrilo Princip: You don't want to assassinate Franz Ferdinand. You want to go home and rethink your life. Please, spend some time rethinking your life.
I mean, one could argue the assassination achieved the intended goal as a Serb-dominated Yugoslavia arose after the Great War.
 
Good ol' Mir Jafar, Amir Chand and the Sethi banking clan of Bengal, all of whom conspired with the British to bring down Siraj ud-Daulah, Nawab of Bengal. In doing so, they would allow the British to assert control over the richest and one of the most populous regions of India, and in doing so all but assure that a large portion (if not all) of the subcontinent would fall under direct European colonial rule. And this is not even mentioning the famines and wars which these actions resulted in.
 
What is one moment in history, where someone or some people had a chance to alter the course of history and failed so miserably, that makes you just exclaim outload "You blew it! You had one job, and you blew it!"?
The Peace Negotiators discussing the Treaty of Versailles and the treaty of St. Germain certainly setup the stage for WW2 and another large scale war. They should have taken a page from their ancestors and sought a largely conciliatory peace rather than totally destroying the status quo/balance of power on the European stage.

With how Germany was humiliated it was only a matter of time before she sought war once again to avenge her wounded pride. As for Austria-Hungary, the mismanagement of its dissolution, or the peace treaty largely sowed many of the seeds for the future tensions and ethnic conflict that would devastate the region in the coming years. Austria-Hungary probably should have been kept around in some capacity as a potential counterweight to Russia or any of the other Great Powers.

Anyway, another "you blew it" moment: the Byzantine Empire's utter failure at dealing with the Seljuk Turks. Overreliance on underpaid mercenaries, breaking truces when they didn't have the power to back it up, not letting their enemies fight each-other instead of themselves, and then getting the Emperor captured in the battle! While there weren't actually that many casualties, the PR disaster also resulted in the Byzantines losing any semblance of political stability and collapsing into civil war, giving the Seljuks a very easy time conquering Anatolia.
Well Constantine X disbanded the large garrison (It was around 20,000 troops or so) that was actually guarding the Armenian border forts when the Seljuks started raiding. The imbecile gutted the army/frontier defenses when the Emperor was being attacked by foreign threats. He wanted more funds to pursue his lavish lifestyle in Constantinople and concentrate of civilian affairs. He was deluded into thinking that he could try to mend the schism between the Armenian Apostolic Church and the the Roman (Greek) Orthodox Church while Roman Armenia was being invaded. Constantine X somehow also kept avoiding assassination attempts/coup attempts levied against him. He's the historical equivalent into dumping all your skill points into luck lol.

As for the Turks, that's all on Constantine X rather than Romanos IV as previous monarchs like Empress Theodora (Basil's niece not Justinian's wife) was able to quite easily deal with Turkish raids during her reign.

As for Manzikert, Romanos IV had a pretty solid strategy, but he was screwed over by circumstances out of his control. He was betrayed by the Doukas family who spread false rumors while he was fighting the Turkish army. This caused most his forces to panic thinking he was dead and as a result he was deserted by his men. This created a power vacuum that spurred on other aristocrats to try and take the throne for themselves.

The rise of Alexios Komnenos was basically a coup by the military aristocracy who formed a common coalition with the Church and other parts of Byzantine society to save the Empire. After Bryennios oversaw the near total loss of Anatolia to the Turks, the nobles realized how much they screwed up. And to his credit, Alexios I did his best to try and mend those issues. Though his policies such as the pronoia system did have long term consequences that backfired for the Empire. Emperor Andronikos tried to aggressively deal with this, but his heavy handed manner led to him being deposed and brutally executed.

It's pretty similar to what happened to Emperor Heinrich IV who was more of an aggressive an authoritarian ruler. Rather than maintaining the collaborative and conciliatory policy towards the nobles that the Ottonians had, he pissed them all off leading to them uniting under his son Heinrich V. Of course Heinrich V later embraced his father's policies leading to the alienation of the nobility from the Emperor. By the time of the rise of the Hohenstaufens, Germany was now undergoing a massive period of economic, cultural, and intellectual development. If the Salians had been more tactful and held the throne (it was de-facto hereditary under them), they likely could have re-introduced and Justinianic Law to the HRE making it more "Roman" and Imperial. Frederick Barbarossa tried this, but he had to resort to largely underhanded tactics/loopholes to re-assert Imperial power in Germany.

Though where Frederick Barbarossa royally screwed up was where he pissed off Manuel Komnenos by ignoring his Imperial dignity and proclaiming himself the sole Augustus in the "Roman world." Manuel would later screw over the Hohenstaufens' attempts to re-assert Imperial control in Italy and the structures of the Kingdom of the Romans (Medieval Kingdom of Italy) when he bankrolled the first Lombard League. This furthered the development of Italy fracturing into various communes leading to the eventual formation of the various city states that peaked during the Reinaissance. The outcome of the Battle of Legano would have ripple effects that would change the course of both Italian and German history for centuries.

