Ghastly Victories: The United States in the World Wars

So Thomas Marshall is taking over? He honestly can't fuck up any worse than Wilson as he set the bar so low.

But the anti-war movement in the US is going to gain a lot of steam. Even when peace comes the US more likely is going to demand a pound of flesh for the slaughter of its troops in this war.

Also whatever happened to Lord Kitchener in this timeline? Did he still die on HMS Hampshire near the Orkneys?
 
Hope Wilson actually gone because the way he was treated in OTL during his last year was bad. I prefer entering valhalla than laying in my bed unable to get up and trap in my own body.
 
So Thomas Marshall is taking over? He honestly can't fuck up any worse than Wilson as he set the bar so low.

But the anti-war movement in the US is going to gain a lot of steam. Even when peace comes the US more likely is going to demand a pound of flesh for the slaughter of its troops in this war.

Also whatever happened to Lord Kitchener in this timeline? Did he still die on HMS Hampshire near the Orkneys?
Kitchner survived, butterflies meant the minefield was laid differently and got a CL after Cleaver Bank. Kitchner lost his position in the cabinet after disagreements with Lloyd George and was made CiC India again to get him out of people's hair in Britian
 
A stroke couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Good riddance to Wilson, and another great installment from the author.
 
Part 2-20 Loss of Innocence
…Wilson was rendered comatose by his stroke on the 21st. Had he been killed by his stroke things would have been much simpler, Vice President Thomas Marshall would have immediately assumed the office of the presidency. However Wilson was still alive, arguably Marshall should exercise the powers and duties of the presidency until Wilson recovered, if he ever did, as was provided for in the Constitution.

However Marshall was, following the precedent of Chester Arthur during the 80 days following James Garfield’s shooting, unwilling to try to exercise that authority. The Constitution offered no clear guidance on the subject, simply stating the duties would devolve on the vice president in the event of incapacity, without defining it or establishing a mechanism by which incapacity of a president would be declared. Not wanting to appear like he was longing for a place as president he refused to even inquire as to Wilson’s health.

This was made worse by the actions of three individuals, First Lady Edith Wilson, White House physician Cary Grayson and Wilson’s private secretary Joseph Tumulty. Despite the mutual dislike between Edith and Tumulty, they were in agreement that they did not want Marshall to take over the powers of the presidency, and Grayson, owing Wilson for an extraordinarily rapid promotion from Lieutenant to Rear Admiral, was willing to go along with them out of loyalty to the president. When Secretary of State Robert Lansing began inquiring over Wilson’s health the three proceeded to give him the run around. However this merely made Lansing angry and begin gathering others in the Cabinet and Congress to press for more information on the President’s condition.

On November 27th Woodrow Wilson woke up. However from Grayson’s private papers it was clear that lasting damage had been done to the president’s health. Wilson suffered partial paralysis of his left leg and showed increased emotional outbursts, impaired judgement and strained impulse control, in addition to being functionally bedridden. Wilson was still by most objective standards incapable of performing the duties of the office. The trio continued to hide that fact and began screening Wilson’s correspondence.

Lansing and others continued to press for more information. Not allowed to see the president for reasons of health, yet told he was healthy enough to perform the duties of the office. A brief and highly stage-managed meeting with Wilson on December 11th did nothing to reassure Lansing and he and the remainder of the cabinet began meeting without Wilson or Marshall. By the New Year’s Lansing had an ultimatum for Wilson’s keepers, have a meeting to prove his competence to the Cabinet and vice president or Lansing would have his congressional allies introduce a bill to declare Wilson incapacitated. Wilson’s keepers were forced to allow a longer meeting, one they could not stage manage to cover for the president’s weaknesses.

On January 13th Wilson met with Lansing, Marshall and a half dozen cabinet members and congressmen. About halfway through the meeting Wilson broke down into an uncharacteristic ranting tirade against what he saw as attempts to usurp his authority. Ten minutes into the speech Wilson seized up and collapsed, having suffered another minor stroke. While he was unconscious for only two hours on this occasion the damage was done.

On January 15th both houses of congress met in a joint emergency session and passed a declaration that Wilson was unable to conduct the duties of president. Thomas Marshall would serve as acting president until Wilson’s recovery had reached a point satisfactory to Congress. Marshall, seeing the necessity of the situation went along with this and took up the duties of the office of the presidency.

