Western Shared Universe

Your challenge is to create a scenario that includes as many Westerns as possible. For example, the 1960 film The Alamo takes enough liberties with history to count as honorary AH. Fannin's men are defeated and wiped out during the siege of the Alamo rather than simply remaining in Goliad, the siege involves multiple attacks on the fort, and the final battle is far bloodier than OTL. The butterflies from this alternate Texas Revolution could make for a wilder and more chaotic West. What other Westerns could fit into such a TL?
 
So is the idea a massive Western Crossover that incorporates as many Western characters as possible, almost like a Western League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?
 
Django Unchained's opening potentially implies that the Civil War starts earlier, possibly as a result of Django's actions. As well, the film features a number of anachronisms, implying that technology has progressed more quickly. This is similar to The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly, which presents an anachronistic Civil War. Perhaps the Civil War of the Western Crossover universe is one fought earlier and with more advanced technology.
 
Technically this was already done. There was a film series called The Gambler, starring Kenny Rogers, and in 1991 they had a TV movie called The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw. A lot of old Western stars show up in San Francisco for a poker game "in honor of the late Mr. Paladin*" as (in the movie) gambling will be declared outlawed in three weeks.

*Richard Boone, who played Paladin in Have Gun - Will Travel, died in 1981 from throat cancer. The poker tournament in The Gambler Returns took place in the hotel where Paladin lived, the Hotel Carlton, and the poker dealer was 'Hey Girl' (Paladin's friend; played by Lisa Lu).
 
Technically this was already done. There was a film series called The Gambler, starring Kenny Rogers, and in 1991 they had a TV movie called The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw. A lot of old Western stars show up in San Francisco for a poker game "in honor of the late Mr. Paladin*" as (in the movie) gambling will be declared outlawed in three weeks.

*Richard Boone, who played Paladin in Have Gun - Will Travel, died in 1981 from throat cancer. The poker tournament in The Gambler Returns took place in the hotel where Paladin lived, the Hotel Carlton, and the poker dealer was 'Hey Girl' (Paladin's friend; played by Lisa Lu).
That's actually really cool. I didn't know about that. That is basically what this would be, although I think the focus would be more on the worldbuilding elements/ramifications of the films.
 
So is the idea a massive Western Crossover that incorporates as many Western characters as possible, almost like a Western League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?
Kind of, although worldbuilding is the primary focus. One POD could be a longer/bloodier Civil War that leaves the Federal Government less capable of projecting force west of the Missouri. Economic development and law enforcement would be more focused on the local level, especially in the territories. An interesting scenario I came up with recently involves the West Coast breaking off over the raised taxes necessary to support a harsher Reconstruction after the aforementioned longer ACW. Texas might secede as well (maybe even from the CSA) for maximum highjinks.
 
Technically this was already done. There was a film series called The Gambler, starring Kenny Rogers, and in 1991 they had a TV movie called The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw. A lot of old Western stars show up in San Francisco for a poker game "in honor of the late Mr. Paladin*" as (in the movie) gambling will be declared outlawed in three weeks.

*Richard Boone, who played Paladin in Have Gun - Will Travel, died in 1981 from throat cancer. The poker tournament in The Gambler Returns took place in the hotel where Paladin lived, the Hotel Carlton, and the poker dealer was 'Hey Girl' (Paladin's friend; played by Lisa Lu).
David Carradine reprises his role of Kwai Chang Caine from "Kung Fu" (1972) in that movie.
 
Wild Wild West (either the tv series or the movie) is kind of steampunk so might justify bringing in some anachronistic western series.
 
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@pattontank12 actually did something similar, so he might have some ideas.

By any chance does timeline 191 and the guns of the south be part of this timeline as well?

Kind of, although worldbuilding is the primary focus. One POD could be a longer/bloodier Civil War that leaves the Federal Government less capable of projecting force west of the Missouri. Economic development and law enforcement would be more focused on the local level, especially in the territories. An interesting scenario I came up with recently involves the West Coast breaking off over the raised taxes necessary to support a harsher Reconstruction after the aforementioned longer ACW. Texas might secede as well (maybe even from the CSA) for maximum highjinks.
If you want the west coast breaking, maybe have zorro's late 90s to early 2000s movies be canon, as those usually involved the west coast breaking.

There is also eric flint trail of glory series that involves an independent native American confederacy that can go toe to toe with America.

