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How would Germany go about even attempting to make that seem like a realistic proposition?Germany could assure Japan control over all of Asia in return for assistance against Russia (and Britain)
How would Germany go about even attempting to make that seem like a realistic proposition?Germany could assure Japan control over all of Asia in return for assistance against Russia (and Britain)
Not possible. Germany was too weak in the Pacific to assure Japan of anything... what they could do, though, is maintain what few possessions they had. After all, let's be honest... what's one port, Tsingtao, and a handful of islands, compared to Manchuria or Indochina? What Germany perhaps could have done though, is leverage influence. If the onset of WWI doesn't happen, there's no reason to assume hostility between the UK and Germany... most of the issues had already been settled, and Sir Eddie can't stay in office forever...How would Germany go about even attempting to make that seem like a realistic proposition?
would Japan still issue the Twenty-One Demands if there was no European war to distract the great powers?It's not that they would be trying, per se... but the Twenty-one Demands managed to piss off everyone in OTL, despite Japan having already joined in on the Entente side in earnest...
so Britain effectively withdraws from European alliances and when a war breaks out between the powers Britain remains on the sidelines?Not possible. Germany was too weak in the Pacific to assure Japan of anything... what they could do, though, is maintain what few possessions they had. After all, let's be honest... what's one port, Tsingtao, and a handful of islands, compared to Manchuria or Indochina? What Germany perhaps could have done though, is leverage influence. If the onset of WWI doesn't happen, there's no reason to assume hostility between the UK and Germany... most of the issues had already been settled, and Sir Eddie can't stay in office forever...
I would draw the line about "all of Asia" though.... the UK would want a clear delineation of "spheres of influence"... but I don't think the UK would have a problem with Russian interests in Manchuria (including regaining their year-round ice-free port at Port Arthur) being thwarted preemptively by Japan...
Remember, we're not talking about "alliances" here... the "Entente" agreements with France and Russia were not military alliances on Britain's part, more a series of agreements to settle old disagreements, and did not obligate the UK to act militarily on either France or Russia's behalf...so Britain effectively withdraws from European alliances and when a war breaks out between the powers Britain remains on the sidelines?
so Britain effectively withdraws from European alliances and when a war breaks out between the powers Britain remains on the sidelines?
no not just no God nowould Japan still issue the Twenty-One Demands if there was no European war to distract the great powers?
What influence does Germany have in the Pacific? What can they offer that Britain isn’t already offering or offering more of?What Germany perhaps could have done though, is leverage influence.
Exclusively in the Pacific? Not much... but all are "world powers", except for Japan.... influences could be applied elsewhere in such a manner that could be of benefit to Japan - particularly in regard to Russia....What influence does Germany have in the Pacific? What can they offer that Britain isn’t already offering or offering more of?
Why would Germany want Japan more powerful in Asia?Germany could assure Japan control over all of Asia in return for assistance against Russia (and Britain)
Yes, not just Europe. The debt overhang from the war had a massive global impact. It created giant government and massive tax collection and inflation for the government to silently take your money away. Proportions of trade and foreign investment didn't reach 1913 levels until the 1990's. The only thing that advanced was the military art but even then that is questionable ie. the overseas diesel patrol submarine had matured by 1914, the RN had pre-war plans for 300 aircraft by 1918, the first concepts for aircraft carriers were from 1910. What the war managed was massive numbers of mediocre stuff and then no money or investment following the war. There is no way 3,500 BE2's would be built without the war.does this mean Europe is slightly more advanced ITTL? and is this technological, social, political, or economic development?
No. Japan was like Italy, a wannabe Great Power but not there yet. Without the war distracting Europe, the Japanese wouldn't have been this stupid.would Japan still issue the Twenty-One Demands if there was no European war to distract the great powers?
Hmmm... I've been trying to think of ways to get Japan into the "CP Camp" for a while now, but not so sure about the UK's involvement.... I think that Japan would go out of their way to reassure the Brits (possibly not successfully) that their interests in China do not conflict with the UK's interests in China - so as not to upset the Anglo-Japanese Alliance. The UK may realize that their interests do NOT coincide with Russia's interest.
France will of course support the Russians... which could lead to bad things (for the French, at least) in Indochina well before 1941....
Fun thing is, if you butterfly away the onset of World War in 1914, the field really becomes wide open....
That depends on your definition of great Power, but they were surely strong regional powes with plenty of potential and were usually taken into account when decisions had to be made.No. Japan was like Italy, a wannabe Great Power but not there yet. Without the war distracting Europe, the Japanese wouldn't have been this stupid.
Could someone explain what exactly is Irish Home Rule, and why it was controversial. What I mean by this is specifics. So what it going to be devolved/regional government or Dominion status (semi-independent country)? If it was a devolved Government what powers would it have, and why would that be bad for the Ulster-Scots? Was the main concern of the Ulster-Scots, that a devolved Ireland could move to independence, and the Ulster-Scots would be stuck in that independent state?Given that even with the build up to WW1 the UK was still thoroughly engaged with trying to even draw up where the "border" was meant to be, I wouldn't make the assumption that violence would be prevented on the island.