No. By 2021, the Twentieth Century is viewed, at least in the United States, Austria-Hungary, and Germany, to borrow a term from Eric Hobsbawm, as the “Age of Extremes.”
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No. By 2021, the Twentieth Century is viewed, at least in the United States, Austria-Hungary, and Germany, to borrow a term from Eric Hobsbawm, as the “Age of Extremes.”
The oldest former US president still alive in 2021 is Morgan Reynolds, at age 90.
In TTL, there are no musical forms or genres analogous to Rock. The genres of music that in OTL contributed to the eventual development of rock, and that were popular IOTL in the southern United States, were also negatively affected by the rise of the Freedom Party and the Destruction. The postwar United States was also generally hostile to any music that sounded too “Southern.”
Along with Tinpan, which was somewhat analogous to Big Band music in our world, though also more slow paced, there was also what was later labeled by critics and historians as Westpan, a variant of US Tinpan music popular during the Second Great War and the immediate postwar years. Westpan is somewhat analogous in sound and themes to the OTL genre of Western Swing.
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Glenn Miller’s analogue in TTL was Alton Miller, born on a slightly different date. Musically talented, Miller eventually moved to New York City, where he found work in the world of the city’s musical theater. He never became a band leader. Miller volunteered for the US military, like a number of musicians from his generation, to provide musical entertainment for frontline personnel. Miller returned to New York City after the end of the SGW, where he would eventually find new work in composing music for television shows. Alton Miller died of old age in 1996.
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Sadly, the Blues genre doesn’t exist, for the most part, in TTL. In our world, the music that became the Blues developed in the South among African-Americans. In TTL, similar music never found an audience in the CSA, due to official discrimination, and later due to the rise of the Freedom Party. In 2021, Haiti is the only place in the world where anything resembling the Blues survived, brought by survivors who emigrated from the former CSA. It’s a very mournful form of music, and is referred to by some of its musicians in 2021 as “Nameless.”
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Country music never really developed into a form of national popular music in the USA after the end of the SGW, although some regions, such as the Rocky Mountain West, the Canadian states, and the West Virginia/Ohio/Pennsylvania “Triangle” developed their own unique forms of music, developed from local folk musics and influenced by Tinpan. On a side note, Nashville never became a major musical center, and there never was an analogue to the Grand Ole Opry.
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The USA did go through a general folk music revival during the first generation after the end of the SGW. The recorded folk music from this period was based around popular local folk songs, as well as music derived from labor and work songs. A more mainstream left-wing political culture in the USA in comparison to our world also meant that music rooted in, for instance, labor organizing had more mainstream appeal compared to OTL.
Pete Seeger and Burl Ives don’t exist in TTL.
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Mento Punk is the closest analogue in TTL to Reggae. It will not be the only musical genre to emerge from the US state of Jamaica in this world.
If I had to guess, he's going by TTL's USA being far more centralized or seeing the Socialists more willing to nationalize an ABC analogue.
There may very well be a television license fee in TTL's United States.
In 2013, another forum user, Nerdlinger, wrote a history of TTL’s American Football League, and NFL teams. This history ended at 2009, but the information on AFL teams in 2009 is still correct for the AFL in 2021. In 2021, the analogue to our world’s Super Bowl is the World Bowl, hosted by the AFL; by 2021, Game Day for the AFL has been made into an official National US holiday.
The following text on the AFL, describing its history and teams up until 2009, was written by Nerdlinger:
What of TTL version of Sultan Mehmed VI, the Three Pashas (Mehmed Talaat, Ismail Enver, and Ahmed Cemal), and Mustafa Kemal?
Also IOTL Ottoman Empire prior to WWI the Sultan was a figurehead and the political power in the Empire was run by the Young Turks lead by the Three Pashas. I assume it would be the same ITTL prior to the FGW. Yet by 1981 with the coronation of Sultan Abdul Hamid III, the political power of the Sultan within the Ottoman Empire is absolute. Was there a coup or something that ended the political power of the Young Turks?
Also IOTL Ottoman Empire prior to WWI the Sultan was a figurehead and the political power in the Empire was run by the Young Turks lead by the Three Pashas. I assume it would be the same ITTL prior to the FGW. Yet by 1981 with the coronation of Sultan Abdul Hamid III, the political power of the Sultan within the Ottoman Empire is absolute. Was there a coup or something that ended the political power of the Young Turks?
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Have cities and places in Canada like London, Ontario, Prince Rupert, BC, the Queen Elizabeth Islands, among many more been renamed?