There is also the weird west genre that included the like of deadlands, the sixth gun, and east of west.
 
@pattontank12 actually did something similar, so he might have some ideas.

By any chance does timeline 191 and the guns of the south be part of this timeline as well?


If you want the west coast breaking, maybe have zorro's late 90s to early 2000s movies be canon, as those usually involved the west coast breaking.

There is also eric flint trail of glory series that involves an independent native American confederacy that can go toe to toe with America.

There is also the weird west genre that included the like of deadlands, the sixth gun, and east of west.
Even if we still had the South lose/stuck to the Old West timeframe, an ancestor of Featherstone's would be fun to have running around.
 
@pattontank12 actually did something similar, so he might have some ideas.

By any chance does timeline 191 and the guns of the south be part of this timeline as well?


If you want the west coast breaking, maybe have zorro's late 90s to early 2000s movies be canon, as those usually involved the west coast breaking.

There is also eric flint trail of glory series that involves an independent native American confederacy that can go toe to toe with America.

There is also the weird west genre that included the like of deadlands, the sixth gun, and east of west.
With series like the original Wild Wild West, Legend & The Adventures of Brisco County Jr the West would probably be a few decades ahead of OTL to varying degrees.

Take Red Dead Redemption 2 for example where if the events of the game take place in this universe. Then you'd probably see various hints that the world is more advanced early on with the existence of weapons that belong more along the lines of WW1-2. Though things wouldn't truly become obvious until the Van Der Linde gang reaches the city of Saint Denis. Where you'd encounter automobiles, radios, electric lights and even early televisions... albeit filtered through a steampunk lense.

Also would space western and post apocalyptic westerns be included to? Because Firefly could mesh rather well with Fallout, The Outer World's and Deadlands.
 
I rewatched The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly the other night and noticed some oddities:
-The film is ostensibly set during the invasion of New Mexico, but cannot be set any earlier than 1864, two years after the invasion, due to references to Lee, Grant, and Andersonville. As well, the battle is depicted as being fought through trench warfare. This could imply that the invasion of New Mexico has gone on for two years now, with neither side seemingly making much headway.
 
There was a similar thread with some good ideas a couple years ago. I went into some similar points as the OP:
Hmmm. Well, in Alamo '60, Santa Anna was something like Nikita Khrushchev by way of Ming the Merciless. Why so? The Zorro stories seem to take place well into the 1820s at least, and yet depict California firmly in Spanish control. Maybe Santa Anna's career was stymied under continued Spanish control - or perhaps he himself was given the frustrating task of foiling the masked man in black.

(Continued Spanish presence suggests some big changes for the Napoleonic wars in Europe, possibly related to certain differences in the person of Napoleon)

The Texas Revolution is barely explained in Alamo '60, so it could just as well have happened in the wake of a delayed collapse in Spanish authority. Of course, when Santa Anna rolls up on the besieged Texians, he is appalled that for every one of the defenders that fall, they take ten men with them! Worse yet, the dying John Way- uh, Davy Crockett manages to detonate the Alamo's substantial supply of gunpowder, kills countless Mexican soldiers.

Suitably cautious of these seemingly superhuman feats, Santa Anna takes a much larger force with him in his attempt to capture the Texas government, which gives him sufficient coverage at San Jacinto to escape. This leads to a longer, nastier, though ultimately successful Texas Revolution, with weaker national authority all around, setting the stage for the chaotic wild wild west era to come.
 
I've been reading about the fictional cowboy Pecos Bill, who as far as I can tell is named after and maybe loosely inspired by famed Union hero William Rufus Shafer. In this crossover universe's civil war, what if Shafer and his fictional counterpart are one in the same? Surely, the union having a soldier who could lasso tornadoes and wrestle sea monsters would be pretty helpful against all of the wacky things I'm sure this world's Confederacy would have.
 
I've been reading about the fictional cowboy Pecos Bill, who as far as I can tell is named after and maybe loosely inspired by famed Union hero William Rufus Shafer. In this crossover universe's civil war, what if Shafer and his fictional counterpart are one in the same? Surely, the union having a soldier who could lasso tornadoes and wrestle sea monsters would be pretty helpful against all of the wacky things I'm sure this world's Confederacy would have.
Maybe Bill's powers are toned down somewhat, but I do like the idea of having certain folk heroes running around. Maybe he meets the Man with No Name in New Mexico?
 
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