Moonlight in a Jar: An Al-Andalus Timeline

[Denliner]

So great to see a new act unfold in Moonlight in a Jar! I'm definitely excited for what's to come next in this great world in the Early Modern Period

I'm honestly interested in what path the Emir is gonna travel through to reach Mecca, since there's a lot of options.
It's possible that he could travel through the Mediterranean like this:

Isbili -> Qurtubah -> Daniyah -> Sale -> Mahdia -> Alexandria -> Cairo -> Jerusalem -> Medina -> Mecca

The threat of Christian pirates or hostile merchant parties does could be concern, so that path might not be the best for the Emir and his entourage.
Alternatively, he could round the entirety of Africa, which would be safer from Christians and have more destinations, including the makzans for resupply:

Isbili -> Qurtubah -> Qadis -> Sale -> Tekrur -> Ubinu -> NsiKongo -> Azaniyah -> Kilwa -> Qamar -> Warsheikh -> Zeila -> Medina -> Mecca

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[4] Occitan Bermuda.

I wonder if the curses involving Bermuda/Setania is gonna permeate into pop culture (Setania Triangle anyone??)

 

[Planet of Hats]

So great to see a new act unfold in Moonlight in a Jar! I'm definitely excited for what's to come next in this great world in the Early Modern Period

I'm honestly interested in what path the Emir is gonna travel through to reach Mecca, since there's a lot of options.
It's possible that he could travel through the Mediterranean do some thing like this:

The threat of Christian pirates or hostile merchant parties does could be concern, so that path might not be the best for the Emir and his entourage.
Alternatively, he could round the entirety of Africa, which would be safer from Christians and have more destinations, including the makzans for resupply:

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I wonder if the curses involving Bermuda/Setania is gonna permeate into pop culture (Setania Triangle anyone??)

The Emir is traveling with escorts, and well-armed ones at that - his flotilla is a much harder target for pirates than your average merchantman. He's got enough money and enough kishafa with him to make the Mediterranean route viable, Genoese freebooters notwithstanding.

 

[Contrary]

Where's al-Barshil again?

 

[Crazymachines]

direcions.

typoo

 

[Denliner]

Where's al-Barshil again?

Al-Barshil (aka Brazil) is Newfoundland OTL.

 

[Alexander the Average]

I'm honestly interested in what path the Emir is gonna travel through to reach Mecca, since there's a lot of options.
It's possible that he could travel through the Mediterranean do some thing like this:
The threat of Christian pirates or hostile merchant parties does could be concern, so that path might not be the best for the Emir and his entourage.
Alternatively, he could round the entirety of Africa, which would be safer from Christians and have more destinations, including the makzans for resupply:

Maybe both. Goes there one way and another route on the way back. Maybe he writes an account and becomes the Otomi Ibn Battuta?

 

[Planet of Hats]

typoo

You saw nothing!!

>.>

<.<

 

[Nivek]

The Emir is traveling with escorts, and well-armed ones at that - his flotilla is a much harder target for pirates than your average merchantman. He's got enough money and enough kishafa with him to make the Mediterranean route viable, Genoese freebooters notwithstanding.

Maybe the captured some those Genoese, might need more hands back in Al-Aqsa

 

[Yama951]

The Hajj of an Alt!Mansa Musa figure is a delight to imagine. OTL, Mansa Musa's hajj and his generous wealth to the point it crashed local economies was legendary enough to make Timbuktu a famous name even after it declined, if memory serves.

 

[akramos2012]

Nice chapter , again one of the The beast TL on the site in my opinion. Also how are the great powers that you want theam to servive to modern day just the first 3
and what is the population of the al Andalus

 

[Denliner]

The Hajj of an Alt!Mansa Musa figure is a delight to imagine. OTL, Mansa Musa's hajj and his generous wealth to the point it crashed local economies was legendary enough to make Timbuktu a famous name even after it declined, if memory serves.

