That could be the case in the 60 and early 70's, but how about after the mid 80's when OTL anime really began to take off? I could easily see anime being the same as OTL around that time period, especially in a Japan that was lead by Takagi in the 60's.
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Even so, I'm not sure - the fact is that the very fact of the Empire's victory in the Pacific War already affects the anime industry. In our reality, post-war animation has stagnated due to lack of funding. There was no such break in TNO and here one more circumstance manifests itself - anime has become what we know it because of television. Television animation comes with tight deadlines and budget constraints, which has led to the dominance of "simple" forms in Japanese animation, which has also led to a narrow audience targeting. Here we see animation focused on cinemas, which, on the one hand, leads to higher budgets, on the other, to wider audiences.
I guess it might depend on how United China is.
Is it still divided and so weakened and lacking a strong centralized place to cater to?
Or is It United under one of the well unifiers?
ruled by Japan still somehow?
compared to germany who even if Speer removes the GO4 one of the primer economic bases on earth with amazing diplomatic strength. Similar to modern China but here it was industrialized more and with reforms it could be something worth catering to(I mean the GO4 reforms. Not speer’s dengist ones.
Many years ago I made a series of posts in the Photos of the Kaiserreich thread that were basically just excuses to post my Star Wars prequel rewrite ideas. Well, those ideas have evolved, so I figured why not, might as well do them for TNO as well. First, though, the originals.
Star Wars: The Original Trilogy
The original trilogy is much the same in terms of plot at OTL, but several worldbuilding details are different. The Outer Rim is explicitly said to have been independent in relatively recent history, before it was conquered in the Clone Wars. In order to mirror Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, the Galactic Empire is explicitly a human supremacist society dominated by the Core Worlds, with aliens either enslaved or the targets of outright genocide. The destruction of Alderaan(in TNOTL explicitly opposed to the Empire and center of the Rebel Alliance from the beginning), for instance, has more focus placed on it, with Grand Moff Tarkin, primary antagonist of the first film, explicitly calling the people of Alderaan inferior by virtue of not being part of the Core. This particularly comes into focus in the finale of the trilogy, Return of the Jedi, where the Wookies, the people of Chewbacca, one of the central characters, are enslaved on their home planet Kashyyk to build the Empire's Second Death Star. A key part of the third film centers around Han Solo and Princess Leia sparking a slave uprising amongst the Wookies, who then defeat the technologically superior Empire in Kashyyk's jungle in a moment aimed towards being evocative of the fall of Hans Huttig's Grossafrikaner Reichstaat. Overall the ongoing Cold War meant that the Empire resembled Nazi Germany more explicitly than OTL.
Luke is also tempted to give into his anger in this trilogy as well, but critics in TNOTL have often seen this plot point as a commentary on the Ultranationalist ideology expressed by figures such as Dimitri Yazov before his defeat at the hands of the Kingdom of Siberia (later Rus) and Long Yun in China, where revenge is held to be the primary goal of a state, above even the welfare of its own people. This is further reinforced by a new conflict for Princess Leia, who must balance her desire to avenge Alderaan with the strategic needs of the Rebel Alliance. George Lucas, however, has denied that such nuanced political commentary was ever his goal. The redemption of Darth Vader was also met with slightly more controversy at the time than OTL, with Nazi and Japanese atrocities in the West Russian and Great Asian Wars respectively still fresh in people's minds. This led to redemption in media generally being treated more mindfully than OTL in the 80s and 90s, with Vader's redemption being viewed as the archetypal redemption arc in much the same way that of Zuko is OTL. Vader's redemption was also somewhat toned down, and he does not appear as a force ghost in the celebrations at the end of Return of the Jedi. Luke accepts him as his father and he does still choose to break free of Emperor Palpatine's control, but he is not considered to have regained his status as a Jedi.
In the slightly better racial climate brought about by the two term presidency of Robert Kennedy, the films were also more diverse from the beginning, with many more minorities in background roles even in the first movie. The character of Lando Calrissian was also met with much less controversy.
The trilogy ends in a slightly different way to OTL as well; here, the Outer Rim's worlds manage to break free of the Empire's rule, with particular focus being paid to a Wookie Republic established on Kashyyk and Princess Leia overseeing the restoration of the Kingdom of Alderaan as its queen on one of Alderaan's moons. The Empire is also not completely gone; after Palpatine's death Admiral Piett, a somewhat sympathetic antagonist, stages a coup and restores the Republic, recognizing the independence of the Outer Rim. Thus ended the Original Trilogy.
