List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Mary of Burgundy 1457 d. 1482 m. Maximilian(a)

1a. Margaret b.1478 d. 1530

2a. Isabella b. 1480 d. 1530

3a. Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor b. 1481 d. 1540 m. Maria of Spain
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Raymond Berenguer II of Aragon b. 1198 m. Beatrice of Savoy

1a. Margaret I of Aragon, Barcelona and Provence b. 1221 m. Raymond of Toulouse

2a. Eleanor b. 1223 m. Henry III of England

2a. Sanchia b. 1225 m. Richard of Cornwall

3a. Beatrice b. 1229 m. Alfonso X of Castile

James the conqueror dies without an issue.
 
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kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Atlantic Empire
Isabella of Castile b. 1452 m. Nicholas I of Aragon and France[1] b. 1448

1a. Isabella of Aragon b. 1470 m. Alfonso II of Portugal(a) Manuel I of Portugal(b)

2a. Jean II of France and Spain b. 1478-1530 m. Anne of Brittany d. 1530

3a. Jeanne of Aragon m. Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor, Duke of Burgundy

4a. Marie b. 1482 m. James IV of Scotland

5a. Catherine b. 1485 m. Arthur, Prince of Wales(a) Henry VIII(b)



1.Isabella of Castile and Louis XI get both the Dukes of Orleans and Angouleme assassinated.
 
HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

A few things...
Kynan said:
12b) Louis, Duke of Brittany
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I cannot see the Valois kings of France handing out Brittany as appanage so soon after they finally secured it.
Kynan said:
2a) Elisabeth d'Orleans (b.1545: d.1572) m. Francis I, Duke of Guise (b.1550: d.1598) (a)
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Kynan said:
3a) Claude d'Orleans (b.1547: d.1575) m. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (b.1543: d.1608) (a)
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Elisabeth and Claude's husbands should be switched imho so that the older sister is marrying the older husband and the younger sister, the younger husband.
Kynan said:
1a) Francis, Duke of Orleans (b.1544: d.1560)
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So you have him as Duke of Orleans yet he dies in 1560 while Henri only dies in 1575. I would recommend calling him Duke of Valois, as the heir to the duchy of Orleans.
Kynan said:
1a) Maria Claudia, Princess of Poland
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Maria was not used as a personal name in poland in this period, it was reserved exclusively for the virgin mary. She can be Anna Claudia or Isabella Claudia.
 

VVD0D95

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POD: David II of Scotland doesn't get captured at Neville's Cross

David II of Scotland (b.1324: d.1371) m Joan of England (b.1321: d.1362) m 2) Margaret Drummond (b.1336)

Issue:

1a) David III of Scotland (b.1347)

2b) Elizabeth of Scotland (b.1365)

2c) Margaret of Scotland (b.1367)

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David III of Scotland (b.1347: d. 1402) m Margaret of France (b.1347: d.1403)

Issue:

Robert II of Scotland (b.1366)

Prince David of Scotland (b.1367: d.1371)

Princess Joan of Scotland (b.1368)

Princess Margaret of Scotland (b.1370)

Prince Charles of Scotland (b.1373)

stillborn son (b.1376: d.1376)

miscarriage (1378)

Prince Louis of Scotland (b.1380)

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Robert II of Scotland (b.1366: d.1424) m Bonne of Navarre (b.1364: d.1420)

Issue:

Prince Robert of Scotland (b.1384: d.1391)

Princess Joan of Scotland (b.1386)

David IV of Scotland (b.1387)

stillborn son (b.1390: d.1390)

Princess Margaret of Scotland (b.1392)

Princess Katherine of Scotland (b.1394)

Prince Charles of Scotland (b.1395)

Prince Alexander of Scotland (b.1398)

Prince Henry of Scotland (b.1402)
 
CaptainShadow

CaptainShadow

Edmund, Earl of Rutland survives and marries Marie of Foix as a French proxy, meaning Warwick is somewhat sated etc.
Edmund, Duke of Clarence (b. 1443) m. Marie of Foix (b. 1443)

A) Richard, Earl of Rutland (b. 1462) m. Margaret of Scotland (b. 1458)

B) Cecily of Clarence (b. 1464) m. Henry, Duke of Buckingham (b.1455)

C) Edward, Earl of Kendal (b. 1465) m. Cecily Bonville, Baroness Harington and Bonville (b. 1460)

D) Mary of Clarence (b. 1467) m. George, Duke of Bedford (b. 1465)

E) Anne of Clarence (b. 1469) m. George, Earl of Shrewsbury (b. 1468)

