List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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George III, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1738-1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz (1744 to Present)
1) George IV, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1762-1830) [1] m. 1785, Maria Fitzherbert (1756-1837), later Marchioness of Brighton [2]​
•) No issues
2) Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, (1763-1827) m. 1791, Frederica Charlotte of Prussia (1767-1820)​
1) George V, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1792-1870) [3] m.​
3) William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (1765-1837) cohabited with, Dorothea Jordon (née Bland)​
•) no legitimate issue
1) George FitzClarence, later Earl of Munster and Clarence (1794–1842) m.
2) Henry Edward FitzClarence (1795–1817)​
3) Sophia FitzClarence (1796–1837) m. Philip Sidney, 1st Baron De L'Isle and Dudley.
4) Mary FitzClarence (1798–1864) m. General Charles Richard Fox​
5) Lieutenant General Lord Frederick FitzClarence, later Earl of St. Andrew (1799-1854) m.​
6) Elizabeth FitzClarence (1801–1856) m. William Hay, 18th Earl of Erroll.
7) Rear-Admiral Lord Adolphus FitzClarence later (1802–1856) m.
8) Augusta FitzClarence (1803–1865) m. 1827, a) Hon. John Kennedy-Erskine, b) Admiral Lord Frederick Gordon-Hallyburton.​
Lord Augustus FitzClarence, later Dean of St. George’s Chapel (1805-1854) m. Sarah Gordon.
Amelia FitzClarence (1807–1858) m. Lucius Bentinck Cary, 10th Viscount Falkland.​
4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (1766-1828) m. 1797, Frederick I of Württemberg (1754-1816)​
•) No issues
5) Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (1767-1820) cohabited with, Madame Alphonsine-Thérèse-Bernardine-Julie de Montgenêt de Saint-Laurent (1760-1830)​
•) No issues
6) Augusta Sophia (1768-1840)​
7) Elizabeth (1770-1840) m. 1818, Frederick VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg (1769-1829)​
•) No Issues.
8) Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1771-1851) m. 1815, Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1778-1841)​
1) Princess Frederica of Cumberland (1817)
2) Stillborn daughter (1818)​
3) George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1819-​
9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (1773- m. 1793; annulled 1794, a) Lady Augusta Murray (1768–1830) m. 1831, b) Lady Cecilia Letitia Buggin (1793–1873)​
•) No legitimate issues
1a) Augustus Frederick d'Este, later Earl of Surrey (1794—1848)​
2a) Augusta Emma d'Este (1801-1866)​
10) Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (1774-1850) Died unmarried.
11) Mary (1776-1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (1776–1834)​
•) No Issues
12) Sophia (1777-1848) Died unmarried.
13) Prince Octavius (1779–1783)
14) Prince Alfred (1780-1782)
15) Amelia (1783-1810) Died unmarried.

[1] With his younger brother marrying and producing an heir, George decides not to “marry a foreign noble bride” instead preferring to have his secret wife, Maria Fitzherbert, by his side, his large debt doesnt begin to be paid off until he becomes Prince Regent in 1811.
[2] Upon the death of her father-in-law, George III in 1820, Maria was given the royal title of Marchioness of Brighton, as well as possession of Brighton Pavilion.
Upon the death of her husband, his nephew allowed her to keep her title and land, as well as being able to be referred to as widowed, she was however not allowed the pension of dowager Queen or dowager Princess of Wales.
[3] George V, known privately as the “Honeymoon Prince” being born nine months after his parents wedding and would be their only child as their marriage was not a happy one and the couple soon separated. Frederica retired to Oatlands.
George would grow up in his own household situated within Gunnersbury House in Hounslow, arranged by his grandfather and uncles, brought from Colonel Ironside, who sold it in 1792, the house had previously been owned by Princess Amelia, favourite daughter of George II.
Here George would have his uncle, Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, the only living son of George III, who didn’t pursue an army or navy career, serve as Governor, and Augustus’s liberal views were influential on the young Prince.
A year after his birth his father went back to his military duties, seeing too much of his wife in his son.
Some spoke about him joking the military, however in 1808, 16 year old George was the only legitimate grandchild and heir after his uncle and dad. Instead they began discussing potential brides[4].
At the age of 28, in 1820, Prince George would receive news of his grandfathers death and upon his uncle, becoming George IV, Prince George was given the titles of Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay, Earl of Chester and Carrick and Baron of Renfrew. These were all titles usually share by Prince of Wales, and were given as a sign of him being second in line to the throne.
When his father died in 1827, as well as succeeding to the Dukedom of York and Albany, George IV also created him as gave him the official heir title of Prince of Wales.
He would hold all these titles for three years until his uncles own death in 1830, at 38 year old, he became George V.
[4] Potential Brides:
- Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (1792- 1849), OTL wife of King William IV of the United Kingdom.
- Ida of of Saxe-Meiningen (1794-1852)
- Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796-1850) daughter of Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, wife of Duke of Cumberland.
- Princess Ida of Waldeck and Pyrmont (26 September 1796 – 12 April 1869)
- Charlotte Louise of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1794-1825)
- Princess Caroline of Denmark (1793–1881) Bit of an issue when Denmark allied with Napoleonic France, but her paternal grandmother was Caroline Matilda of Great Britain.
 