Star Wars started out as a movie about hope in a dark world. When A New Hope was released in 1977 Nazi Germany seemed to be stronger than ever, and Kishi's Japan was winning the Great Asian War. A movie where the heroes defeat totalitarianism in a rollicking adventure seemed to be what the United States needed. The trilogy ended, however, in a changed world. The Kingdom of Rus had defeated Nazi Germany, aligning towards the OFN and democratizing. The Great Asian War had ended in a Chinese victory, with China seeming set to follow a similar course. The American ideals that the original trilogy trumpeted seemed set to march into a brave new world. And yet when a Star Wars movie would next grace the silver screen the world would have changed again. The Star Wars Prequels would take a very different attitude towards the United States.
Star Wars: The Original Trilogy
The original trilogy is much the same in terms of plot at OTL, but several worldbuilding details are different. The Outer Rim is explicitly said to have been independent in relatively recent history, before it was conquered in the Clone Wars. In order to mirror Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, the Galactic Empire is explicitly a human supremacist society dominated by the Core Worlds, with aliens either enslaved or the targets of outright genocide. The destruction of Alderaan(in TNOTL explicitly opposed to the Empire and center of the Rebel Alliance from the beginning), for instance, has more focus placed on it, with Grand Moff Tarkin, primary antagonist of the first film, explicitly calling the people of Alderaan inferior by virtue of not being part of the Core. This particularly comes into focus in the finale of the trilogy, Return of the Jedi, where the Wookies, the people of Chewbacca, one of the central characters, are enslaved on their home planet Kashyyk to build the Empire's Second Death Star. A key part of the third film centers around Han Solo and Princess Leia sparking a slave uprising amongst the Wookies, who then defeat the technologically superior Empire in Kashyyk's jungle in a moment aimed towards being evocative of the fall of Hans Huttig's Grossafrikaner Reichstaat. Overall the ongoing Cold War meant that the Empire resembled Nazi Germany more explicitly than OTL.
Luke is also tempted to give into his anger in this trilogy as well, but critics in TNOTL have often seen this plot point as a commentary on the Ultranationalist ideology expressed by figures such as Dimitri Yazov before his defeat at the hands of the Kingdom of Siberia (later Rus) and Long Yun in China, where revenge is held to be the primary goal of a state, above even the welfare of its own people. This is further reinforced by a new conflict for Princess Leia, who must balance her desire to avenge Alderaan with the strategic needs of the Rebel Alliance. George Lucas, however, has denied that such nuanced political commentary was ever his goal. The redemption of Darth Vader was also met with slightly more controversy at the time than OTL, with Nazi and Japanese atrocities in the West Russian and Great Asian Wars respectively still fresh in people's minds. This led to redemption in media generally being treated more mindfully than OTL in the 80s and 90s, with Vader's redemption being viewed as the archetypal redemption arc in much the same way that of Zuko is OTL. Vader's redemption was also somewhat toned down, and he does not appear as a force ghost in the celebrations at the end of Return of the Jedi. Luke accepts him as his father and he does still choose to break free of Emperor Palpatine's control, but he is not considered to have regained his status as a Jedi.
In the slightly better racial climate brought about by the two term presidency of Robert Kennedy, the films were also more diverse from the beginning, with many more minorities in background roles even in the first movie. The character of Lando Calrissian was also met with much less controversy.
The trilogy ends in a slightly different way to OTL as well; here, the Outer Rim's worlds manage to break free of the Empire's rule, with particular focus being paid to a Wookie Republic established on Kashyyk and Princess Leia overseeing the restoration of the Kingdom of Alderaan as its queen on one of Alderaan's moons. The Empire is also not completely gone; after Palpatine's death Admiral Piett, a somewhat sympathetic antagonist, stages a coup and restores the Republic, recognizing the independence of the Outer Rim. Thus ended the Original Trilogy.
Star Wars started out as a movie about hope in a dark world. When A New Hope was released in 1977 Nazi Germany seemed to be stronger than ever, and Kishi's Japan was winning the Great Asian War. A movie where the heroes defeat totalitarianism in a rollicking adventure seemed to be what the United States needed. The trilogy ended, however, in a changed world. The Kingdom of Rus had defeated Nazi Germany, aligning towards the OFN and democratizing. The Great Asian War had ended in a Chinese victory, with China seeming set to follow a similar course. The American ideals that the original trilogy trumpeted seemed set to march into a brave new world. And yet when a Star Wars movie would next grace the silver screen the world would have changed again. The Star Wars Prequels would take a very different attitude towards the United States.