F) Edmund, Earl of Pembroke (b. 1472) m. Elizabeth, Baroness Herbert (b. 1477)
 
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HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

CaptainShadow said:
Edmund, Earl of Rutland survives and marries Marie of Foix as a French proxy, meaning Warwick is somewhat sated etc.
Edmund, Duke of Clarence (b. 1443) m. Marie of Foix (b. 1443)

A) Richard, Earl of Rutland (b. 1462) m. Margaret of Scotland (b. 1458)

B) Cecily of Clarence (b. 1464) m. Henry, Duke of Buckingham (b.1455)

C) Edward, Earl of Kendal (b. 1465) m. Cecily Bonville, Baroness Harington and Bonville (b. 1460)

D) Mary of Clarence (b. 1467) m. George, Duke of Bedford (b. 1465)

E) Anne of Clarence (b. 1469) m. George, Earl of Shrewsbury (b. 1468)

F) Edmund, Earl of Pembroke (b. 1472) m. Elizabeth, Baroness Herbert (b. 1477)
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Interesting...so would i be right in assuming that there is no readeption ittl? What becomes of henry vi and his family then?
 
CaptainShadow

CaptainShadow

curlyhairedhippie said:
Interesting...so would i be right in assuming that there is no readeption ittl? What becomes of henry vi and his family then?
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Well, it's likely delayed (I really can't see Westminster just....sitting in France), but the Lancastrians are gonna need to be supremely lucky if they get the throne back ttl. So you're probably right on a hard AH basis, but tbh hadn't thought that far.

If Westminster/a son survive I could see them getting willed Provence by grandpa Rene, or maybe a Red Princess route with Westminster leaving a daughter who marries E5. Or just extinction like OTL. I'm leaning towards him having a daughter.
 
RedKing

RedKing

A Surviving Thomas Howard, son of Thomas Howard and Anne of York, who marries Mary of England

Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk (1496-1554) M. Princess Mary of England (1496-1539), had issue

1. Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk, later King Thomas I of England [1], (1516-1569)) M. Queen Mary I of England (1516-1558), had issue

1 (A). King Thomas II of England (1554-1619) M. Elisabeth of Austria [2] (1554-1617)
1 (B). Prince Henry of England, Duke of York (1556-1617) M. Mary de Vere (1557-1610) [3]

2. Lady Frances Howard (1518-1562) M. Henry Grey, Marquess of Dorset (1517-1554), had issue

2 (A). Lady Mary Grey (1537-1589) M. Henry Percy (1532-1585)
2 (B). Thomas Grey, Marquess of Dorset (1539-1590) M. Jane Lumey, Countess of Arundel (1537-1596)
2 (C). Lady Frances Grey (1542-1610), became a Nun

3. Henry Howard, Earl of Carlisle (1520-1577) M. Gertrude Manners (1525-1577), had issue

3 (A). Thomas Howard, Earl of Carlisle (1540-1623) M. Lettice Knollys (1543-1634)

4. Lady Mary Howard (1522-1545), became a Nun

[1] Thomas remains Catholic in secret alongside much of his family. Upon the death of King Edward VI, Thomas marries and revolts in Mary's name.
[2] Married in order to restore English relations with the Habsburgs.
[3] An OTL daughter of the Earl of Oxford. I couldn't find a concrete birthdate so I went with that one.
 
HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

RedKing said:
A Surviving Thomas Howard, son of Thomas Howard and Anne of York, who marries Mary of England

Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk (1496-1554) M. Princess Mary of England (1496-1539), had issue

1. Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk, later King Thomas I of England [1], (1516-1569)) M. Queen Mary I of England (1516-1558), had issue

1 (A). King Thomas II of England (1554-1619) M. Elisabeth of Austria [2] (1554-1617)
1 (B). Prince Henry of England, Duke of York (1556-1617) M. Mary de Vere (1557-1610) [3]

2. Lady Frances Howard (1518-1562) M. Henry Grey, Marquess of Dorset (1517-1554), had issue

2 (A). Lady Mary Grey (1537-1589) M. Henry Percy (1532-1585)
2 (B). Thomas Grey, Marquess of Dorset (1539-1590) M. Jane Lumey, Countess of Arundel (1537-1596)
2 (C). Lady Frances Grey (1542-1610), became a Nun

3. Henry Howard, Earl of Carlisle (1520-1577) M. Gertrude Manners (1525-1577), had issue

3 (A). Thomas Howard, Earl of Carlisle (1540-1623) M. Lettice Knollys (1543-1634)

4. Lady Mary Howard (1522-1545), became a Nun

[1] Thomas remains Catholic in secret alongside much of his family. Upon the death of King Edward VI, Thomas marries and revolts in Mary's name.
[2] Married in order to restore English relations with the Habsburgs.
[3] An OTL daughter of the Earl of Oxford. I couldn't find a concrete birthdate so I went with that one.
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Ok...so Mary Tudor the elder basically marries Thomas instead of Brandon?
 