While Wilson was indignant over the matter, and his keepers attempted to fight it, they found it futile. The Cabinet officers and executive departments ignored them and reported to Marshall. Within a week they accepted the situation and focused on restoring Wilson’s health so that he could retake the presidency. While Admiral Grayson was able to make great strides within a few months with therapy for Wilson, it was clear that he would not be recovered anytime soon. After a great deal of subtle and less than subtle pressure Woodrow Wilson became the first president to resign the office, doing so on May 1st and leaving Thomas Marshall to become the 29th President of the United States…

…Among the most significant events to occur during Wilson’s incapacity was the Vichy Conference, which occurred on December 28th through the 30th between Lloyd George, Georges Clemenceau and Vittorio Orlando. The three men met to discuss war plans and the postwar future of Europe. While little of note actually occurred at the congress, the perception that they were taking advantage of a temporary weakness in the United States became widespread among the American people and would be a major factor in the immediate postwar relations of the victorious powers…

…Wilson’s incapacity undid much of the work he had done in strengthening the presidency during his earlier administration. That the Cabinet was able to work around the incapacitated president set a precedent that loosened presidential control over the executive departments by allowing them to do an increasing amount without direct presidential approval. Furthermore the precedent was now set that a simple vote by congress could declare a president incapacitated and a constitutional amendment was in the offing specifically to deal with the situation that Wilson’s incapacity had created…

-Excerpt from The Loss of Innocence: America in the Great War, Harper & Brothers, New York 2014
 
Just thought of something--with a continued World War, the Red Summer and its effects might be delayed by a year--to 1920. Now, if we combine this with the Tulsa Race Massacre (the 100th anniversary of which is coming up)--look out :eek:...
 
Part 2-21 Loss of Innocence
…The German High Command was despondent at the end of Fall 1918. They had just enough replacements to maintain frontline strength during the lull that came following the end of their major offensives. Any heavy combat would rapidly see their frontline strength crater, and with much of 1919’s conscripts already poached in previous years the manpower situation would not get better. To free up a reserve to avoid an immediate disaster if the front heated up again they would have to withdraw to shorter lines. A decision was made to create a new defensive line somewhat before the lines as they had stood in the Spring, using the territory devastated in the later phases of their offensives as a logistical barrier to slow the Entente.

Construction of the line took two months and the withdrawal would occur in January. Codenamed Rumold, after another character from German mythology, it occurred from January 9th to the 13th, covered partly by a snowstorm. Unlike the earlier Alberich the Entente noticed the withdrawal early on. General Pershing wanted to launch an assault to catch the Germans out of position as they were changing lines, while Petain, Haig and Foch were leery of launching an assault without extensive preparations first and refused to allow it. Ludendorff’s memoirs suggest that Pershing’s opinion was the proper one and that any major attack had the risk of unhinging the entire German position…

…The German High Command knew that they could not hold out past the end of 1919, their war economy simply would not sustain it, in fact their ability to last until October or November was questionable. However they believed, correctly, that the Entente did know that. As such they planned to fight until the end of summer, then offer terms to the Entente while bluffing that they would keep fighting. With the prospect of having to wait until 1920 to end the war in front of them the Entente would be inclined to reasonable terms it was thought.

The problem with this was Germany’s allies. Romania and Bulgaria were not under any real pressure and were capable of lasting as long as Germany, however their faithfulness was in serious doubt given their refusal to contribute even a tithe of troops to the Western Front or to help the Ottomans. If the war lasted that long it was likely that they would make a separate peace, or even possibly change sides.

The Ottomans of course were in bad shape. The Germans did not think they would be able to last that much longer, the mountains and winter weather were holding the Entente back more than the Ottoman Army. One good push and they would be overwhelmed, the German advisors embedded with them had reported back. Once the passes cleared they would have a matter of months before the Entente broke into the Anatolian plateau and ended the Empire of Osman.

However this unreliability was manageable, none of them shared a border with Germany, and had not been allied with her prewar. It was the Austrians that concerned the Germans the most. The cornerstone of German foreign policy since 1871 had been Austria as the eternal ally, France as the eternal enemy. Austria’s fate would have a significant impact on Germany’s future.