Perhaps the TNO version of the Prequel Trilogy would reflect the weakness of Joseph P. Kennedy's presidency.
I think that by the 1980s, American toy companies would feel comfortable enough importing and rebranding Japanese toys, so there might be a relatively unchanged version of Transformers in the TNO-verse.
Intresting look. Through it would be intresting if Piett(potentially the Kohl expy given what we know of what happens after Bormann) was replaced by Paelleon even through Paelleon is an EU character. Piett was a card carrying space fascist in OTL SWOT.
I also think someone like Zuko would have supassed Vader as the archytypical "pinnicle" of redemption arcs anyways. While it's unlikely Zuko would exist in this universe given that Asia will be a bit more closed off and a Asian culture renassance in the west necessary for ATLA to happen would take off much later, part of his appeal is that he has considerably cleaner hands than many villains given the redemption arc treatment. It's likely that a character like Soren from the Dragon Prince(assuming Ehrasz exists and finds some other way to rise to fame without ATLA and produce Dragon Prince) Netflix/Dreamworks!Catra would potentially supass Vader if they exist.
That said, I think how accepted or derided redemption arcs are dependant on the political climate. I can see a Go4 Germany potentially creating a pop culture climate favorable to these sorts of storylines, especially if combined with earlier resolution of racial problems under RFK, Harrington or LBJ, which would pretty much destroy the tumblr argument that redemption arcs are a weapon for a white supremacist and misogynist power elite to legitimitize their ideas or create a social situation where their crimes are more accepted to be swept under the rug. Any other outcome for Germany + worse or OTL level race relations in the US would lead to the OTL critique, if not worse.
I think it's worth considering the likelihood of deconstruction and culture wars - after all, Speer also wrote "pitiful" speeches, but he was a friend of Hitler. Something I really can't believe that any of the Nazi leaders was capable of sincere repentance, and I think that this issue will also be raised in that world.
GO4 reforms happen in spite of Speer through in that route. And this also takes into account that the racism in the US ends up being challenged to greater extent than OTL, which could nip the whole culture war "redemption arcs are a mechanism of a horrific racist power elite" by way of meeting some of these demands. Deconstruction of these narratives, and acclaimed ones, could still happen, but it's a bit different than tumblr or culture war rhetoric.
However, I think that such storylines will be an issue for the hard left regardless, especially if it came down to GO4 germany vs. a resurgent USSR, SBA or a left leaning democracy. Do note that Operation Paperclip and the Americans being extremely forgiving of Japanese war criminals come up A LOT in more critical circles wrt US history.
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I actually thought of Piett as a Speidel type, which now that I think of it doesn't work given that Bormann(who leads Germany here) purges Speidel at one point or another. In any case after its defeat to the Russians Germany ends up under a reformist military junta, which is what Piett would evoke.
As to redemption arcs, it's possible that Vader would be eclipsed (though I don't think Zuko would get a redemption arc, the idea of redeeming the Japan analogue prince at all would be hugely controversial, and I think Avatar would have to be way darker if it wanted to keep the Fire Nation as being like Japan given the trauma Japan caused America here) but that there would be a conversation around his redemption arc and redemption in media in general starting in the 80s.
Well, one of my friends has a claim that these are the most positive characters in all Germanic branches
95% chance Zuko might not even exist TTL to be honest. Asia would be much more closed off and the cultural exchanges needed to facilitate the popularity of asian culture in America would not happen, which also means ATLA would not happen. If China wins, it would take decades before some sort of massive cultural exchange happens.
Given that one of the things that made Zuko work TTL through is that he never truly committed any crimes that could constitute truly irredeemable on top of genuinely seeking to make amends, it is likely that we could see another character in another series fill that role.
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A timeline where Zuko isn't redeemed is cursed. Also, I like your comparison of Piett to TNO Speidel.
Assuming we land in a situation where ATLA somehow manages to exist(let's say really opening and liberal China) I could hypothetically see a version of Zuko that gets redeemed in TNO............
Let's say Takagi or whoever replaces him in the Japanese rework suceeds Ino, but he gets overthrown by Kishi. This could have Iroh and Zuko end up as decomposite expies for Takagi. However that would still mean an ultimate sacrifice sort of redemptive arc(the Zuko saves Katara thing ends in Zuko dying at Azula's hands), and Iroh potentially passing away in his cell earlier.
