Historical Figures in an alternate reality
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Diana Frances Spencer (1961-Present) an English actress from an aristocratic family. She is particularly known for her work in period dramas, and often portrays strong women. Her early years, she performed in several of Shakespeare's plays, in such roles as Ophelia in Hamlet, Juliet in Romeo and Juliet and Lady Macbeth in Macbeth. Although most of Diana's work during her early period was in theatre, she would branch into television and then film work.
Isaac Newton - Known as the greatest Lord High Treasurer in British history. Elected in 1670 to become, Member of Parliament for Cambridge, William III requested that the intelligent mathematician is his finance advisor and in 1702 was appointed by Anne as Lord High Treasurer, where he held the position until his death, 31 March 1727.
The Fab Four
Prime Minister: James Paul McCartney
Chancellor of the Exchequer: John Lennon
Foreign Secretary: George Harrison
Home Office: Richard Starkey
These four Labour Liverpudlian MPs, ruled the Labour Party following their election campaign in 1974.
Selected Filmography
1978 - The Devil's Crown - Isabella of Angoulême (TV Series)
1981 - The French Lieutenant's Woman - Ernestina
1981 - Chariots of Fire - Jennie Liddell
1984 - A Private Function - Margaret Chilvers
1988 - Twelfth Night - Olivia (TV film)
1989 - Henry V - Catherine of Valois
1992 - Wuthering Heights - Ellen "Nelly" Dean
1996 - Hamlet - Ophelia
2015 - Cinderella - Lady Tremaine, Stepmother
2017 - Murder on the Orient Express - Princess Elizabeth Dragomiroff , daughter of Judi Dench's Princess Natalia Dragomiroff
1978 - The Devil's Crown - Isabella of Angoulême (TV Series)
1981 - The French Lieutenant's Woman - Ernestina
1981 - Chariots of Fire - Jennie Liddell
1984 - A Private Function - Margaret Chilvers
1988 - Twelfth Night - Olivia (TV film)
1989 - Henry V - Catherine of Valois
1992 - Wuthering Heights - Ellen "Nelly" Dean
1996 - Hamlet - Ophelia
2015 - Cinderella - Lady Tremaine, Stepmother
2017 - Murder on the Orient Express - Princess Elizabeth Dragomiroff , daughter of Judi Dench's Princess Natalia Dragomiroff
Isaac Newton - Known as the greatest Lord High Treasurer in British history. Elected in 1670 to become, Member of Parliament for Cambridge, William III requested that the intelligent mathematician is his finance advisor and in 1702 was appointed by Anne as Lord High Treasurer, where he held the position until his death, 31 March 1727.
The Fab Four
Prime Minister: James Paul McCartney
Chancellor of the Exchequer: John Lennon
Foreign Secretary: George Harrison
Home Office: Richard Starkey
These four Labour Liverpudlian MPs, ruled the Labour Party following their election campaign in 1974.
Pope Patricius I. aka John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
John Fitzgerald Kennedy was born in 1917 as son of Irish descedent Joseph Kennedy Senior. From a young age on he was an intellectual and an avid reader. During WW2 he suffered bad injuries while saving his comrades. His brother Joseph Junior became the politican of the family. John F. Kennedy instead had a religious awakening and begged his family to allow him to join a priest seminary. JFK graduated in 1950 and was ordinated as priest. He became known as a brilliant Theologican and Church historian. His younger brother Ted also followed into his big brother's footsteps and ended up being a Cardinal at the end of his career. JFK travelled to Rome and gained influence. He became the favourite of Pope John XXIII. and took part in the Church reformation in the 60es. First JFK had been appointed Arch Bishop of New York, than became cardinal. In 1978 he won the election against Karol Woytila at the age of 61. In honor of Irish Saint Patrick JFK named himself Patricius I. against common Papal naming conventions. Cardinal Ted Kennedy became one of his closest advisors. The Papal intruduction in 1978 had been attended by Kennedy's mother Rose. In 1981 US President Robert Kennedy visited the Vatican in an official state visit and met his brother the Pope. They discussed various topics including the the Northern Ireland conflict. The reign of Patricius I. lasted until 2000. In his late years Patricius suffered from Parkinson's. Pope Patricius died on November 22nd 2000 at the the Age of 83. His brother Ted tried to get himself elected as Pope but couldn't find enough support in the Convent. He remained a Cardinal until his death 2009. Joseph Junior died in 2007, age 92. Former President Robert Kennedy died in 2019 at the age of 94 in a monastry in Ireland where he spent his last couple of years.
