List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[kasumigenx]

Charles VI m. Philippa of Lancaster(a)

1a. Charles b. 1386 d. 1386

2a. Jeanne b. 1388 m. Richard II(a) – without issue(a) James I of Scotland (b)

3a. Isabella b. 1390 m. John V, Duke of Brittany

4a.Charles, Duke of Viennois b. 1392 d. 1401

5a. Marie b. 1393 m. Edward III of Bar

6a. Michelle b. 1395 m. Philip the Good

7a. John, the Dauphin b. 1397 d. 1415

8a. Louis, Dauphin b. 1398 d. 1417

9a. Catherine b. 1401 m. Alfonso V of Aragon

10a. Charles VII b. 1403

*note her sister Elizabeth/Isabella takes her place as the wife of John I of Portugal

 

[VVD0D95]

A little something inspired by the thread on this topic. Mary Tudor becomes Queen of England in 1536

Mary I of England (b.1516) m James V of Scotland and I of England (b.1512)

Issue

Catherine of England (b.1537)

James II of England Ireland and VI of Scotland (b.1538)

Stillborn (b.1540:d.1540)

Margaret of Scotland (b.1542)

Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1544)

Stillborn (b.1546:d.1546)

Mary of England b.1550)

Robert, Duke of Somerset and Ross (b.1553)

 

[HortenseMancini]

A little something inspired by the thread on this topic. Mary Tudor becomes Queen of England in 1536

Mary I of England (b.1516) m James V of Scotland and I of England (b.1512)

Issue

Catherine of England (b.1537)

James II of England Ireland and VI of Scotland (b.1538)

Stillborn (b.1540:d.1540)

Margaret of Scotland (b.1542)

Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1544)

Stillborn (b.1546:d.1546)

Mary of England b.1550)

Robert, Duke of Somerset and Ross (b.1553)

Charles is an...interesting name choice for the second son. Is it in honor of Charles V?

 

[isabella]

Charles is an...interesting name choice for the second son. Is it in honor of Charles V?

Without any doubt

 

[VVD0D95]

Charles is an...interesting name choice for the second son. Is it in honor of Charles V?

Yes

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Youngest child of John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg, born in 1490 is a girl. That girl, named Margaret, later marries Sigismund the Old.

Margaret of Brandenburg (1490-1552) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1) Hedwig (1510-1562) m. Janusz III (1502-1526) Duke of Mazovia

1) Janusz IV (1526-1568) Duke of Mazovia 1526, m. Barbara Gasztołd* (1538-1591)​

2) Sigismund II (1512-1578) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Anna of Austria (1528-1590)

1) Sigismund III (1551-1587) King of Poland 1578, m. Sophia of Tirol** (1561-1598)​

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2) Vladislaus (1553-1559)​

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3) Casimir (1555)​

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4) Alexander II (1558-1622) King of Poland 1587, m. Sidonie of Saxony*** (1573-1643)​

3) Elizabeth (1515-1520)

4) Sophia (1517-1569) m. George Albert (1518-1581) Elector of Saxony****

1) Elizabeth (1539-1599) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tirol​

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2) Barbara (1541)​

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3) John Sigismund (1543-1586) Elector of Saxony, m. Joanna of Austria (1547-1578)​

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4) Albert (1546-1554)​

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5) Margaret (1548)​

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6) Sophia (1551-1553)​

5) Vladislaus (1519-1522)

6) John (1521-1551)

* ATL daughter of Barbara Radziwiłł and Stanisław Gasztołd
** Daughter of Archduke Ferdinand of Tirol and Elizabeth of Saxony
*** Daughter of JohnnSigismund of Saxony and Joanna of Austria
**** Son of John of Saxony and Elizabeth of Hesse, grandson of George the Bearded

 

[HortenseMancini]

POD: Philip the Handsome dies sometime before the conception of OTL Charles V, leaving behind one daughter. ITTL one or both of Juana's older siblings also produce issue so her daughter with Philip, Mary, inherits only the Burgundian lands, like her namesake grandmother. I will fill in marriages for Mary and Antoine's children later.