Don't expect a happy ending for the fire nation where the entire nation goes full Warcraft Orcs through. Americans and Chinese will be out for blood given preexisting bad blood and the fact that the rape of nanjing will be repeated. So it stands to assume that if Korra happens, then the Fire Nation will be dissolved and Republic City will be built on what's left of the fire nation.
Let's say Takagi or whoever replaces him in the Japanese rework suceeds Ino, but he gets overthrown by Kishi. This could have Iroh and Zuko end up as decomposite expies for Takagi. However that would still mean an ultimate sacrifice sort of redemptive arc(the Zuko saves Katara thing ends in Zuko dying at Azula's hands), and Iroh potentially passing away in his cell earlier.
Don't expect a happy ending for the fire nation where the entire nation goes full Warcraft Orcs through. Americans and Chinese will be out for blood given preexisting bad blood and the fact that the rape of nanjing will be repeated. So it stands to assume that if Korra happens, then the Fire Nation will be dissolved and Republic City will be built on what's left of the fire nation.
The Fire Nation otl wasn't so much defeated at all, but rather had a new, reformist monarch come to the throne through entirely legal means who chose to withdraw Fire Nation forces; there's no indication that their military as a whole is beaten or that they couldn't continue the war. TTL Avatar could end with the Earth Kingdom's military actually playing a major role in the Fire Nation's defeat- maybe they rise up and take Ba Sing Se and liberate much of the Earth Kingdom.
Just going to revive the thread as the poster that started it. An idea I have is that the gaming industry is less developed technologically than OTL(or developed in a much different way vs. OTL). This is because of Japan, which contributed A LOT to the gaming industry, most likely being closed off culturally to the US unless they lose the GAW or democratize, and even then it would be in the mid 2010s when you'd see an anime or cultural "boom". I'd say 2020s gaming is a bit closer to maybe mid 2000s gaming tech wise when the xbox 360 was just being rolled out.
I actually have ideas for a few popular video games being re-imagined as movies or tv series in the TNO universe due to their writers taking up different jobs in the TNOverse in other fields of the entertainment industry such as a hypothetical animated series based on the OTL Warcraft universe, anyone would be intrested in seeing me post some of these ideas?
I actually have ideas for a few popular video games being re-imagined as movies or tv series in the TNO universe due to their writers taking up different jobs in the TNOverse in other fields of the entertainment industry such as a hypothetical animated series based on the OTL Warcraft universe, anyone would be intrested in seeing me post some of these ideas?
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You want Warcraft, here you go, except it's not headed for a particularly "happy" ending. And I don’t mean unhappy in in the "happy vs sad or grimdark ending" sense, I mean in the "late game of thrones fuckup" sense
The Rise of Champions of Azeroth(Part 1)
IC: Some major heroic and anti-heroic characters from the long-running Champions of Azeroth(1996-2008, 2012-2015) animated series that used to premiere on Cartoon Network. Champions of Azeroth was created by Chris Metzen, with the inspiration for the series being a Dungeons&Dragons campaign he participated in when he was younger involving a king seeking to return to him homeland along with his rejected pitch for directing a Lord of the Rings movie trilogy that had some intresting differences from Tolkien’s work--namely the extremely sympathetic portrayal of Orcs emphasizing the idea that Orcs were victims to Morgoth's and Sauron's corruption and Metzen's idea of Sauron's final defeat purifying the Orcs back into elves. [1]
The first series, which released in 1996, focused on the adventures of a shipwrecked man named Lo'Gosh, who was subsequently sold into slavery and made into a gladiator the Orcs. While this opens up as the traditional good humans vs. evil orcs high fantasy storyline, we later learn that the Orcish Horde, now known as simply the Horde, has long since abandoned their past as a genocidal, fascist-analogue empire and transformed into an genuine alliance of equals with other races such as the Native American-inspired Tauren and the Mayan and Aztec-inspired Trolls, with Metzen admitting that part of his portrayal of the Orcs was inspired by what he knew of the reforms that were made in Germany following the Nazi civil war first by Speer, and later by the Gang of Four when they sucessfully outmanuvered Speer(through the exact details of this would not be known until the mid-2000s).[2] Throughout the first few seasons, we would be introduced to Horde Leaders such as Grand Warchief(analogue for Fuhrer) Thrall, a Helmut Schmidt expy, along with Tauren Chieftain Cairne Bloodhoof and Troll Chieftain Vol'Jin, and follow their storyline as they seek to redeem the Horde from its' past sins. We are also introduced to the archmage Jaina Proudmoore, the leader of the human settlement of Theramore, and an idealist that hopes that the Horde would be able to find redemption for its' sins and make peace with the rest of the world; flashbacks indicate that she struck down her own father when he saw the Horde as irredeemable monsters despite them breaking free from a then-unidentified corruption in the "third war".