John Fitzgerald Kennedy was born in 1917 as son of Irish descedent Joseph Kennedy Senior. From a young age on he was an intellectual and an avid reader. During WW2 he suffered bad injuries while saving his comrades. His brother Joseph Junior became the politican of the family. John F. Kennedy instead had a religious awakening and begged his family to allow him to join a priest seminary. JFK graduated in 1950 and was ordinated as priest. He became known as a brilliant Theologican and Church historian. His younger brother Ted also followed into his big brother's footsteps and ended up being a Cardinal at the end of his career. JFK travelled to Rome and gained influence. He became the favourite of Pope John XXIII. and took part in the Church reformation in the 60es. First JFK had been appointed Arch Bishop of New York, than became cardinal. In 1978 he won the election against Karol Woytila at the age of 61. In honor of Irish Saint Patrick JFK named himself Patricius I. against common Papal naming conventions. Cardinal Ted Kennedy became one of his closest advisors. The Papal intruduction in 1978 had been attended by Kennedy's mother Rose. In 1981 US President Robert Kennedy visited the Vatican in an official state visit and met his brother the Pope. They discussed various topics including the the Northern Ireland conflict. The reign of Patricius I. lasted until 2000. In his late years Patricius suffered from Parkinson's. Pope Patricius died on November 22nd 2000 at the the Age of 83. His brother Ted tried to get himself elected as Pope but couldn't find enough support in the Convent. He remained a Cardinal until his death 2009. Joseph Junior died in 2007, age 92. Former President Robert Kennedy died in 2019 at the age of 94 in a monastry in Ireland where he spent his last couple of years.
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Abraham Lincoln, congressman from Illinois who became President Seward's Secretary of State after losing the 1860 Republican nomination, and mostly remembered for his role in the negotiations presiding over Sexit, the unfortunate name later generations gave to the secession of the Confederate States of America . Also remembered for "Lincoln's Folly", the purchase of Rupert's Land and it's establishment as the state of Hudson, north of the states of Canada and Niagara.
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Pope Leo XIV (1889-1945) Born Adolf Hitler, after taking singing lessons and singing in the church choir, Adolf dedicated his life to Catholicism. In 1912, he became a priest, allowing him to avoid the Great War, later know as World War One, raising through the church becoming Archbishop of Salzburg in 1934 and a cardinal, the next year.
His conservative views got him elected in the 1939 papal conclave, becoming first non-Italian pope since Adrian VI (1522–1523) he chose his name following Saint Leopold III also known as Leopold the Good, however following his alliance with Italian Duce Benito Mussolini and German Furher Himmler, his Anti-semetic views and controversial reaction to the Holocaust, lead to him being investigated by external Catholics. Leo XIV was found dead in his room on 30 April 1945, following his suicide.
Pope Thomas I (1473-1550) Elected in the 1534 papal conclave, he used his own name but attributed it to Thomas Aquinas, the first to use a new and non-composed regnal name since Lando (913–914) as well as second pope from England, since Adrian IV. Before becoming Pope, Thomas was archbishop, statesman and a cardinal of the Catholic Church.
Wolsey was then taken into the household of Sir Richard Nanfan, who made Wolsey executor of his estate. After Nanfan's death in 1507, Wolsey entered the service of King Henry VII. Wolsey benefited from Henry VII's introduction of measures to curb the power of the nobility; the king was willing to favour those from more humble backgrounds. Henry VII appointed Wolsey royal chaplain. In this position Wolsey served as secretary to Richard Foxe, who recognised Wolsey's ability, dedication, industry and willingness to take on tedious tasks. Wolsey's remarkable rise to power from humble origins attests to his intelligence, administrative ability, industriousness, ambition, and rapport with the king. In April 1508, Wolsey was sent to Scotland to discuss with King James IV rumours of the renewal of the Auld Alliance.
Wolsey's rise coincided with the accession in April 1509 of Arthur II, whose character, policies and attitude to diplomacy differed significantly from his father's.for the next 21 years, Thomas Wolsey held on a seat on the Privy Council and an opportunity to attain greater prominence and establish personal rapport with the king. A factor in Wolsey's rise was Arthur II's pious views, wanting England to be close with the Papal state, giving Wolsey important ecclesiastical appointments. These included the Archbishopric of York—the second most important role in the English church—and acting as papal legate. His appointment as a cardinal by Pope Leo X in 1515 gave him precedence over all other English clergy.
His 16 years in the Vatican saw massive gains of lands and lucrative trade deals; especially with Spain and Portugal. His support of England was also a part of his foreign policy.