Philip of Austria, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1478, d. 1498-1499) m. Juana of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479, d. 1555) in 1496, had issue

1) Mary of Austria, Queen of Lotharingia (b. 1498, d. ?) m. Antoine of Lorraine, King of Lotharingia (b. 1489, d. 1544) in 1513, had issue​

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1) Philip, Count of Charolais (b. 1515, d. 1516)​

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2) Charles I, King of Lotharingia (b. 1517, d. ?)​

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3) John, Duke of Brabant (b. 1519, d. 1542)​

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4) Philippa (b. 1522, d. ?)​

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5) Antoine, Count of Hainault (b. 1524, d. ?)​

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6) Isabelle (b. 1526, d. ?)​

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7) Louis, Count of Flanders (b. 1527, d. 1534)​

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8) Margaret (b. 1529, d. ?)​

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9) René, Count of Luxembourg (b. 1532, d. ?)​

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Descendants of Mary of Burgundy-ITTL it is Philip who dies without issue, while his younger siblings have surviving kids, Habsburgs don't get Spain, Bohemia and Hungary, but they inherit England ITTL).

Mary of Burgundy (1457-1482) m. Maximilian I (1459-1519) Holy Roman Emperor

1) Philip (1478-1506) m. Joanna of Castile (1479-1555)

2) Margaret (1480-1530) m. a) John, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) b) Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia and Hungary

1a) Joanna I (1498-1542) Queen of Castile 1504, m. Michael I of Portugal (1498-1539)​

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1) John III (1517-1571) King of Spain, m. a) Anna of Austria (1517-1539) b) Margaret of France (1523-1574)​

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2) Joanna (1519-1586) m. Francis II (1518-1551) King of France​

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3) Ferdinand (1521-1565) Duke of Coimbra, m.​

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4) Alfonso (1523-1526)​

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5) Isabella (1525-1579) m. Maximilian I (1524-1546) King of England​

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6) Michael (1529)​

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7) Margaret (1532-1574)​

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2b) Stephen VI (1503-1526) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1516, m. Mary of Austria (1508-1525)​

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3b) Sigismund II (1505-1559) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1526, m. Margaret of Brandenburg (1511-1577)​

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1) Margaret (1529-1568) m. Sigismund II (1515-1578) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland (son of Sigismund the Old and Catherine of Mecklenburg)​

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2) Elizabeth (1530-1593) m. Rudolf II (1527-1582) Holy Roman Emperor​

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3) Stephen (1532-1542)​

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4) Anna (1535)​

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5) Sigismund III (1538-1609) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1559, m.​

3) Francis (1481-1547) Holy Roman Emperor 1519 m. a) Anne of Lorraine (1490-1519, daughter of René II) b) Elizabeth of England (1506-1538, daughter of Arthur Tudor and Catherine of Aragon)

1a) Mary (1508-1525) m. Stephen VI (1503-1526) King of Bohemia and Hungary​

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2a) Maximilian (1510-1521)​

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3a) Philip (1512)​

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4a) Margaret (1514)​

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5a) Anna (1517-1539) m. John III (1517-1571) King of Spain​

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6a) Francis (1519)​

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7b) Maximilian I (1524-1546) King of England 1540, m. Isabella of Spain (1525-1579)​

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8b) Rudolf II (1527-1582) Holy Roman Emperor 1547, m. Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary (1530-1593) m.​

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9b) Francis (1528)​

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10b) Margaret (1530-1572) m. Albert V (1528-1579) Duke of Bavaria​

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11b) Catherine (1532-1570) m. Emmanuel Philibert (1528-1580) Duke of Savoy​

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12b) Elizabeth (1533-1589) m. William (1515-1592) Duke of Cleves​

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13b) Arthur (1535)​

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14b) Henry (1538)​

 

[Ivan Lupo]

POD: Philip the Handsome dies sometime before the conception of OTL Charles V, leaving behind one daughter. ITTL one or both of Juana's older siblings also produce issue so her daughter with Philip, Mary, inherits only the Burgundian lands, like her namesake grandmother. I will fill in marriages for Mary and Antoine's children later.