Originally, Champions of Azeroth was supposed to end after 2 seasons, with Lo'Gosh rediscovering his identity as King Varian Wyrnn, fully overcoming his hatred for the Orcs, and returning to his kingdom in Stormwind to settle things with the person responsible for his exile--the evil chancellor Katrana Prestor, who is in reality, the Black Dragon Queen Onyxia, while Horde hero Varok Saurfang deals with Old Horde vestiges that have pledged themselves to Onyxia's brother, the Black Dragon Lord Nefarian, on top of Blackrock mountain.[3] However, the smash success of the first two seasons all but guaranteed further seasons down the road, with audiences liking Metzen's deconstruction of high fantasy elements and his portrayal of Orcs as far more nuanced than "traditional" interpretations of the Orcs as a pure evil race, with the character of Varok Saurfang being extremely popular and subject to various memes to this day. Audiences also liked the use of flashbacks to fill in pieces of the backstory pertaining to what got Varian exiled from Stormwind, as well as the vague mentions to a cataclysmic event in the past known as the "Third War". As a result of further seasons being greenlit, season 2 would end with Onyxia and Nefarian being defeated by the Alliance and the Horde respectively and Varian being restored to the throne, but Varian's inner conflict with regards to letting go of his hatred of the Orcs remain unresolved.
Further seasons would heavily expand on the backstory for the Night Elf civilization, which was primarily kept to the sidelines in the original 2 seasons, and go into the backstory of the Third War, as well as the First and Second Wars heavily. We would learn that the Orcs were originally a peaceful race on Draenor, but was corrupted by an external demonic force called the Infernal Legion[4], turning it into a violent empire that wiped out many of the other civilizations on Draenor such as the Draenei(whom are revealed to be a faction of a civilization that rejected the corruption of the Legion) and eventually made their way to Azeroth. Despite early victories, they were beaten by the human forces at the Battle for Blackrock Mountain. The surviving Orcs were heavily abused by the human victors, but they were liberated thanks to the efforts of Orgrim Doomhammer(whom was noted by some to be an analogy for Fuhrer Albert Speer--a analogy that would not age well when further studies into Speer's commitment to Nazism were undertaken and with greater awareness of what exactly happened during the great slave revolt that allowed the gang of four to take full control emerging on the public consciousness)[5] and Thrall, whom built the Orcs up into a major power on Azeroth once again, with the Orcs redeeming themselves in the Third War and freeing themselves form the corruption of the Infernal Legion once and for all. The story would also introduce the realm of Outland, the remnants of Draenor, as well as new villains such as the Lovecraftian Old Gods in season 3 and the Undead Scourge, and once again from seasons 5-6 introduce the Infernal Legion as a major antagonistic force seeking to reemerge on Azeroth and burn it to embers through the assistance of various agents on Azeroth and Outland like Kael'Thas Sunstrider, the fallen king of the Blood Elves, who was driven to despair by the destruction of his civilization and the Sunwell-the source of the Blood Elves power-by the Scourge; his defeat would see the Blood Elves pledge their allegience to the Horde.
Eventually the storylines of the "second act" of Champions of Azeroth come to a head with the prevention of efforts by the Infernal Legion to manifest in Azeroth at the battle of the Sunwell and the appearance of Lich King Arthas, the master of the Undead Scourge and a hero of the Third War turned evil. Complicating matters is the Blue Dragon God[6] Malygos declaring war on all magic users, viewing Kael'Thas' attempts to manifest the Legion once again on Azeroth as proof that all magic users are evil, and tensions between Alliance and Horde being tested by supposed Horde betrayal during the initial assault on the icy land of Northrend; while said betrayal was actually carried out by elements of the Horde sympathetic to the Infernal Legion, the "Wrathgate incident" and the subsequent Battle for the Undercity would cause Alliance and Horde relations to deteriorate even further. Taking advantage of this chaos, the Old God of Death, Yogg-Saron, awakens to spread further chaos.