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The Hannover dynasty last longer, with a P.o.D. being the birth of Frederick, Duke of York and Albany’s son.

George III, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1738-1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz (1744 to Present)
1) George IV, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1762-1830) [1] m. 1785, Maria Fitzherbert (1756-1837), later Marchioness of Brighton [2]​
•) No issues
2) Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, (1763-1827) m. 1791, Frederica Charlotte of Prussia (1767-1820)​
1) George V, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1792-1870) [3] m.​
3) William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (1765-1837) cohabited with, Dorothea Jordon (née Bland)​
•) no legitimate issue
1) George FitzClarence, later Earl of Munster and Clarence (1794–1842) m.​
2) Henry Edward FitzClarence (1795–1817)​
3) Sophia FitzClarence (1796–1837) m. Philip Sidney, 1st Baron De L'Isle and Dudley.​
4) Mary FitzClarence (1798–1864) m. General Charles Richard Fox​
5) Lieutenant General Lord Frederick FitzClarence, later Earl of St. Andrew (1799-1854) m.​
6) Elizabeth FitzClarence (1801–1856) m. William Hay, 18th Earl of Erroll.​
7) Rear-Admiral Lord Adolphus FitzClarence later (1802–1856) m.​
8) Augusta FitzClarence (1803–1865) m. 1827, a) Hon. John Kennedy-Erskine, b) Admiral Lord Frederick Gordon-Hallyburton.​
Lord Augustus FitzClarence, later Dean of St. George’s Chapel (1805-1854) m. Sarah Gordon.​
Amelia FitzClarence (1807–1858) m. Lucius Bentinck Cary, 10th Viscount Falkland.​
4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (1766-1828) m. 1797, Frederick I of Württemberg (1754-1816)​
•) No issues
5) Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (1767-1820) cohabited with, Madame Alphonsine-Thérèse-Bernardine-Julie de Montgenêt de Saint-Laurent (1760-1830)​
•) No issues
6) Augusta Sophia (1768-1840)​
7) Elizabeth (1770-1840) m. 1818, Frederick VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg (1769-1829)​
•) No Issues.
8) Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1771-1851) m. 1815, Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1778-1841)​
1) Princess Frederica of Cumberland (1817)​
2) Stillborn daughter (1818)​
3) George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1819-​
9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (1773- m. 1793; annulled 1794, a) Lady Augusta Murray (1768–1830) m. 1831, b) Lady Cecilia Letitia Buggin (1793–1873)​
•) No legitimate issues
1a) Augustus Frederick d'Este, later Earl of Surrey (1794—1848)​
2a) Augusta Emma d'Este (1801-1866)​
10) Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (1774-1850) Died unmarried.
11) Mary (1776-1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (1776–1834)​
•) No Issues
12) Sophia (1777-1848) Died unmarried.
13) Prince Octavius (1779–1783)
14) Prince Alfred (1780-1782)
15) Amelia (1783-1810) Died unmarried.