Philip of Austria, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1478, d. 1498-1499) m. Juana of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479, d. 1555) in 1496, had issue

1) Mary of Austria, Queen of Lotharingia (b. 1498, d. ?) m. Antoine of Lorraine, King of Lotharingia (b. 1489, d. 1544) in 1513, had issue​

1) Philip, Count of Charolais (b. 1515, d. 1516)​

2) Charles I, King of Lotharingia (b. 1517, d. ?)​

3) John, Duke of Brabant (b. 1519, d. 1542)​

4) Philippa (b. 1522, d. ?)​

5) Antoine, Count of Hainault (b. 1524, d. ?)​

6) Isabelle (b. 1526, d. ?)​

7) Louis, Count of Flanders (b. 1527, d. 1534)​

8) Margaret (b. 1529, d. ?)​

9) René, Count of Luxembourg (b. 1532, d. ?)​

Wouldn't Mary here already be OTL Eleanor of Austria?

 

[HortenseMancini]

Wouldn't Mary here already be OTL Eleanor of Austria?

Well, she's basically Eleanor of Austria but I gave her a different name. I mean, I guess technically the POD is actually the birth of Philip and Juana's first child.

 

[Ivan Lupo]

Well, she's basically Eleanor of Austria but I gave her a different name. I mean, I guess technically the POD is actually the birth of Philip and Juana's first child.

Fair enough, either name works for a first born daughter. And if Philip dies before Juana gives birth to Eleanor/Mary, then the name Isabella probably comes into play as well.

 

[kasumigenx]

I think in the timeline where Eleanor is a heiress, she can marry the palatinate dude that she wanted to marry.

 

[Kynan]

Scenario: Jeanne of France has children with Louis XII of France.

Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) m. Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1464: d.1505) (a)

1a) Louis XIII, King of France (b.1481: d.1532) m. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477: d.1519) (a), Marguerite d'Angouleme (b.1492: d.1549) (b)​

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1a) Isabel, Duchess of Brittany (b.1499: d.1575) m. Louis XIV, King of France (b.1505: d.1548) (a)​

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- had issue​

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2a) Louis, Dauphin of France (b.1500: d.1516) m. Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) (a)​

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- had no issue​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1502)​

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4a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1503)​

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5a) Charlotte, Princess of France (b.1505: d.1527) m. Henri II, King of Navarre (b.1503: d.1555) (a)​

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- had no issue​

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6a) Stillborn Son (c.1508)​

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7a) Louis, Prince of France (b.1509: d.1509)​

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8a) Charles, Dauphin of France (b.1511: d.1517)​

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9a) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1512: d.1515)​

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10a) Stillborn Son (c.1514)​

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11a) Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1515: d.1534) m. James V, King of Scotland (b.1512: d.1542) (a)​

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1a) Joan I, Queen of Scotland (b.1533)​

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12a) Anne, Princess of France (b.1516: d.1544) m. Antoine, Duke of Vendome (b.1518: d.1562) (a)​

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- had no issue​

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13b) Charles, Dauphin of France (b.1525: d.1525)​

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14b) Marie, Princess of France (b.1528: d.1600) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b.1528: d.1580) (a)​

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1a) Philibert III, Duke of Savoy (b.1549)​

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2a) Joan of Savoy (b.1555)​

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3a) Beatrice of Savoy (b.1558)​

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2a) Charles, Duke of Orleans (b.1484: d.1521) m. Margaret of Bavaria (b.1480: d.1511) (a), Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) (b)​

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1a) Jeanne d'Orleans (b.1502: d.1551) m. Francois, Count of Angouleme (b.1494: d.1547) (a)​