In TTL, it took longer for a global popular music market to develop in comparison to our world. Later in the Twentieth Century, music such as Stomp, from the United States, Bosa nova (a different genre from OTL) from Brazil and Fabrika-Punk, from Russia, did find imitators in other countries. Overall, however, the music industry by 2021 is more segmented than in our world.
Needless to say, someone from our world in 2021 would not find the popular music from TTL familiar, given the lack of Rock, and the genres and styles that emerged from Rock in OTL.
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Shouldn't the Newfouldnland boundary be something along the lines of this or just the coasts of Labrador, since the 1927 boundary dispute ruling never happened due to Canada and Newfoundland's conquest?
I’m including Harold Wilson, because he was listed previously.
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The analogue to Harold Wilson in TTL was James Wilson, born on a slightly different date than in our world. The family of James Wilson had been politically supportive of the Liberal Party, and were left unmoored politically with the collapse of the Liberals after the end of the First Great War. Wilson’s father, an industrial chemist, became more sympathetic to the Labour Party and the trade union movement. This public support for Labour led to Wilson’s father being subject to an informal blacklist after the General Strike of 1926. Without prospects in the United Kingdom, the Wilson family emigrated to Australia in 1927, settling in Western Australia.
James Wilson was academically gifted in several fields, including chemistry and mathematics. He eventually attended the University of Sydney, where he was studying and working as a researcher in chemistry when the Second Great War broke out in 1941. Wilson attempted to enlist in the Australian military, but was instead directed by the authorities to the euphemistically-named Scientific Reserve, which was intended to mobilize Australian scientists and engineers for the war effort. During the SHW, Wilson found himself working on any number of weapons projects; even during the war, the Australian government had started to make preparations for the creation of a national arms industry, with Britain far away and potential threats from the Empire of Japan, or even, one day, from the United States.
After the end of the SGW, Wilson, who had proven to be skilled at administration, would find work at the new Australia-New Zealand quash-governmental Oceania arms manufacturing company. Wilson gradually rose through the ranks at the company, and eventually found a place on its board of directors, before retiring in 1985. He died of old age in 1999.
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The analogue to James Callaghan in TTL was Leonard Callaghan, born on a slightly different date to our world. Coming from a working class family, Leonard Callaghan became a supporter of the Labour Party. He had the misfortune to formally register his membership with the party immediately before the 1932 electoral victory of the Conservative-Silver Shirt Coalition. Callaghan was among those arrested during an early national crackdown by the new government on the political left and the trade union movement. Callaghan, not being a high-ranking member of the party, was sentenced to three years of hard labor: one practice borrowed by the Coalition in the 1930s from the Confederate States of America was the chain gang system. Callaghan, upon his release in 1936, was obliged by the authorities, like most other released “politicals” to leave the country. Callaghan left for New Zealand.
Callaghan attempted to enlist in the New Zealand military upon the outbreak of the SGW in 1941, but was rejected for service due his former status as a political prisoner. He spent the war years working as a truck driver. After the end of war, Callaghan found steady employment with a Wellington-based freight company. He never returned to the United Kingdom.
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Edward Thompson doesn’t exist in TTL. However, in TTL, there was a growth in popularity in the United Kingdom, beginning in the 1960s, for historical works on the British working class. In TTL, these kinds of British “Marxian” social histories were also influenced by similar post-SGW historical works in the United States, as well as by the harsh experiences of the Conservative-Silver Shirt regime.
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The analogue to. Vera Lynn in TTL was Margaret Welch, born on a slightly different date to our world. Like our world’s Vera Lynn, Margaret Welch was a talented singer, and was able to find steady work with multiple interwar British Tinpan bands, even during the worst years of the Business Collapse. Welch continued sing with Tinpan bands under the Conservative-Silver Shirt Coalition; the Coalition never tried to suppress Tinpan like the Nazis in OTL did with Jazz. Welch, upon the outbreak of SGW in 1941, volunteered to sing for British frontline soldiers, and was genuinely beloved by military personnel and civilians alike (the song “We’ll Meet Again”, however, does not exist in TTL). Welch also sang regularly on the BBC during the SGW, with more frequent appearances as the British war effort suffered greater reverses.
Margaret Welch was among those killed in the German superbomb attack on London in 1944.
The Edward Thompson I was referring to was the engineer. Born in 1881 and ultimately succeeding Sir Nigel Gresley as chief mechanical engineer of the LNER.