[1] With his younger brother marrying and producing an heir, George decides not to “marry a foreign noble bride” instead preferring to have his secret wife, Maria Fitzherbert, by his side, his large debt doesnt begin to be paid off until he becomes Prince Regent in 1811.
[2] Upon the death of her father-in-law, George III in 1820, Maria was given the royal title of Marchioness of Brighton, as well as possession of Brighton Pavilion.
Upon the death of her husband, his nephew allowed her to keep her title and land, as well as being able to be referred to as widowed, she was however not allowed the pension of dowager Queen or dowager Princess of Wales.
[3] George V, known privately as the “Honeymoon Prince” being born nine months after his parents wedding and would be their only child as their marriage was not a happy one and the couple soon separated. Frederica retired to Oatlands.
George would grow up in his own household situated within Gunnersbury House in Hounslow, arranged by his grandfather and uncles, brought from Colonel Ironside, who sold it in 1792, the house had previously been owned by Princess Amelia, favourite daughter of George II.
Here George would have his uncle, Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, the only living son of George III, who didn’t pursue an army or navy career, serve as Governor, and Augustus’s liberal views were influential on the young Prince.
A year after his birth his father went back to his military duties, seeing too much of his wife in his son.
Some spoke about him joking the military, however in 1808, 16 year old George was the only legitimate grandchild and heir after his uncle and dad. Instead they began discussing potential brides[4].
At the age of 28, in 1820, Prince George would receive news of his grandfathers death and upon his uncle, becoming George IV, Prince George was given the titles of Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay, Earl of Chester and Carrick and Baron of Renfrew. These were all titles usually share by Prince of Wales, and were given as a sign of him being second in line to the throne.
When his father died in 1827, as well as succeeding to the Dukedom of York and Albany, George IV also created him as gave him the official heir title of Prince of Wales.
He would hold all these titles for three years until his uncles own death in 1830, at 38 year old, he became George V.
[4] Potential Brides:
- Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (1792- 1849), OTL wife of King William IV of the United Kingdom.
- Ida of of Saxe-Meiningen (1794-1852)
- Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796-1850) daughter of Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, wife of Duke of Cumberland.
- Princess Ida of Waldeck and Pyrmont (26 September 1796 – 12 April 1869)
- Charlotte Louise of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1794-1825)
- Princess Caroline of Denmark (1793–1881) Bit of an issue when Denmark allied with Napoleonic France, but her paternal grandmother was Caroline Matilda of Great Britain.

Always had a soft spot for Adelaide tbf, would be nice to see her with someone her own age
 
Louis (b. 1466) son of Louis XI, lives to adulthood and marries Elizabeth of England (preventing her uncle's usurpation as result).

Louis XII (1466-1517) King of France 1483, m. Elizabeth of England (1466-1520)

1) Louis (1483-1515) Dauphin of France, m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)

2) Charles VIII (1485-1540) King of France 1517, m. a) Anne of Brittany (1477-1514) b) Catherine of Lorraine (1503-1556)*

3) Elizabeth (1487-1500)

4) Anne (1488-1539) m. Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia and Hungary

4) Philip (1491)

5) Francis (1493-1499)


* Daughter of Rene II of Lorraine



Meanwhile Charles, Duke of Berry (OTL Charles VIII) marries Jeanne de Bourbon-Vendôme.

Charles (1470-1500) Duke of Berry, m. Joanna of Bourbon (1465-1511)

1) Joanna (1492-1495)

2) Charlotte (1494-1557) m. James IV (1473-1518) King of Scotland (as second wife)

3) Charles (1495-1499)

4) John (1497-1503) Duke of Berry
 
Louis (b. 1466) son of Louis XI, lives to adulthood and marries Elizabeth of England (preventing her uncle's usurpation as result).

Louis XII (1466-1517) King of France 1483, m. Elizabeth of England (1466-1520)

1) Louis (1483-1515) Dauphin of France, m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)

2) Charles VIII (1485-1540) King of France 1517, m. a) Anne of Brittany (1477-1514) b) Catherine of Lorraine (1503-1556)*

3) Elizabeth (1487-1500)

4) Anne (1488-1539) m. Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia and Hungary

4) Philip (1491)

5) Francis (1493-1499)


* Daughter of Rene II of Lorraine



Meanwhile Charles, Duke of Berry (OTL Charles VIII) marries Jeanne de Bourbon-Vendôme.

