We will seeOh I'm betting there's going to be a war over the partition eventually, these aren't borders that can last into the modern day.
We will seeOh I'm betting there's going to be a war over the partition eventually, these aren't borders that can last into the modern day.
Not exactly. The 1768 Austrian map shows huge speckles of French in Flanders and huge deckles of Dutch in wallonia. And to be frank the people don't really matter. The elite of the area matter. And the elite were all french. As it was however Brussels was around one third french in 1820.the current languague border was the linguistic/ethnic border back then as well. The frenchification of Brussels and the area around the city is something that happened the last 50 years.
So with giving the entire Scheldt valley and the Brussels area to France they now have a pretty large pissed off population in their territory that will keep on causing problems.
Brabant admittedly has been partitioned, however it is more of a.....division if you will. Also the creation of a free state under the PU of the Orangists was actually supported by the Flemish otl so it's really not a huge issue for the Flemish.The flemish won’t be happy with this arrangement at all. There is a reason why they revolted against Willem and staying with him is not an option in their eyes. The same is having a large historical part Flanders/Brabant suddenly become part of France.
It seem like Louis XIX is gonna pull a Louis XV let’s hope it doesn’t make him as unpopular as him . As how thing are now there no way for the war to last six years and the last sentence made me think Britain will join the war on the Italian side possibly even Prussia if thing truly snowball , at this rate it seem the Congress of Vienna harmony would die far earlier than OTL with a global conflict emerging quite early . Also that aside how the lack of Savoy and Nice make the border more defensible I might be blind but when I see a topographic map of the region I tend to think the reverse . Quite curious how in the end the thing will play out in Italy it can go on many way but right now I would bet on it not ending united as OTLAnd the war begins.........a single event can snowball into something much bigger as was felreqient in the 19th century. Thoughts?
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Yes the Vienna order is done and dead (mostly) by now.It seem like Louis XIX is gonna pull a Louis XV let’s hope it doesn’t make him as unpopular as him . As how thing are now there no way for the war to last six years and the last sentence made me think Britain will join the war on the Italian side possibly even Prussia if thing truly snowball , at this rate it seem the Congress of Vienna harmony would die far earlier than OTL with a global conflict emerging quite early . Also that aside how the lack of Savoy and Nice make the border more defensible I might be blind but when I see a topographic map of the region I tend to think the reverse . Quite curious how in the end the thing will play out in Italy it can go on many way but right now I would bet on it not ending united as OTL
Much better than otl.Well my first rteaction is that we see the exit of Charles X. I wonder how he will be viewed by France and history in general ITTL.
Why? Napoleon III essentially did the same thing and it helped him cement his support among the more traditionalist/rural French Catholics. The fall of the Papacy to Revolutionaries was quite shocking even for France.It seem like Louis XIX is gonna pull a Louis XV let’s hope it doesn’t make him as unpopular as him .
Britain has no interest in Italy at the moment. If anything the Sardinians will be seen as the one going against the Status quo. Thanks to the Congress of Vienna Italy was basically the sphere of Austria and France. Northern/Central Italy wasn't really in Britain's interests in terms of the continent. Most of that focus was dedicated towards Germany and the Low Countries tbh.s how thing are now there no way for the war to last six years and the last sentence made me think Britain will join the war on the Italian side possibly even Prussia if thing truly snowball
If anything Austria is the de-facto overlord of Northern Italy with its control over Lombardy-Venetia. France defending the traditional status quo, and not annexing territory would only really serve to improve its reputation rather than putting all of Europe on alert.The Sardinians have upset the peace in the region and the post-Vienna era. For that, they must be put down. Even if it means allying with the wretched Habsburgs for the moment.
If the Bourbon Restoration is maintained which seems likely, he'd probably be remembered quite fondly. Overall, he was quite successful in terms of foreign policy, and had a decent amount of success domestically. And as Louis XIX was more moderate than his father, its very likely that the restoration is now cemented.Well my first rteaction is that we see the exit of Charles X. I wonder how he will be viewed by France and history in general ITTL.