His conservative views got him elected in the 1939 papal conclave, becoming first non-Italian pope since Adrian VI (1522–1523) he chose his name following Saint Leopold III also known as Leopold the Good, however following his alliance with Italian Duce Benito Mussolini and German Furher Himmler, his Anti-semetic views and controversial reaction to the Holocaust, lead to him being investigated by external Catholics. Leo XIV was found dead in his room on 30 April 1945, following his suicide.
Pope Thomas I (1473-1550) Elected in the 1534 papal conclave, he used his own name but attributed it to Thomas Aquinas, the first to use a new and non-composed regnal name since Lando (913–914) as well as second pope from England, since Adrian IV. Before becoming Pope, Thomas was archbishop, statesman and a cardinal of the Catholic Church.
Wolsey was then taken into the household of Sir Richard Nanfan, who made Wolsey executor of his estate. After Nanfan's death in 1507, Wolsey entered the service of King Henry VII. Wolsey benefited from Henry VII's introduction of measures to curb the power of the nobility; the king was willing to favour those from more humble backgrounds. Henry VII appointed Wolsey royal chaplain. In this position Wolsey served as secretary to Richard Foxe, who recognised Wolsey's ability, dedication, industry and willingness to take on tedious tasks. Wolsey's remarkable rise to power from humble origins attests to his intelligence, administrative ability, industriousness, ambition, and rapport with the king. In April 1508, Wolsey was sent to Scotland to discuss with King James IV rumours of the renewal of the Auld Alliance.
Wolsey's rise coincided with the accession in April 1509 of Arthur II, whose character, policies and attitude to diplomacy differed significantly from his father's.for the next 21 years, Thomas Wolsey held on a seat on the Privy Council and an opportunity to attain greater prominence and establish personal rapport with the king. A factor in Wolsey's rise was Arthur II's pious views, wanting England to be close with the Papal state, giving Wolsey important ecclesiastical appointments. These included the Archbishopric of York—the second most important role in the English church—and acting as papal legate. His appointment as a cardinal by Pope Leo X in 1515 gave him precedence over all other English clergy.
His 16 years in the Vatican saw massive gains of lands and lucrative trade deals; especially with Spain and Portugal. His support of England was also a part of his foreign policy.
Why not make Hitler a famous architect instead? He could create a new style of neo-pagan architecture which seemed Germanic and Roman at the same time.
Otto Kretschmer
Banned
Who would Carl Sagan be if he was born in 1534 and not 1934?
Who would Sir Isaac Newton be today?
Who would Sir Isaac Newton be today?
Karol Sagan: 16th century Polish astronomer, and priest, famous for his popularization of astronomy among the nobility and burgeoning middle class of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Sagan was famous for traveling the country, proselytizing and teaching before lay people and nobility alike. He had numerous controversies with the Church hierarchy, who accused him of teaching astrology over the words of Christ. As a result, Sagan rarely taught outside of tolerant Poland and Lithuania, though he sometimes taught in Scandinavia.
Sir Isaac Newton: 20th century British physicist and television personality. Newton is famous for his series of television and radio programs entitled Principa, aired by the BBC and aimed at educating the youth of Britain on the principles of physics. His programs were widely successful, and became an international staple of education programming. Newton, now in his late 70s, also worked as a professor at Cambridge, and an MP for Cambridge as a member of the New Labor Party.
Henry Kissinger
Military Dictator Of The USA From The Years 1954-1979
Using The Red Scare To His Advantage Kissinger Was Able To Wield It To Create Paranoia And Militaristic Nationalism Within The American Public To Install Himself As Dictator To “Preserve The Union In Time Of Crisis” After His Death At The Hands Of Lung Cancer His Sucessor Richard “Tricky Dick” Nixon Restored American Democracy In A Move To Make Himself Seen As A Saviour Figure.
Military Dictator Of The USA From The Years 1954-1979
Using The Red Scare To His Advantage Kissinger Was Able To Wield It To Create Paranoia And Militaristic Nationalism Within The American Public To Install Himself As Dictator To “Preserve The Union In Time Of Crisis” After His Death At The Hands Of Lung Cancer His Sucessor Richard “Tricky Dick” Nixon Restored American Democracy In A Move To Make Himself Seen As A Saviour Figure.
Here are some that I thought of:
40th Victim of the Donner-Reed Party: It is generally accepted that at least 88 individuals perished during their travel from the Midwest to California. Among the dead was a 38-year-old lawyer from Illinois named Abraham Lincoln, whose corpse was eaten by the surviving travelers.
Karl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)- A Swiss archaeologist who was well-known for his involvement in the discovery of the Bichon man. He passed away several years after the discovery.
President Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (1915-1963)- Known by his initials, JPK, Kennedy became the 35th President of the United States during the 1960 U.S. Presidential Election and its first Catholic president. His most controversial event of his life was when it was discovered that he praised Hitler's government during his 1934 visit to Germany. Although he has repeatedly apologized for his comments, the dark cloud of suspicion has never disappeared from him and nearly cost him the election. He was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22, 1963. His younger brother, John Kennedy, was assassinated five years later during the 1968 Democratic Presidential Primaries.
Brother Foucault (1926-1984)- A French Picpus monk from Paris who, initially a simple but pious monk, dabbled into writing support for (radical) progressive causes, causing controversy in his order and to the French Church. His reputation has significantly worsen in the decades after his AIDS-related death when new material was unearthed in which he argued that young minors could consent to sexual activity and praised the 1977 French Anti-Consent Petition.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (1927-present) Once the Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith(1981-1997), Ratzinger is the former Librarian and Archivist of the Vatican Library and Vatican Secret Archives from 1997-2001. Although he participated in the 2005 Conclave, he did not gain enough votes to be elected Pope, but was considered the second or third runner-up. He currently lives in Bavaria and is retired. He is also the last living cardinal elevated by Paul VI.
President Luis Donaldo Colosio Murrieta(1950-present) Elected 54th President of Mexico, Colosio was nearly assassinated during his presidential campaign on March 23rd, 1994, when the would-be assassin's, Mario Aburto, gun misfired. Colosio was president when Mexico was experiencing an economic crisis during the beginning of his term and tried to address the concerns of the Zapatistas. Throughout the rest of his presidency, several members of the PRI were convicted for crimes or disappeared under mysterious circumstances. His wife died nearly one month before he took the oath of office, but his children were taken care of by the Mexican government. Although he failed to achieve some of the goals that he campaigned before his ascension to the presidency, he is credited for reforming the Institutional Revolutionary Party (to some extent), which was able to still win presidential elections until sometime during the early 21st Century.
40th Victim of the Donner-Reed Party: It is generally accepted that at least 88 individuals perished during their travel from the Midwest to California. Among the dead was a 38-year-old lawyer from Illinois named Abraham Lincoln, whose corpse was eaten by the surviving travelers.
Karl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)- A Swiss archaeologist who was well-known for his involvement in the discovery of the Bichon man. He passed away several years after the discovery.
President Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (1915-1963)- Known by his initials, JPK, Kennedy became the 35th President of the United States during the 1960 U.S. Presidential Election and its first Catholic president. His most controversial event of his life was when it was discovered that he praised Hitler's government during his 1934 visit to Germany. Although he has repeatedly apologized for his comments, the dark cloud of suspicion has never disappeared from him and nearly cost him the election. He was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22, 1963. His younger brother, John Kennedy, was assassinated five years later during the 1968 Democratic Presidential Primaries.
Brother Foucault (1926-1984)- A French Picpus monk from Paris who, initially a simple but pious monk, dabbled into writing support for (radical) progressive causes, causing controversy in his order and to the French Church. His reputation has significantly worsen in the decades after his AIDS-related death when new material was unearthed in which he argued that young minors could consent to sexual activity and praised the 1977 French Anti-Consent Petition.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (1927-present) Once the Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith(1981-1997), Ratzinger is the former Librarian and Archivist of the Vatican Library and Vatican Secret Archives from 1997-2001. Although he participated in the 2005 Conclave, he did not gain enough votes to be elected Pope, but was considered the second or third runner-up. He currently lives in Bavaria and is retired. He is also the last living cardinal elevated by Paul VI.
President Luis Donaldo Colosio Murrieta(1950-present) Elected 54th President of Mexico, Colosio was nearly assassinated during his presidential campaign on March 23rd, 1994, when the would-be assassin's, Mario Aburto, gun misfired. Colosio was president when Mexico was experiencing an economic crisis during the beginning of his term and tried to address the concerns of the Zapatistas. Throughout the rest of his presidency, several members of the PRI were convicted for crimes or disappeared under mysterious circumstances. His wife died nearly one month before he took the oath of office, but his children were taken care of by the Mexican government. Although he failed to achieve some of the goals that he campaigned before his ascension to the presidency, he is credited for reforming the Institutional Revolutionary Party (to some extent), which was able to still win presidential elections until sometime during the early 21st Century.
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Paul Robeson. Born after a successful reconstruction. Outstanding athlete, lawyer, performer later Governor of Maryland
James Earl Carter Jr.
Former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Carter was one of the first congressmen from the former CSA and the first from any section to be elected since the War of Reunification (1915-1919). He played an important role in finding a peaceful resolution to the Spanish Crisis in 1976.