Charles (1470-1500) Duke of Berry, m. Joanna of Bourbon (1465-1511)

1) Joanna (1492-1495)

2) Charlotte (1494-1557) m. James IV (1473-1518) King of Scotland (as second wife)

3) Charles (1495-1499)

4) John (1497-1503) Duke of Berry
Anne of Brittany would marry either Edward V (to which she was engaged) or his brother Richard NOT their French nephew
 
Anne of Brittany would marry either Edward V (to which she was engaged) or his brother Richard NOT their French nephew
Edward V died not long after father ITTL and France threatened Brittany with war if heiress of Brittany marries English king.
 
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Based on my "WI: Edward IV lived to the end of 1483?" thread:

House of York

King Edward IV of England (1442-1483) M. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492), had issue

1. Elizabeth of York, Holy Roman Empress (1466-1529) M. Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian (1459-1518), had issue

1. Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (1485-1539) M. Vladislaus II of Hungary (1456-1516)​
2. Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria (1488-1540) M. Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548)​
3. Archduke Frederick of Austria, Duke of Milan (1490-1547) [1] M. Bianca Maria Sforza (1497-1548)​
4. Archduke Maximilian, Archbishop of Vienna (1493-1547)​

2. Cecily of York, Queen of Scots (1469-1488) M. James IV of Scotland (1473-1521), had issue
1. Princess Margaret of Scotland, Queen of Denmark (1488-1528) M. King Christian II of Denmark (1481-1554) [2]​

3. King Edward V of England (1470-1525) M. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1478-1529), had issue
1. Edward, Prince of Wales (1494-1519) M. Margaret of Burgundy (1496-1557)​
2. King Richard III of England (1500-1559) M. Princess Isabella of Spain (1499-1550)​

4. Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (1473-1510) M. Anne St Ledger (1476-1539), had issue
1. Richard, Duke of York (1494-1540) M. Lady Margaret Percy (1500-1540)​
2. Edward, Duke of Norfolk (1497-1529) M. Margaret Tudor (1496-1547) [3]​
3. Lady Elizabeth of York (1500-1559) M. Gerald FitzGerald, Earl of Kildare (1487-1534)​
5. Anne of York, Duchess of Burgundy (1475-1496) M. Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1509), had issue

1. Margaret of Burgundy (1496-1557) M. a) Edward, Prince of Wales (1494-1519), b) Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489-1540)​
6. Katherine of York, Queen of Castile (1478-1529) M. King John III of Castile (1478-1506), had issue

1. Princess Katherine of Spain (1495-1529) M. King John III of Portugal (1493-1547) [4]​
2. King Ferdinand VI of Spain (1497-1547) M. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) [5]​
3. Princess Isabella of Spain (1499-1550) M. King Richard III of England (1500-1559)​
4. Prince John, Duke of Cardona (1501-1557) M. Juana de Cardona, Duchess of Cardona (1499-1564)​
7. Bridget of York (1480-1519), became a Nun
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[1] Frederick's alt-nephew, Charles V presses Frederick wife's claim to the Duchy of Milan at some point, and as a result he gets the Duchy.
[2] Made in order to renew the Danish-Scot alliance and so that a new trade deal can be arranged.
[3] Alt daughter of Henry Tudor and Elizabeth Herbert, Baroness Herbert. The marriage is a lovematch.
[4] Alt son of Isabella of Castile and Alfonso, Prince of Portugal
[5] Joanna of Castile remarries to Philip of Burgundu here.
 
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That would NOT work. And France feared a conflict with England
France would never let England inherit Brittany, otherwise they would have HYW 2.0

In such situation conflict with England would be unavoidable and by not taking action France would only make things worse, giving English side better starting position, every sane French monarch would see it.
 