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1a) Charles d'Angouleme (b.1520: d.1525)​

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2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1522)​

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3a) Louise d'Angouleme (b.1523: d.1527)​

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4a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1524)​

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5a) Marie d'Angouleme (b.1528: d.1530)​

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2a) Louise d'Orleans (b.1503: d.1541) m. Henri II, King of Navarre (b.1503: d.1555) (a)​

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1a) John IV, King of Navarre (b.1529)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1532)​

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3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1535)​

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3a) Louis XIV, King of France (b.1505: d.1548) m. Isabel, Duchess of Brittany (b.1499: d.1575) (a)​

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1a) Anne, Princess of France (b.1524)​

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2a) Charles IX, King of France (b.1527)​

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3a) Louis, Duke of Orleans (b.1529)​

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4a) Philippe, Duke of Anjou (b.1531)​

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5a) Charlotte, Princess of France (b.1534)​

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4a) Stillborn Son (c.1507)​

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5b) Henri, Duke of Berry (b.1518: d.1565) m. Mary I, Queen of England (b.1516: d.1558) (a)​

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1a) Catherine, Princess of England (b.1546)​

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2a) Henry IX, King of England (b.1549)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1551)​

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6b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1520)​

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7b) Elisabeth d'Orleans (b.1522: d.1573) m. James V, King of Scotland (b.1512: d.1542) (a)​

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- had no issue​

 

[isabella]

I think in the timeline where Eleanor is a heiress, she can marry the palatinate dude that she wanted to marry.

She would be married long before meeting him and is mostly likely she would be engaged in Lorraine from the start

 

[HortenseMancini]

She would be married long before meeting him and is mostly likely she would be engaged in Lorraine from the start

Yes, Mary/Eleanor is never going to marry anyone but Antoine ITTL.

 

[HortenseMancini]

POD: Richard II is born a girl, named Philippa, and married Charles III of Navarre. Inspired by this thread.


Edward of Woodstock, Prince of Wales (b. 1330, d. 1376) m. Joan, 4th Countess of Kent (b. 1326/1327, d. 1385) in 1361, had issue

1) Edward of Angoulême (b. 1365, d. 1370)​

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2) Philippa of Bordeaux, Queen of England (b. 1367) m. Charles III, King of Navarre (b. 1361) in 1380, had issue​

1) Joan, Duchess of Bar (b. 1382) m. Edward III, Duke of Bar (b. 1377) in 1397, had issue​

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2) Blanche, Electress Palatine (b. 1385) m. Louis III, Elector Palatine (b. 1378) in 1398, had issue​

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3) Edward IV and I, King of England and Navarre (b. 1387) m. Isabelle of France (b. 1389, d. 1409) in 1402, had issue (a); Bonne of Armagnac (b. 1399, d. 1432) in 1410, had issue (b)​

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1a) Philippa of England (b. 1409, d. 1418)​

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2b) Bonne/Bona of England (b. 1415, d. 1418)​

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3b) Joan of England (b. 1417) m. TBD​

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4b) Isabella of England (b. 1419) m. TBD​

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5b) Margaret of England (b. 1422, d. 1423)​

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6b) Mary of England (b. 1423) m. TBD​

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7b) Anne of England (b. 1424)​

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8b) Edward, Prince of Wales and Viana (b. and d. 1426)​

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9b) Charles, Prince of Wales and Viana (b. 1429, d. 1430)​

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10b) Henry IV and II, King of England and Navarre (b. 1432) m. Philippa of Portugal (b. 1430) in 1447, had issue​

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4) John (b. 1388, d. 1389)​

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5) Henry (b. 1389, d. 1391)​

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6) Philippa, Queen of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (b. 1391) m. Erik of Pomerania, King of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (b. 1381/1382) in 1406, had issue​

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7) Edmund (b. 1392, d. 1395)​

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8) Isabella (b. 1396, d. 1397)​

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9) Richard, Duke of Clarence (b. 1399) m. TBD​

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10) Thomas (b. and d. 1403)​

 

[Victoria]

POD: Henry VIII dies in 1503 so Henry VII remarries to Catherine of Aragon.

