Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

By accident I stumbled across a group claiming to be a Switzerland-based Kurdish government-in-exile called the United States of Kurdistan (link to their website). It advocates for a greater Kurdish state with close ties to Israel, the EU (to include a Turkey "ruled by genuinely democratic values developed in civilized society"), and the US.

These are the proposed borders for this USK.

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As you can see, it'd be massive and have access to the Mediterranean, the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea, and the Persian Gulf. I also wonder if this state advocates that the portions of Iran cut off from the metropole get annexed by neighboring states...
Every country in the Middle East:
 
the weird part is that they seem to know that, since they have little kurdish flag icons around the areas where there actually are kurds

The people behind this have some... interesting historical interpretations:

Kurdish history starts around 10,000 BC. Kurds moved from Scandinavia to areas of Caucasia and around the region of Mount Ararat during the great migration. Two categories of Kurds travelled within the area still known informally as ‘Kurdistan’. One of them was the group of Gutis, who migrated from Ararat to the areas around the Caspian Sea and from there travelled further down to the Arabian Sea and Red Sea areas. The other was the group of the Kurtis, who migrated from Mount Ararat to the Mediterranean Sea passing through the areas around the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. From there, the Kurtis moved on to Aleppo and then to Mosul and crossed the Gutis in and around the Arabian and Red Sea areas. Together they formed the Kurdish people.[8]


For thousands of years, the Kurdish people have been free from occupation and governed their own territories. Many states, kingdoms and empires, including the Medes, Kassites, Kattiyum, Kardonya, Mitani and Ayubis, were created throughout the years. Around these centuries two of the world’s largest four states belonged to the Kurds. Kardonya and Mitani together with Egypt and Hittite were the largest states of the world at that time. The Kurds were living peacefully together and practiced various religions including Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism, one of the world’s oldest religions which accept one God and is still practiced by the Yazidis. There are various sub-dialects of the Kurdish language, spoken by various Kurdish tribes and communities. The peaceful cohabitation of all Kurds was first disrupted in 640 AD by an invasion in the name of Islam, orchestrated by Khalif/Caliph Omer. This led to a division along religious lines, but the Kurds managed to hold on to their territory. In 1514, the Kurdish Kings and the Ottoman Turks reached an alliance, which significantly undermined Kurdish sovereignty for the first time in history. This alliance allowed the Kings in the eastern parts of Kurdish territory, including parts of Dersim, which has a long tradition of Kurdish independent rule, to continue to reign autonomously. Other parts of Kurdish territory came under the direct rule of the Ottoman Empire. By 1639 a large majority of the Kurdish people had come under Ottoman rule, but the Kings in the east hang onto their autonomy until the second third of the 19th century, when the central state imposed its direct central rule in these autonomous areas as well. In doing so, it nonetheless relied on the co-option of local Kurdish lords. The central parts of Dersim retained its autonomy until the 1930s and resisted both co-option and direct rule until then.[9]

What is the Kurdish entity, Kurdistan?

Todays Kurdish homeland, the territory of the map of the United States of Kurdistan,spans from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean via Aleppo,on to Mosul and the north of Iraq and down to the Persian Gulf. From there it moves up to the Caspian Sea and reaches further to the Black Sea. The details of this map need to be finalized for the submission to the United Nations to demand the recognition of the United States of Kurdistan.

This historic Kurdish homeland remains under the control of brutal occupiers. These occupiers have no rightful place in the Kurdish homeland or in positions of power and control in the civilized world for they fail to abide by international rules of engagement and of law.
 
I remember seeing a HOI4 video where someone joked about the fact that a full Kurdistan in that game doesn't quite touch any surrounding bodies of water.

This... this is the exact opposite of that.

Kurdistan not touching Black Sea/Mediterranean/Gulf of Basra/Caspian is basically accurate:
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Inspired by a recent discussion from the Map Thread:

On November 27th Hans-Adam II. of Liechtenstein confirmed the rumor that in 1867 the Russian Empire tried selling the colony of Russian America/Alaska to the principality, though that he was unsure on whether documents relating to that offer still exist.

Using modern demographic data and the current sizes of Liechtenstein and the state of Alaska after the 1903 Hay-Herbert Treaty, Alaska is 10736.6 times bigger than the principality, and has almost 19 times the population, too.
 
Inspired by a recent discussion from the Map Thread:

On November 27th Hans-Adam II. of Liechtenstein confirmed the rumor that in 1867 the Russian Empire tried selling the colony of Russian America/Alaska to the principality, though that he was unsure on whether documents relating to that offer still exist.

Using modern demographic data and the current sizes of Liechtenstein and the state of Alaska after the 1903 Hay-Herbert Treaty, Alaska is 10736.6 times bigger than the principality, and has almost 19 times the population, too.
If this had gone through I doubt it'd actually become a full-on colony of Liechtenstein. It'd be impossible for them to administer, colonize, or exploit economically. I could see them trying to sell or lease it to the US or UK for a profit, or (less likely but more interesting) holding on to the title to the land but granting licenses to foreign mining and logging companies.
 
If this had gone through I doubt it'd actually become a full-on colony of Liechtenstein. It'd be impossible for them to administer, colonize, or exploit economically. I could see them trying to sell or lease it to the US or UK for a profit, or (less likely but more interesting) holding on to the title to the land but granting licenses to foreign mining and logging companies.
A Congo Free State in North America, about twenty years before the real deal. That would honestly create an interesting world if there were a strong precedent for areas of the world being personal property of powerful men, functioning as corporate quasi-states.
 

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Inspired by a recent discussion from the Map Thread:

On November 27th Hans-Adam II. of Liechtenstein confirmed the rumor that in 1867 the Russian Empire tried selling the colony of Russian America/Alaska to the principality, though that he was unsure on whether documents relating to that offer still exist.

Using modern demographic data and the current sizes of Liechtenstein and the state of Alaska after the 1903 Hay-Herbert Treaty, Alaska is 10736.6 times bigger than the principality, and has almost 19 times the population, too.

Months later, a Liechtensteiner representative arrives in Sitka

“Greetings, people of Alaska! I have arrived from Vaduz to inform you all that this land has been transferred from the Russian Empire to the Principality of Liechtenstein! Prince Johann II sends his regards to his new subjects and hopes for a bright future for us all in this new union!”

Everyone in Alaska: “What the hell is a Liechtenstein”
 
Why… why not, um… you know... If you’re going to expend that sort of effort, why not just… build something that has utility? You know… does something. Performs a task. Such as generating electricity.
 
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