I have to agree here as well. French Kings for centuries have been trying to annex these regions.Also that aside how the lack of Savoy and Nice make the border more defensible I might be blind but when I see a topographic map of the region I tend to think the reverse . Quite curious how in the end the thing will play out in Italy it can go on many way but right now I would bet on it not ending united as OTL
I disagree. His return of the captured Austrian Netherlands cratered the French monarchy's popularity and did more to damage the prestige of the monarchy than Louis XVI did. A lot of Frenchmen were quite pissed when that happened. It was honestly a miracle he avoided assassination like his ancestor Henri IV.Louis XV was actually well beloved during his time and was only disliked after his death so for the time being Louis XIX is fine.
Why though? Sardinia doesn't have the strength to go against France. They were easily crushed by the Austrians despite them facing many internal problems. It was Napoleon III's support that ultimately tipped the scales in otl.Unfortunately for him, this was would be anything but short.” A History of the Great Italian War, University of Napoli, 2008.
Actually, Britain has an interest in making sure neither France nor Austria take too much to disrupt the balance of power. Other than that, Britain is sitting on the sidelines.Britain has no interest in Italy at the moment. If anything the Sardinians will be seen as the one going against the Status quo. Thanks to the Congress of Vienna Italy was basically the sphere of Austria and France. Northern/Central Italy wasn't really in Britain's interests in terms of the continent. Most of that focus was dedicated towards Germany and the Low Countries tbh.
Why would Prussia join in here. They're not the power they were in 1860, or even 1870. Austria during the War over Germany had a decent shot of defeating the Prussians. In the 1830's Prussia would not dare threaten Austria.
indeed.If anything Austria is the de-facto overlord of Northern Italy with its control over Lombardy-Venetia. France defending the traditional status quo, and not annexing territory would only really serve to improve its reputation rather than putting all of Europe on alert.
His antics such as the King's Golden and Godly touch won't be remembered fondly though they may be pinned as some quirks, though yeah overall he would be remembered successfully. By this point the restoration is kinda cemented.If the Bourbon Restoration is maintained which seems likely, he'd probably be remembered quite fondly. Overall, he was quite successful in terms of foreign policy, and had a decent amount of success domestically. And as Louis XIX was more moderate than his father, its very likely that the restoration is now cemented.
I did forget about that. Yes, the return of the Austrian Netherlands did dampen his legacy.I disagree. His return of the captured Austrian Netherlands cratered the French monarchy's popularity and did more to damage the prestige of the monarchy than Louis XVI did. A lot of Frenchmen were quite pissed when that happened. It was honestly a miracle he avoided assassination like his ancestor Henri IV.
Well let's just say the Two Sicilies and a resurgent power have yet to be dragged in.Why though? Sardinia doesn't have the strength to go against France. They were easily crushed by the Austrians despite them facing many internal problems. It was Napoleon III's support that ultimately tipped the scales in otl.
who do you think America learned that from?Ah yes, I see the British have taken the American approach to warfare. Time to sell sell sell... while preparing to end the conflict once the victor is all but decided.
? I was tabout not annexing a wanted region because it wouldn’t be proper morally good or other misunderstood reason to the general French populationWhy? Napoleon III essentially did the same thing and it helped him cement his support among the more traditionalist/rural French Catholics. The fall of the Papacy to Revolutionaries was quite shocking even for France.
Agree neither Britain and Prussia have big interest or reason to go to war in the pan Italian side I just speculated because with the thing continuing going like that there no way the Italian nationalist to last six year against the combined power of Austria France and Spain .Britain has no interest in Italy at the moment. If anything the Sardinians will be seen as the one going against the Status quo. Thanks to the Congress of Vienna Italy was basically the sphere of Austria and France. Northern/Central Italy wasn't really in Britain's interests in terms of the continent. Most of that focus was dedicated towards Germany and the Low Countries tbh.
Why would Prussia join in here. They're not the power they were in 1860, or even 1870. Austria during the War over Germany had a decent shot of defeating the Prussians. In the 1830's Prussia would not dare threaten Austria.
pretty low i thinkWhat the current level of support in TTL in France for a Bonaparte restoration ?
i wot be detailing it as much as i do in the wars in America, but i will be going over the major points.Oh! A Great War! I’ll be watching with anticipation.
Seem like the kingdom of Two Silicies will join the war on the Italian side with a mysterious resurgent power I honestly doesn’t see that many candidate apart of the Ottoman Empire but they would be occupied internally and with little incentive or capacity and possibly Spain but they seem to go in the war to crush the rebel ?Well let's just say the Two Sicilies and a resurgent power have yet to be dragged in.