Alternate warships of nations

Wouldn't Quebec get a decent chunk of the RCN anyway, or easily be able to purchase it, in the event of a peaceful split? The RCN would downsize quite a bit after a successful Quebec independece.
Newfoundland. Those Newfies are quite the empire-builders. Got to keep an eye on them.
True. As a small nation with lots of fishing grounds to protect, they'd obviously be like Iceland in the Cod Wars and thus an invincible opponent.
 
I could see a few big ships needed just to survive the Atlantic and do their missions but otherwise I dont think the populace would want many warships
 
Quebecois Marine Nationale (Quebec Navy)

Set up with French help after the split with Canada, the Quebec Navy was created to protect the waters into Quebec which were important trade routes and to protect fishing areas. Second hand French vessels were purchased first while the Quebec industrial base built up it's ship building capacity.

2020

Personnel: 36,000

Inventory:

CV

No CV, instead an extra 4 FF/DD will be ordered

FF/DD

12 x FREMM Frigates (another 16 to be ordered and to be commissioned at yearly intervals)

SSBN's

None, 4 extra SSN's instead.

SSN's

2 x Barracuda class (another 8 ordered and being built)

Patrol

16 x D'Entrecasteaux class 8 in service (another 8 building)

Aircraft

24 x A-320 MPA
72 x NH-90 (ASW)

CVs aside that is a larger navy than the RN who currently have just under 33K regular service men and women!

Just saying

Edit: I see others might have mentioned it aready!
 

Driftless

Donor
Any suggestions for the Kingdom of Hawaii Navy in a world where it's never annexed and remains a US protectorate?
Depending on how the relationship unfolds, that territory could extend to Midway, French Frigate Shoals, and of course the familiar islands.

Either way, some deep water and coastal patrol boats are probably the bulk of the craft. Lot of work in fisheries and wildlife protection, search and rescue, plus some keeping foreign snoopers at bay too
 
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Any suggestions for the Kingdom of Hawaii Navy in a world where it's never annexed and remains a US protectorate?

Maybe some older Frigates/Corvettes and some Diesel Submarines but definitely no Carriers or Nuclear Submarines. And probably no full size destroyers.

Probably not even that since it will depend on USN to protect itself. Something like Pacific and Guardian class patrol boats are probably more likely.
 
The population of Hawaii is 1.4 million and GSP is slightly more than $80 billion. Countries with comparable economies include Oman, Kenya, Sri Lanka, Ecuador, Guatemala, and the Dominican Republic. Oman and Kenya spend way more on defense than Hawaii would, and Guatemala and the DR are both around 0.6% of GDP. Ecuador has two Type 209s, a pair of 2,500 ton Leanders and six 700 ton Italian corvettes plus patrol boats and auxiliaries. Since the US would be a "reliable ally" of the Hawaiians, the Hawaiian navy would look more like a coast guard than anything else, so up to a half-dozen medium endurance cutters plus about two dozen patrol boats (40 meters or smaller) and some auxiliaries. I think OPVs would be more important than SSKs.
 
Maybe some older Frigates/Corvettes and some Diesel Submarines but definitely no Carriers or Nuclear Submarines. And probably no full size destroyers.

Probably not even that since it will depend on USN to protect itself. Something like Pacific and Guardian class patrol boats are probably more likely.

A lot will depend on its size in terms of population, economy and regional sphere of influence. With no US involvement, this would most likely be very limited and more alike the small Pacific independent states in the South Pacific Region, like Tonga. If there is any need for a standing Navy, outside a much more limited policing force of some kind, it would be a very small one with a few patrol craft at best for rapid interception of smugglers and not much more. A custom Navy would be out of the question, as the small size of the hypothetical state and its limited economical backing would prevent such a thing.
 
Any suggestions for the Kingdom of Hawaii Navy in a world where it's never annexed and remains a US protectorate?
If it remains a protectorate – or more likely a Compact of Association like the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Palau – then would they have one? Generally one of the main points of the relationship is that the larger state takes on the responsibility of defence. Hell, do the current associated states even maintain an independent coast guard?
 
If it remains a protectorate – or more likely a Compact of Association like the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Palau – then would they have one? Generally one of the main points of the relationship is that the larger state takes on the responsibility of defence. Hell, do the current associated states even maintain an independent coast guard?

They have Maritime Police/Sea Patrol and operate some Australian built patrol boats OTL.

 
Fiji would be the best comparison because independent Hawaii would have similar economies and demographics although I suspect Hawaii would be slightly larger and more prosperous since it sits right in the middle of the Pacific on a trade route.

So nothing particularly big although I could see an independent Hawaii being like Fiji or Thailand in terms of the situation with the military with occasional coups and the military dominated by ethnic Hawaiians and whites as opposed to the substantial Asian population. Could mean a larger military budget to keep them happy meaning more ships.
 
Everything would depend on Haway's economy, ie what it can aford. Without major sources of income (and tourism is not enough...) it would be unable to aford anything bigger than some corvetes, maybe a frigate or two...
 

McPherson

Banned
With regards to Hawaii, the chances of it being a semi-independent state, once coaling stations become absolutely vital to the new steel navies of Japan. USA, UK, Russia, Germany and France; all jockeying for position in the Pacific Ocean, circa 1900, are so close to ZERO that it becomes a PoD ATL debate to see who grabs the islands before the Americans do and what kind of war with the Americans results.
 
OK I'm doing a small project at the moment which may go nowhere. I'm looking for ideas for a ship design.

Anyway what you need to know about the timeline is that the economy of British India is significantly better than OTL (around 20% better) and the economy of the UK is slightly better than OTL (around 5%).

The stronger Indian economy leads to a bigger investment in naval affairs by the British Raj after Russian cruiser warfare in the Indian ocean in this time lines equivalent to the Russo Japanese war. The Royal Indian Navy is founded in 1904. Procedures are put in place that Royal Naval personal can serve in the Royal Indian Navy at full pay (paid by the India office) and their rank and seniority would carry on for when they want to transfer back to Royal Naval service.

In 1904, 1905, and 1906, the Royal Indian Navy orders a protected cruiser and 2-4 destroyers. In 1907 they place an order for a flag ship of their new fleet. They are ordering no new ships in 1908 to focus their budget in the 1907 order.

They order something to fit a niche that the Royal Navy never seemed to want to fill at this time period. I'll call it a second class cruiser. Something between protected or scout cruisers (around 3k tons) and battlecruisers .

A specification from the Royal Indian Navy for a Second Class Cruiser
1. Budget, the ship must cost less than £900,000
2. The ship must be no longer than 500 foot in length and must be no more than 64 foot in breadth
3. The ship must be at least 26 knots though 27 would be preferred.
4. The ship should be armed with existing Royal Navy guns. The main target of this ship is protected and scout cruisers. The ability to hurt an armoured cruiser would be appreciated but is not a focus.
5. There should be some weapon capable of rapid fire use against torpedo ships.
6. The ship should have deck armour capable of defending against the guns of destroyers or protected or scout cruisers.
7. There should be belt armour.

Anyone care to offer suggestions?
 
How about range? Is this just to protect India's coast, or would this India be projecting naval power, thus requiring longer range?
 
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