As for the HRE, the Hohenstaufens also inadvertently destroyed the structure of the HRE allowing it to fracture. The destruction of the old Stem Duchies like Saxony led to a temporary increase of Royal power in Germany as the Guelph Dukes of Saxony had many of their vassals stripped from them and granted imperial immediacy (sworn directly to the Emperor). This however led to trend of Germany being fractured over time.

Here's a map of the traditional administrative split of the HRE during the 11th century:
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A map of the HRE by the early 13th Century during the reign of Philip of Swabia who ruled as "King of the Germans."

Honestly the idea of people in history that have "one job and blew it" is quite rare tbh and a pretty microscopic view of the situation lacking the larger context. Most of the time these events are just a product of already existing historical circumstances. Gavrilo Princip assassinating Franz-Ferdinand was one of simply many events that could have triggered WW1 as tensions were already high prior to the war, and everyone involved had gotten arrogant and forgotten the horrors of the Napoleonic Wars with it being largely romanticized as a thing of the past.

Though another example of such an event is the surprise murder of Philip of Swabia by Otto Count Palatine of the Rhine. It was a surprise event largely thanks to Otto's insanity which led to the collapse of Royal power in Germany as a power vaccum started to emerge thanks to the Hohenstaufens being now indisposed. Otto IV whose rebellion was largely reduced to his castle in Braunschweig, took the Imperial title until he was later succeeded by Frederick II. Of course Frederick II preferred to stay in Palermo letting the German nobility do whatever they wanted. This exacerbated power vaccum led to the collapse of Royal Power that would eventually lead to the rise of the Habsburgs.
 
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Honestly circumstances of people in history that have "one job and blew it" is quite rare tbh. Most of the time these events are just a product of already existing historical circumstances. Gavrilo Princip assassinating Franz-Ferdinand was one of simply many events that could have triggered WW1 as tensions were already high prior to the war, and everyone involved had gotten arrogant and forgotten the horrors of the Napoleonic Wars with it being largely romanticized as a thing of the past.
Related to this argument on those circumstances being rare:
One thing I was thinking of as a possible "You blew it!" is Cornwallis's less than prudent campaigning in the southern colonies (in 1780-1781 in general, not Yorktown). And that's less "if only he hadn't done this victory was assured." and more of a "Surprisingly enough, being audacious is not necessarily a good strategy." that ultimately ended badly.

There's not really a point in the American Revolution I can think of that is "Wow, if only someone who wasn't a total idiot was in charge the British would have won.", but there are a fair number of frustratingly bad decisions on both sides.
 
Peter III of Russia's pro-Prussian shenanigans. Russia had taken East Prussia away from Prussia-Brandenburg, but the Tsar gave it back because he liked Prussia. So, let's look at the consequences of this.

1) It made him extremely unpopular with the Russians, which led to him being deposed by Catherine the Great and later dying.
2) Prussia united Germany under their brutal militarism which caused both World Wars.
3) WWI ended the Russian Tsardom entirely and put the country in the hands of the communists.

If Peter had just shut up and kept the land, we would have had no WWI, no communism, and no Nazis. Big. Oof.
 
1) It made him extremely unpopular with the Russians, which led to him being deposed by Catherine the Great and later dying.
2) Prussia united Germany under their brutal militarism which caused both World Wars.
3) WWI ended the Russian Tsardom entirely and put the country in the hands of the communists.

If Peter had just shut up and kept the land, we would have had no WWI, no communism, and no Nazis. Big. Oof.
There not being a worldwide war at any point would have been about as likely as something in the 18th century causing the exact string of events that led up to 1917 and 33. Give him a break, will you?
 
The Peace Negotiators discussing the Treaty of Versailles and the treaty of St. Germain certainly setup the stage for WW2 and another large scale war. They should have taken a page from their ancestors and sought a largely conciliatory peace rather than totally destroying the status quo/balance of power on the European stage.
I don't want to derail this thread, so we can do this in dms if you want, can you provide concrete examples? the reparations were needed to get France and Belgium back on their feet, and so they could pay the U.S and Britain back, who also needed to get the use off its back. The territories lost were also rather minor, such as to Denmark and the colonies, stated war goals Germany knew it was gambling if it went to war (Alsace-Lorraine) or were necessary so another country could have a viable economy (Danzig)

the congress of Vienna wanted to make sure that no country could dominate the continent, which was also a big part of Versailles (and why it wasn't harsher, because the english and Americans were concerned that France would be able to Napoleon Europe again, despite it being very clear by that point they couldn't 1v1 Germany.) Importantly, France only lost what it had gained in the coalition wars, i.e what it had taken when it dominated the continent. Germany thoroughly dominated the continent from inception, and its losses clearly didn't actually effect the ability to wage war
 
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