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Driftless

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General Frederick Funston does not suffer a (fatal) heart attack on Feb 19, 1917. Perhaps he goes on to live till 1935. Does he get the AEF leadership role that went to John Pershing? He would have been on the very shortlist of candidates. If not that role, what role might he have occupied? Peyton March became Chief of Staff when Pershing went to France and Tasker Bliss went to the Allied Supreme War Council. March did good work in Washington, but he and Pershing were never completely in harness and eventually became post-war open rivals. Overmatched Hugh Scott got sent off on an extended junket to Russia, and Leonard Wood collected dust in the US, in part for being a Republican and therefore in Wilson's doghouse.
 
Okay, dumb question. And out of my usual wheelhouse, so right...

Was there a moment post 1989 where NATO might just have been dissolved? Just quickly glancing over stuff (mostly Wikipedia) they seemed to take the end of the Warsaw Pact in stride, and simply make plans to expand into Eastern Europe. Could there have been some momentum of 'danger's gone, no longer needed/wanted'?
 
What if Ronald reagan did not spend the money that he used to buff up the military, instead used it to build infrastructure, economy, and aid. How would it affect the world
 

McPherson

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What if Ronald reagan did not spend the money that he used to buff up the military, instead used it to build infrastructure, economy, and aid. How would it affect the world
Naskolko choroso vy govorite pau-russky, tovarishch? (Насколько хорошо вы говорите по-русски, товарищ? ) (How well do you speak Russian, comrade?)
 

Grey Wolf

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Okay, dumb question. And out of my usual wheelhouse, so right...

Was there a moment post 1989 where NATO might just have been dissolved? Just quickly glancing over stuff (mostly Wikipedia) they seemed to take the end of the Warsaw Pact in stride, and simply make plans to expand into Eastern Europe. Could there have been some momentum of 'danger's gone, no longer needed/wanted'?
I can't see it with the leaders who were in place at the time.

Maybe if Kinnock had won in 1992, things might have been different?
 
I can't see it with the leaders who were in place at the time.

Maybe if Kinnock had won in 1992, things might have been different?

Yeah, thought so too. But, well, maybe someone would have known something contrary.

1992 is probably too late anyway, with the war in Yugoslavia already in full swing.
 
So if the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants never moved to California how likely would the Pacific Coast League join the MLB?
Almost 100% that the SF Seals and LA Angels (in a different form) would have been expansion teams and the rest of the PCL expanded to other cities to give the new SF and LA teams minor league affiliates. The problem with this scenario is that the Giants and Dodgers weren't going to agree on sharing a new stadium in Queens, neither team wanted to build a stadium in the NY suburbs, and the Polo Grounds was starting to fall apart, as the football Giants moved to Yankee Stadium in 1956. So it was almost impossible to keep at least one of the two teams (specifically the Giants) in NY long-term. Horace Stoneham, the Giants owner at the time, was already contemplating a move to Minneapolis, and when the Dodgers' deal for a new stadium to replace Ebbets Field fell apart, was pulled to the West Coast by Walter O'Malley...

Also, when Stoneham wanted to move to Minneapolis, no other team would join him to relocate to the Midwest. The Boston Braves already moved to Milwaukee a couple of years earlier, the Philadelphia A's moved to Kansas City, and there was no market for a second team in St. Louis, as the hapless Browns actually moved east to Baltimore. So MLB would not allow him to move unless another team moved with him from NY. The rest is history...
 
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The problem with this scenario is that the Giants and Dodgers weren't going to agree on sharing a new stadium in Queens, neither team wanted to build a stadium in the NY suburbs, and the Polo Grounds was starting to fall apart, as the football Giants moved to Yankee Stadium in 1956.
Apparently that not quite correct as read here:
Assuming that O'Malley got his way the Dodgers could be playing in the Brooklyn Dome:
01_brooklyn_dome_by_lurch_jr_deicwht-pre.jpg

While the Giants could get (not exactly) Shea Stadium as their new stadium thus butterflying away the New York Mets
 
Apparently that not quite correct as read here:
Assuming that O'Malley got his way the Dodgers could be playing in the Brooklyn Dome:
01_brooklyn_dome_by_lurch_jr_deicwht-pre.jpg

While the Giants could get (not exactly) Shea Stadium as their new stadium thus butterflying away the New York Mets
Problem was there was no way Robert Moses, the grand poobah in NYC, was going to accept that at the time. Moses wanted both teams to share a stadium in Queens where Shea Stadium was and Citi Field is, because he didn't want to build two new stadiums. You have to get rid of Moses to give the Brooklyn Dodgers a chance to stay there. Plus, Moses was not approving of the design by O'Malley of the domed stadium, considering it too expensive
 
Problem was there was no way Robert Moses, the grand poobah in NYC, was going to accept that at the time. Moses wanted both teams to share a stadium in Queens where Shea Stadium was and Citi Field is, because he didn't want to build two new stadiums. You have to get rid of Moses to give the Brooklyn Dodgers a chance to stay there...
AHC: Get rid of Robert Moses before 1956, without killing him.
 
AHC: Get rid of Robert Moses before 1956, without killing him.
You also have to find a different owner for the Giants because Stoneham wanted to move them for a few years before 1957. Perhaps Tim Mara, owner of the NY Football Giants, buys a stake in the baseball Giants and keeps them in the Polo Grounds (or moves them to Yankee Stadium for a couple of seasons) while a new stadium is built? Stoneham was hemorrhaging money in the 50s, even though the Giants were successful with Willie Mays
 
You also have to find a different owner for the Giants because Stoneham wanted to move them for a few years before 1957. Perhaps Tim Mara, owner of the NY Football Giants, buys a stake in the baseball Giants and keeps them in the Polo Grounds (or moves them to Yankee Stadium for a couple of seasons) while a new stadium is built? Stoneham was hemorrhaging money in the 50s, even though the Giants were successful with Willie Mays
This is a good Idea, with Moses out of NY too, the Dome in Brooklyn Could be done and a new Polo Grounds as a Shea like too
 
This is a good Idea, with Moses out of NY too, the Dome in Brooklyn Could be done and a new Polo Grounds as a Shea like too
Another possibility for the NY baseball Giants ownership is Joan Payson, who was associated with them before becoming the first owner of the Mets in 1962
 
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