RedKing

RedKing

A fun and simple idea that came to me two minutes ago:


Sir Owen Tudor (1400-1461) M. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492), had issue

1. Lady Elizabeth Tudor (1456-1509) M. George Grey, 2nd Earl of Kent (1454-1505)
2. Sir David Tudor (1459-1499), became a Monk
3. Sir Owen Tudor (1461-1527) M. Cecily Bonville, Baroness Harrington (1460-1529(
 
FalconHonour

FalconHonour

Here's something I've been working on with @The_Most_Happy recently - a Royal family in a world where Victoria becomes Queen in 1820 and is raised by the Cambridges.
Still a work in progress, but I may build a shorter TL around it someday...

Queen Victoria (1819-1901) r.1820-1901) m 1838 Alexander of the Netherlands (1818-1848) [a] m 1851 George, Duke of Cambridge (1819-1904)

1a. Victoria Mary Augusta Charlotte, Princess Royal (b.1839) m 1857 Oscar II of Sweden (b.1829)

2a. William Edward George, Prince of Wales (b.1841) m. 1863 Princess Alexandrine of Prussia (b.1842)
  • Prince Edward Albert Victor of Wales (b.1865)
  • Princess Alexandra Margaret Victoria of Wales (b.1866)
  • Princess Elizabeth Louise Alexandrina of Wales (b.1868)
  • Princess Charlotte Victoria Marianne of Wales (b.1870)
  • Prince Henry Michael Alexander of Wales (b.1872)
  • Princess Georgiana Mary Alexandra of Wales (b.1875)
3a. Arthur Henry Adolphus, Duke of Kent and Ross (b.1844) m.1868 Princess Marie Alexandrine of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (b.1849)
  • Princess Helena Mary Victoria of Kent and Ross (b.1870)
  • Prince Alexander Phillip Henry, Duke of Kent and Ross (b.1871) m. 1894 Lady Margaret Grosvenor (b.1873) [1]
  • Princess Alexandrina Katherine Louisa of Kent and Ross (b.1874)
  • Miscarriage (1877)
  • Prince William George Victor of Kent and Ross (b.1879) m.1900 Wilhelmina of the Netherlands (b.1880)
4a. Sophie Amelia Caroline Louisa (b.1846) m. 1869 Wilhelm II of Wuerttemburg

5a. Alexandra Elizabeth Anne Feodora (b.1848) m. 1868 Frederick VIII of Denmark (b.1843)

6b. Frederick Phillip Alexander Leopold, Duke of Cambridge and Albany (b.1852) m.1879 Augusta Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein (b.1858) [2]
  • Prince George Edward Victor, Duke of Cambridge and Albany (b.1881)
  • Prince Victor Charles Louis of Cambridge and Albany (b. and d. 1883)
  • Princess Victoria Augusta Margaret of Cambridge and Albany (b. 1886)
  • Prince Christian Alexander Phillip of Cambridge and Albany (b.1889)
7b. Georgiana Maud Alexandrina Katherine (b.1854) m.1878 Frederick II, Grand Duke of Baden (b.1857)

[1] Daughter of the Duke of Westminster
[2] OTL German Empress
Other Notes: I never understood why Victoria didn't use her father's title for any of her sons OTL, so here it is being used for her second son, Arthur, though I have given both the younger boys Scottish Dukedoms as well, echoing what Victoria did with her younger sons OTL.
George of Cambridge never marries Sarah Fairbrother, leaving him free of scandal and able to wed his widowed cousin in 1851 - a different marriage doesn't improve Alexander's health any! Victoria is rather more level-headed TTL, but she still enshrines it in law that all children born into the male lines of the Royal Family must contain variations of Victor/Victoria or Alexander/Alexandra/Alexandrina in their names after Alexander's death - hence the plethora of similar middle names for all children born post 1848.

And I will work out the daughters' children when I need to! Though I suspect, being out of the country, they might escape the plethora of Victors/Victorias/Alexanders/Alexandra/Alexandrinas...
 
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RedKing

RedKing

The Irony compels me!