William McKinley
McKinley served as US Secretary of State 1895-1901. He was largely responsible for a change in US policy wherein it renounced its hitherto held policy of recognizing the Government of the Crown of Spain in Exile in Cuba as the legitimate Spanish government in favor of the Government of the Republic of Spain in Exile in Mexican New Spain.
Nicholas Romanov
While he could have become tsar if his older brother had died, Nicholas instead lived a (relatively) quiet life with his beloved wife Alix. When the Millenarian Revolution happened, he voluntarily went into exile in a Siberian Monastery with her and their children. While there he met and befriended famous Russian novelist Alexander Ulyanov.
Former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Carter was one of the first congressmen from the former CSA and the first from any section to be elected since the War of Reunification (1915-1919). He played an important role in finding a peaceful resolution to the Spanish Crisis in 1976.
William McKinley
McKinley served as US Secretary of State 1895-1901. He was largely responsible for a change in US policy wherein it renounced its hitherto held policy of recognizing the Government of the Crown of Spain in Exile in Cuba as the legitimate Spanish government in favor of the Government of the Republic of Spain in Exile in Mexican New Spain.
Nicholas Romanov
While he could have become tsar if his older brother had died, Nicholas instead lived a (relatively) quiet life with his beloved wife Alix. When the Millenarian Revolution happened, he voluntarily went into exile in a Siberian Monastery with her and their children. While there he met and befriended famous Russian novelist Alexander Ulyanov.
Otto Kretschmer
Banned
+1 for everyone who writes modern version of Plato and Archimedes and an Ancient Chinese version of Aristotle.
Wyatt Berry Stapp Earp 1848-1929. President of the United States.
Wyatt Earp had been a lawman of Winchita and Dodge City before resettling to Tombstone, Arizona Territory. Wyatt and his brothers especially gained notority during their times in Arizona. Later he went briefly to Alaska. In the 1890es Wyatt was approached by his friend Theodore Roosevelt to assist him. In 1898 Wyatt joined Roosevelt's Rough Riders and helped recruiting additional volunteers. Despite 50 years old, Wyatt still participated in the Cuba campaign. In the next years Wyatt worked closely with Roosevelt who trusted him blindly. He held offices in law enforcement and worked on Roosevelts political campaign and under the administration of McKinley-Roosevelt. Surprisingly Roosevelt picked Earp (under alternate circumstances) for his second term as Vice President. The press attacked Earp for his past calling him a ,pimp', bully'and a ,murderer'. Due to tragic illness Roosevelt passed away in 1908 and Earp was sworn in a POTUS. During the elections he gained an astounding popularity also due to sympathy because of Roosevelt's death. During the elections Earp was reinvented by his campaigners as fearless frontiersman who stands for law and order and also glorified his role during the Spanish War. Several silent film stripes had been produced showing off , The Adventures of fearless Lawman Wyatt Earp'. During his administration Earp couldn't show much economic or lawmaking competence but his staff kept things working while pushing him to be a more tough front figure with occasional political statements. Earp especially enforced harsh rhetoric against strikers and alleged Anarchists. In 1914 in his last year of his administration 65 year old Wyatt Earp was suprised by the outbreak of WW1....
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Archimedes: a Distinguished Scientist Working On The Nuclear Project Of The Republic Of Hellas. Inventor Of The Magnifying Glass And Flamethrower.
Plato:A Famous Philosopher And Political Scientist,Notable For Influence On The Myriad Of Dictatorships With His Idea Of A Philosopher King(AKA Enligntened Despot).
Was Also For A Brief Moment Dictator Of Greece.
Plato:A Famous Philosopher And Political Scientist,Notable For Influence On The Myriad Of Dictatorships With His Idea Of A Philosopher King(AKA Enligntened Despot).
Was Also For A Brief Moment Dictator Of Greece.
Georgy Zhukov
High Ranking General Of The Russian Empire and eventual Prime Minister under The Russian Social Democratic Party. Famous for leading Imperial Russian Troops Against The Forces Of Albert Speer’s Reich To Victory During Operation Enduring Scourge,Where German Army Groups 9-15 Were Destroyed Accelarating The Reich’s Eventual Collapse and Defeat In The 2nd World War.
Vasily Zyatsev
Governor Of Ukraine and Later Finance Minister. Was a devout believer in moderate politics and was extremely concerned with the increase of extremism within the Duma(Russian Parliament).
Tsar Alexei II
Tsar Of Russia From 1918-1978.
(Sorry for the Short and Lackluster Writing).
Tsar Of Russia From 1918-1978.
(Sorry for the Short and Lackluster Writing).