Austria’s position was significantly worse than Germany’s, by all estimates they would not last until September, with many believing that they might collapse before July. When that happened Germany would lose its biggest ally and a substantial part of the forces in play. What was worse was that unlike with Germany the Entente knew how badly off Austria was, they would not be bluffed into thinking Austria could last past 1919.

Therefore, with the consent of the Kaiser and Chancellor, the High Command proposed that Austria and Germany put everything into fighting off the first major entente offensive, believed to be in March or April, then immediately start negotiations for peace, relying on hopes the Entente would negotiate reasonable terms rather than pay a hefty price in blood. If reasonable terms did not emerge, the Austrians would keep negotiating in order to get the least unreasonable terms possible, while the Germans would try to fight on until the end of summer in hopes of better terms. Kaiser Karl, seeing no real alternative agreed to the German plan. The two main Central Powers would prepare for one last great defensive battle in order to stave off complete catastrophe…

-Excerpt from The Loss of Innocence: America in the Great War, Harper & Brothers, New York 2014





Short update I know, ah well Covid still sucks. Also I make no apologies for naming the operation Rumold, he was one of my favorites when we read the song of the useless guys in class
 
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The 64,000 dollar question is can the Allies keep from falling apart by that point.
Doesn't matter, really. The Central Powers have, by their own admission, shot their bolt.

Worst the Entente can get at this point is status quo ante bellum in Europe with the exception of the Ottoman Empire and Russia. As victories go it's even more hollow than OTL, but it's a long ways from defeat.
 
Well, whatever it is, Wilson's legacy is shot forever ITTL, and that's always something to be pleased about.

Another good update.
 
Part 2-22 Naval History, Loss of Innocence
…American Entry into WWI had perhaps robbed the United States of its best chance to take an undisputed position as the greatest naval power by 1930. All but one of 10 battleships that had been ordered in 1916 were suspended before being laid down, and construction on Maryland was slowed by the needs of the war. These battleships, four Colorado class that were the culmination of the Standard series of battleship type, and six South Dakota class that would be a substantial jump in power, perhaps the largest since the advent of the supe dreadnoughts with HMS Orion. Combined with six battlecruisers of the Lexington type, superior in armament and speed to any built or planned, with armor protection better than any bar the newest British and German ships, the United States would have built a large lead in capital ships, having 16 16” armed vessels in commission by 1924, with Japan only able to have six, and Britain and Germany unable to lay down any before 1920.

However the war instead caused the United States to focus on ships that could be built extremely rapidly for use in the war. As such the United States ordered hundreds of destroyer, a type they had built little of before the war for precisely the reason that they could be built much faster than larger ships. Supporting these were large numbers of wooden hulled submarine chasers and a hundred steel hulled “Eagle boats” built by Ford that proved both late and unsatisfactory. These and an ambitious merchant shipbuilding program took up the vast majority of the shipbuilding resources of the United States.

By Fall of 1918 the production constraints that the United States was operating under were beginning to ease as the economy continued to ramp up and prewar programs were completed. As such the USN was able to lobby Congress to restart the other three Colorado class battleships, accelerate construction of the Omaha class cruiser, and fund two more improved Omahas under the war budget. This was sold as potential replacements for ship losses, something underline by mine damage to USS Texas over the summer…

…For the Kaiserliche Marine the realization that Germany was likely to lose the war marked a big change in their way of thinking. Whereas before they had been worried about their relative prestige and postwar position, hoping to cheaply gain glory without risking their expensive capital ships, now they were worried about the survival of their service. Two contrasting views as to this emerged.

One view was that in order to have a hope of having some sort of fleet after the war the best thing to do was preserve the fleet. Having the second largest fleet of modern warships in the world would serve as a bargaining chip, the most modern ships would probably be traded away, but a core would remain and lesser limits would be placed on the fleet. Hopefully the distribution of the spoils by the victors would cause dissension and give Germany a stronger bargaining position.