Margaret Tudor, Countess of Richmond [1] (1457-1512) M. King Richard III of England (1452-1508), had issue

1. Princess Cecily (1476-1529) M. King John III of Castile and Aragon (1475-1530) [2], had issue

1 (A). King Ferdinand VI and III of Castile and Aragon (1495-1549) M. Infanta Maria of Portugal (1496-1552) [3]
1 (B). Prince Alfonso, Duke of Galicia (1497-1548) M. Juana Fernandez de Hijar (1496-1550) [4]

2. King Edward V of England [4] (1478-1545) M. Joanna of Castile (1479-1555), had issue

2 (A). Princess Joan of England (1498-1549) M. Holy Roman Emperor Charles V
2 (B). Princess Margaret of England (1500-1556) M. King James V of Scotland (1497-1553) [5]
2 (C). King Richard IV of England (1502-1559) M. Infanta Leonor of Portugal (1504-1555) [6]

3. Princess Margaret of England (1480-1542) M. Holy Roman Emperor Philip (1478-1535), had issue

3 (A). Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1498-1553) M. Princess Joan of England (1498-1549)
3 (B). Archduke Maximilian of Inner Austria, King of Hungary and Bohemia (1501-1561) M. Anne of Bohemia (1503-1556)
3 (C). Archduchess Mary of Austria (1503-1557) M. Sigismund of Poland (1467-1548)
3 (D). Archduchess Margaret of Austria (1505-1550) M. Louis II of Hungary (1506-1526)
3 (E). Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (1507-1560) M. Christian II of Denmark (1481-1559)

4. Prince Richard, Duke of York (1483-1540) M. Elizabeth Grey, Vicountess Lisle (1484-1539), had issue

4 (A). Duke Edmund of York (1503-1555) M. Anne Braye, Baroness Braye (1501-1552) [7]
4 (B). Lady Margaret of York (1506-1559) M. Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland (1502-1559)


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[1] OTL Henry VII, but female
[2] An OTL Stillborn son of Isabella I, here he lives
[3] An alt daughter of Manuel I and Elizabeth of York. Alfonso of Portugal dies as in OTL, and Isabella Jr enters the Church
[4] An OTL Spanish Noblewoman
[5] Alt son of James IV and Bianca Maria Sforza
[6] Alt daughter of Manuel I and Elizabeth of York
[7] An OTL Noblewoman, who is heiress to her Father's lands ITTL.
 

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RedKing said:
The Irony compels me!

Margaret Tudor, Countess of Richmond [1] (1457-1512) M. King Richard III of England (1452-1508), had issue

1. Princess Cecily (1476-1529) M. King John III of Castile and Aragon (1475-1530) [2], had issue

1 (A). King Ferdinand VI and III of Castile and Aragon (1495-1549) M. Infanta Maria of Portugal (1496-1552) [3]
1 (B). Prince Alfonso, Duke of Galicia (1497-1548) M. Juana Fernandez de Hijar (1496-1550) [4]

2. King Edward V of England [4] (1478-1545) M. Joanna of Castile (1479-1555), had issue

2 (A). Princess Joan of England (1498-1549) M. Holy Roman Emperor Charles V
2 (B). Princess Margaret of England (1500-1556) M. King James V of Scotland (1497-1553) [5]
2 (C). King Richard IV of England (1502-1559) M. Infanta Leonor of Portugal (1504-1555) [6]

3. Princess Margaret of England (1480-1542) M. Holy Roman Emperor Philip (1478-1535), had issue

3 (A). Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1498-1553) M. Princess Joan of England (1498-1549)
3 (B). Archduke Maximilian of Inner Austria, King of Hungary and Bohemia (1501-1561) M. Anne of Bohemia (1503-1556)
3 (C). Archduchess Mary of Austria (1503-1557) M. Sigismund of Poland (1467-1548)
3 (D). Archduchess Margaret of Austria (1505-1550) M. Louis II of Hungary (1506-1526)
3 (E). Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (1507-1560) M. Christian II of Denmark (1481-1559)

4. Prince Richard, Duke of York (1483-1540) M. Elizabeth Grey, Vicountess Lisle (1484-1539), had issue

4 (A). Duke Edmund of York (1503-1555) M. Anne Braye, Baroness Braye (1501-1552) [7]
4 (B). Lady Margaret of York (1506-1559) M. Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland (1502-1559)


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[1] OTL Henry VII, but female
[2] An OTL Stillborn son of Isabella I, here he lives
[3] An alt daughter of Manuel I and Elizabeth of York. Alfonso of Portugal dies as in OTL, and Isabella Jr enters the Church
[4] An OTL Spanish Noblewoman
[5] Alt son of James IV and Bianca Maria Sforza
[6] Alt daughter of Manuel I and Elizabeth of York
[7] An OTL Noblewoman, who is heiress to her Father's lands ITTL.
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Oh yes, indeed the irony is very strong with your post.
 
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