The Lich King Arthas, despite appearing as the traditional Dark Lord-type villain with the standard destroy-the-world plot, was portrayed in a extremely nuanced and sympathetic light. His backstory was revealed to have been that of a prince that sought to save his people by any means necessary, eventually falling to the curse of the blade Frostmourne and rising to the top of the Scourge hierarchy after losing his soul to the curse of Frostmourne and destroying his own kingdom of Lordaeron. This set in a cycle of corruption and violence resulting in the formation of Sylvanas Windrunner's foresaken, as well as Kael'Thas first aligning with Illidan following his exile to Draenor after losing the favor of xenophobic alliance commander Garithos, and later the Burning Legion. It has been pointed out the point of tragic villains like Arthas and Kael'Thas is the consequences of giving in to one's darker nature in order to fight a great evil, perpertuating an endless cycle of violence as seen in the responses of Sylvanas and Kael'Thas to the destruction of the High Elf civilization, something echoing the ideas of the short-lived Black League warlord state in Russia, as well as the mindset of the collaborators in Samara.[7]
The fall of the Lich King with the end of Season 8 in 2004 was billed as another attempt to end the series, with Arthas being defeated once and for all by paladin Tirion Fordring[8] allied with the Alliance and the Horde along with Death Knights that have defected from the Scourge, and the ascension to the Frozen Throne by Bolvar Fordragon, who was brought to near death, as the new Lich King to keep the Scourge contained. Yet once again, efforts to end the series were rejected by Cartoon Network. Season 8 was seen as the best season ever produced for Champions of Azeroth and viewership remained high despite the series being moved to Adult Swim as a result of its increasingly darker and war-centric over adventure-centric tone[9]. With a loyal and huge fanbase, and a move to Adult Swim, the writers decided to embark on the most ambitious storyline yet focusing on the politics of a shattered world at war, a move that was controversial at the time, yet eventually viewed more warmly in hindsight, through the initial backlash over the new storylines would bring the original series to a gradual end by 2008 and set the stage for one of the most ill-fated series revivals in recent memory.
(cont. on part 2: The Fall of Champions of Azeroth)
OOC: So this is bascically Warcraft in my TNO headcanon, its' bascically a cartoon describing the storyline of WoW, but with rotating protagionists in place of the players based on the faction leaders and key heroes in the lore and with events of the RTS games in flashback scenes or outright flashback episodes. Many of the plot points in WoW(ie: the Draenei as uncorrputed Eredar) are introduced from the get go rather than inserted in via retcons, with flashbacks used to establish them. The writing and lore is handled much better than OTL game's lore, through as I will make it clear in part 2, the show is not headed for a good place for reasons somewhat similar to otl.....(I will hint that the original series ends with alt-legion and the revival will, let's just say have the reputation equvilent of Game of Thrones OTL for TTL's animated world and the 2012-2015 revival attempt will thus have a reputation similar to the last few seasons of GOT)
Notes:
[1] This was actually thought of in the Boorman script for LOTR, where Sauron's defeat purified the orcs into men, and Aragorn was crowned "king of men and orcs repented".
[2] Interestingly enough, some players OTL did make a similar analogy to WW2 as it happened OTL and the Old Horde(I personally think the Old Horde is more Imperial Japan than Nazi Germany but in TNO-verse this Horde as metaphor/allegory for Germany would be really prevelent in a timeline where Germany "redeems" itself via the G4)
[3] This was how things went down in warcraft lore canon with Onyxia's lair being an alliance victory and Blackwing Lair being a horde victory
[4] Essentially alt-Burning Legion
[5] Essentially an in-universe example of the harsher in hindsight trope
[6] Name for Dragon Aspect ttl
[7] Yazov was defeated here by Batov ,who subsequently joined with Bukharina, whom also defeated the collaborators here as well.
[8] Essentially in the abscence of the players, the main protagonist of the Wrath of the Lich King arc(seasons 7-8), season 4(which is Plaguelands+Scourge Invasion+Naxxramas) along with various flashback episodes based on Of Blood and Honor, Arthas' motivation is also changed from trying to kill Tirion to trying to corrupt Tirion into the ultimate Death Knight.
[9] Toonami dosen't exist in this universe due to the fact that anime is much more closed off due to the nature of Japan in the TNO unisverse, and there would be less anime to import until at least the 2010s, and this is only due to Mutoist Japan losing the GAW and eventually undergoing a sort of democratization leading to a late 2000s-early 2010s Japanese economic miracle(through more like west germany economic miracle of OTL than the OTL Japanese miracle)
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Would it be dumb for me to assume that the video game scene would be fairly similar to our timeline depending on how the politics go? For instance I think if Germany is not on fire or even more of a totalitarian hell hole I think they would be still into Simulator games. If they are then they'll probably make depressing books that'll be made into Euro jank video games in Italy about a four sided war in the tunnels of post apocalyptic Berlin
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