The latter view argued that the fleet was lost anyways. Britain would not allow a potential rival to exist and would do everything in her power to prevent a resurrection of the HSF, and France would do whatever she could to weaken Germany. No, they argued, Germany would be lucky to be allowed a fleet much larger than Sweden’s no matter what happened. Since the fleet was lost better go out with their honor intact, so that when Germany was able to break the shackles the Anglo-French would impose on her the navy would have a strong place in the people’s hearts. And who knew, perhaps by inflicting enough damage on the British they could cause dissension between the victors, by weakening Britain’s place at the top.

Neither side placed any great stock in the possibility of a status quo peace as the Army was still hoping for. Neither did they believe that they could do anything to materially change the circumstances of the war. In this they were perhaps more realistic than their army counterparts.

It was the former faction that remained dominant for the remainder of 1918 and the early part of 1919, having the support of the Kaiser who wanted to preserve what he saw as his personal fleet. Events to the south would however cause things to change…

-Excerpt from Naval History Between the Wars, Harper & Brothers, New York, 2007



…The lull in fighting over the winter of 1918 saw a massive shift in doctrine and equipment among the Entente. New aircraft were reaching the front with better performance than anything the Germans had, presuming that they could muster enough fuel to sortie. New tanks were arriving in greater numbers, with the speed and reliability to do more than crawl to static trench lines. The US army adopted increasing numbers of automatic rifles, submachine guns and semi-automatic conversion kits for their bolt action rifles, the French adopted a semi-automatic rifle and the Italians a proper submachine gun. New types of gas were being synthesized, that made the ersatz material based German protective gear almost useless. In a material sense the battles of 1919 would be as unlike 1918 as 1915 was 1914.

But more important was the change in doctrine that accompanied the new equipment. Greater cooperation between the arms of battle was mandated and implemented, infantry, armor, artillery and airpower would work together rather than apart to deliver victories. Plans were made for a more mobile war, to be able to properly follow up on trench breaching assaults. Mobile reserves such as cavalry were increasingly mobilized and moved to a higher state of readiness so that if and when the Germans broke the victory could be followed up on. The United States began forming assault units on the German model to punch whole in their lines. In all the Entente was vastly more prepared for an offensive in 1919 than any time ever before…

…American forces were required to take an increasing share of the offensive role. Britain was disbanding several divisions, and the French even more, necessary due to a lack of replacements. While both were in better shape than the Germans were thought to be, and in vastly better shape than they actually were, both were exhausted and had already poached much of the year’s potential conscripts already, and in the British case proved unable to extract any from Ireland. It would be the Americans that would pay the lion’s share of the butcher’s bill for the offensives of 1919…

-Excerpt from The Loss of Innocence: America in the Great War, Harper & Brothers, New York 2014




Pretty short and of limited relevance, I will blame the snow
 
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Pretty short and of limited relevance, I will blame the snow
You are cranking out a lot of updates, all quality showing important pieces of the war effort. I particularly enjoyed the Naval emphasis in this one, really interestign to see how TTL is effecting the Fleet emphasis over the Unrestricted Submarine Warfare of OTL, this is really going to change the Pacific Calculus for America and Japan's long distance convoy raiding in a future tension conflict, which may or may not come to blows?
 
…The lull in fighting over the winter of 1918 saw a massive shift in doctrine and equipment among the Entente. New aircraft were reaching the front with better performance than anything the Germans had, presuming that they could muster enough fuel to sortie. New tanks were arriving in greater numbers, with the speed and reliability to do more than crawl to static trench lines. The US army adopted increasing numbers of automatic rifles, submachine guns and semi-automatic conversion kits for their bolt action rifles, the French adopted a semi-automatic rifle and the Italians a proper machine gun. New types of gas were being synthesized, that made the ersatz material based German protective gear almost useless. In a material sense the battles of 1919 would be as unlike 1918 as 1915 was 1914.
Penderson device?

I'm not aware of any other really seriously considered semi-auto conversions for the Springfield...although there's the M1917 Enfield, which could presumably use a Howell conversion?

The French did produce and use the RSC-1917 and 1918 in combat--presumably there would be a RSC-1919? 8mm Lebel is notoriously terrible for autoloaders in general and box mags in particular, but it's difficult enough to change service cartridges in peacetime.

The Italians did have a proper machine gun, the Fiat–Revelli Modello 1914.
 
I think he is talking about the Browning Automatic Rifle. It wasn't an LMG in 1918 but an Automatic Rifle that just weight way too much.
 
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