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France would never let England inherit Brittany, otherwise they would have HYW 2.0

In such situation conflict with England would be unavoidable and by not taking action France would only make things worse, giving English side better starting position, every sane French monarch would see it.
Taking action also would start a full blown war. Unlike to Maximilian in OTL England is in the perfect position to help Brittany to fight against France (and is likely who ATL the Mad War equivalent would see full English involvement)
 
Based on my "WI: Edward IV lived to the end of 1483?" thread:

House of York

King Edward IV of England (1442-1483) M. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492), had issue

1. Elizabeth of York, Holy Roman Empress (1466-1529) M. Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian (1459-1518), had issue

1. Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (1485-1539) M. Vladislaus II of Hungary (1456-1516)​
2. Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria (1488-1540) M. Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548)​
3. Archduke Frederick of Austria, Duke of Milan (1490-1547) [1] M. Bona Sforza (1494-1548)​
4. Archduke Maximilian, Archbishop of Vienna (1493-1547)​

2. Cecily of York, Queen of Scots (1469-1488) M. James IV of Scotland (1473-1521), had issue
1. Princess Margaret of Scotland, Queen of Denmark (1488-1528) M. King Christian II of Denmark (1481-1554) [2]​

3. King Edward V of England (1470-1525) M. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1478-1529), had issue
1. Edward, Prince of Wales (1494-1519) M. Margaret of Burgundy (1496-1557)​
2. King Richard III of England (1500-1559) M. Princess Isabella of Spain (1499-1550)​

4. Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (1473-1510) M. Anne St Ledger (1476-1539), had issue
1. Richard, Duke of York (1494-1540) M. Lady Margaret Percy (1500-1540)​
2. Edward, Duke of Norfolk (1497-1529) M. Margaret Tudor (1496-1547) [3]​
3. Lady Elizabeth of York (1500-1559) M. Gerald FitzGerald, Earl of Kildare (1487-1534)​
5. Anne of York, Duchess of Burgundy (1475-1496) M. Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1509), had issue

1. Margaret of Burgundy (1496-1557) M. a) Edward, Prince of Wales (1494-1519), b) Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489-1540)​
6. Katherine of York, Queen of Castile (1478-1529) M. King John III of Castile (1478-1506), had issue

1. Princess Katherine of Spain (1495-1529) M. King John III of Portugal (1493-1547) [4]​
2. King Ferdinand VI of Spain (1497-1547) M. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) [5]​
3. Princess Isabella of Spain (1499-1550) M. King Richard III of England (1500-1559)​
4. Prince John, Duke of Cardona (1501-1557) M. Juana de Cardona, Duchess of Cardona (1499-1564)​
7. Bridget of York (1480-1519), became a Nun
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[1] Frederick's alt-nephew, Charles V presses Frederick wife's claim to the Duchy of Milan at some point, and as a result he gets the Duchy.
[2] Made in order to renew the Danish-Scot alliance and so that a new trade deal can be arranged.
[3] Alt daughter of Henry Tudor and Elizabeth Herbert, Baroness Herbert. The marriage is a lovematch.
[4] Alt son of Isabella of Castile and Alfonso, Prince of Portugal
[5] Joanna of Castile remarries to Philip of Burgundu here.
Bona Sforza for Frederick and specially Anne St. Ledger (already engaged to one of the sons of Dorset) for Richard made no sense
 
Bona Sforza for Frederick and specially Anne St. Ledger (already engaged to one of the sons of Dorset) for Richard made no sense
My idea with Bona Sforza marrying Frederick was that it would form an alliance between Austria and Milan against France when the First Italian War starts. I did forget that Anne St Ledger was already contracted to somebody else, though I suppose I could always kill of the son she was contracted to so that she's free for Richard.
 
Taking action also would start a full blown war. Unlike to Maximilian in OTL England is in the perfect position to help Brittany to fight against France (and is likely who ATL the Mad War equivalent would see full English involvement)
War is inevitable, delaying it would only worsen French position. France wouod not give up control over Brittany, that is unthinkable, impossible, pure madness.
 
War is inevitable, delaying it would only worsen French position. France wouod not give up control over Brittany, that is unthinkable, impossible, pure madness.
France had no control over Brittany and Francis II would marry his daughter in England. Anne also would take an English husband if any is available for her (and surely would NOT accept a match with a baby in the cradle)
 
My idea with Bona Sforza marrying Frederick was that it would form an alliance between Austria and Milan against France when the First Italian War starts. I did forget that Anne St Ledger was already contracted to somebody else, though I suppose I could always kill of the son she was contracted to so that she's free for Richard.
That would NOT work as Bona was Isabella’s daughter so she would NOT be offered to Austria (unlike Bianca Maria in OTL).
 
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