Henry VII (1457-1511) marries a) Elizabeth of York (1466-1503) in 1486, b) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539) in 1504.

• 1a Arthur, prince of Wales (1486-1501) marries Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539) in 1501, no issue.
• 2a Margaret, queen of Scotland (1489-1540) marries a) James IV of Scotland (1473-1522) in 1503, b) Henry Stewart (1495-1552) in 1525.
  • 1a James V of Scotland (1507-1532) marries Renee of France (1510-1531) in 1527.
    • 1 Margaret II of Scotland (1528-1581) marries William IV of England.
    • 2 Anne (1530-1592) marries Eric XIV of Sweden.
    • 3 Stillborn son (1531)
  • 2a Stillborn daughter (1508)
  • 3a Arthur, duke of Ross (1509-1510)
  • 4a Margaret (1512-1519)
  • 5a Alexander, duke of Ross (1514-1515)
  • 6a Elizabeth (1515-1561)
• 3a Henry (1491-1503), duke of York.
• 4a Elizabeth (1492-1495)
• 5a Mary, Holy Roman Empress (1596-1543) marries Charles V (1500-1558) in 1515.
  • 1 Juana (1516-1517)
  • 2 María, duchess if Brittany (1518-1579)
  • 3 Felipe, king of Spain (1520-1578)
  • 4 Isabel (1521-1584)
  • 5 Carlos, duke of the Netherlands (1523-1567)
  • 6 Enrique (1524-1531)
  • 7 Catalina (1527)
  • 8 Margarita (1529-1587)
• 6a Edmund, duke of Somerset (1499-1500)
• 7a Catherine (1503)
• 8b William III of England (1505-1552) marries Catherine of Austria (1507-1578) in 1525.
  • 1 Catherine (1526-1429)
  • 2 Mary (1527)
  • 3 William IV of England (1529-1600) marries Margaret II of Scotland.
  • 4 Henry, duke of York (1530-1577)
  • 5 Joan (1532-1533)
  • 6 Arthur, duke of Richmond (1534-1538)
  • 7 Philippa, queen of France (1537-1602) marries Francis II of France* (1536-1579).
  • 8 Charles (1539)
• 9b Stillborn son (1506)
• 10b Eleanor, queen of Portugal (1508-1549) marries John III of Portugal (1502-1557) in 1525.
  • 1 Stillborn daughter (1526)
  • 2 Alfonso (1528-1537)
  • 3 Stillborn son (1529)
  • 4 Stillborn son (1531)
  • 5 Maria Leonor(1534-1571)
  • 6 Manuel (1534-1578)

*Son of Francis, duke of Brittany and dauphin of France, and María of Spain.
I don't know who Elizabeth Stewart could marry, does anyone have a suggestion? Also I might continue this and add the children of William and Margaret.

 

[kasumigenx]

Louis III, Duke of Anjou and Provence(Titular King of Naples) b. 1403 d. 1438 m. Margaret of Savoy(a)

1a. Margaret of Anjou b. 1436 m. Louis XI of France

 

[kasumigenx]

Matilda of England m. Geoffrey Plantagenet(b)

1a. Henry II of England b. 1133m. Constance of France b. 1133[1]

2a. Geoffrey, Count of Nantes b. 1134(a)

3a. William, Count of Dieppe b. 1136

4a. Matilda of Anjou b. 1143 m. Philippe II of France b. 1145(a)[2]

1.Sister of Louis VII

2. Son of Louis VII and Eleanor of Aquitaine

 

[HortenseMancini]

I don't know who Elizabeth Stewart could marry, does anyone have a suggestion?

May I suggest Antoine de Bourbon, OTL King of Navarre? Or perhaps Henri, Duke d’Orléans? They’re both younger than Elizabeth but either could do nicely for a French alliance.