I doubt that the Otomi Emir is gonna crash the economy, since Muhammad lacks the INSANE amount of gold that Mansa Musa had (Seriously, Mansa Musa still has the highest individual wealth in all of human history) even if he's still extremely wealthy from all of the gold and the kakaw/shukutil trade. It's honestly quite sad that we didn't get a similar Hajj from the Manden Kurufaba (Mali Empire) but this makes up for it.

Still, Muhammad Mahbat is probably going to capture the hearts and minds of practically everyone in Dar al-Islam or beyond for centuries to come purely from his presence, which is honestly priceless. He's a man from literally another world, practically an alien to all those around him, and he's Muslim thanks to the people who follow the Umayyad Caliph (Andalusi, Maghrebi, Sudani, etc.)

If there's anyone that provides the greatest credence to the power of the Umayyad Caliph over the Abbasids in Dar al-Islam, it's honestly him.

 

[Nivek]

Still, Muhammad Mahbat is probably going to capture the hearts and minds of practically everyone in Dar al-Islam or beyond for centuries to come purely from his presence, which is honestly priceless. He's a man from literally another world, practically an alien to all those around him, and he's Muslim thanks to the people who follow the Umayyad Caliph (Andalusi, Maghrebi, Sudani, etc.)

If there's anyone that provides the greatest credence to the power of the Umayyad Caliph over the Abbasids in Dar al-Islam, it's honestly him.

Yeah i think we sell short how would affect the islamic historiography, as you say, the Ummayyd(i use as byword for andalusi too) found a literal new earth full of people didn't got the message yet and converted people to God's Way. That is something massive showing a lot about the world itself

 

[Yama951]

Yeah i think we sell short how would affect the islamic historiography, as you say, the Ummayyd(i use as byword for andalusi too) found a literal new earth full of people didn't got the message yet and converted people to God's Way. That is something massive showing a lot about the world itself

Would even make the Umayyad Caliphs have equal footing in terms of prestige compared to the Abbasid Caliphs. Also makes Maliki Islam a truly global religion in the long term if they have the same level of influence throughout the Americas as Spain and Portugal did. I could imagine the Bataids trying to spread their branch of Islam east and northeast wards to get the same claim of influence...

 

[snassni2]

Doesn't the Ummayad Caliph already have more prestige? The whole Maghreb, West Africa, Kongo and the new world follow him. Also Andalusis have more influence in south east asia and east asia than the Bataids. In the long term Maliki school will probably have more folllwers than the other schools.

 

[Denliner]

Would even make the Umayyad Caliphs have equal footing in terms of prestige compared to the Abbasid Caliphs. Also makes Maliki Islam a truly global religion in the long term if they have the same level of influence throughout the Americas as Spain and Portugal did. I could imagine the Bataids trying to spread their branch of Islam east and northeast wards to get the same claim of influence...

The people of Western and Eastern Islam probably don't really care about each other's Caliphs, since they each accuse each other's Caliph of being a kafir and not as an equal, so it's possible that they assume that others in Dar-al Islam should be following either the Umayyads in Qurtubah or the Abbasids in Qustantiniyya. In an out of universe perspective, the Umayyad Caliphs have significantly more reach than the Abbasids already, and it could be very likely that the rulers of Sunni countries like Egypt, Kilwa, or Warsheikh could change their allegiances to the Umayyads in the coming decades since Al-Andalus has immense influence and a lot of wealth compared to the Roman Empire, which would be a pretty huge source of conflict in the Indian Ocean, although one heavily skewed in favor of the Asmarids over the Bataids.
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Since we're talking a bit about piracy and the Mediterranean Sea, how rampant is Christian/Muslim piracy in the area compared to OTL? It's possible that avaricious Asmarid corsairs could be raiding coastal Christian towns or ships for goods or slaves similar to the Barbary corsairs in OTL although it could be far reduced since the Maghreb is more reliant on agriculture and trade than before.

In fact, I might argue that it could be the Christians that could be seen as the major pirating entity, since the major trade routes shifted to the Atlas much earlier and with the growth of Muslim polities relative to their own, it could make sense that raids on Asmarid/Nasrid/Bataid shipping in the central Med could be common for goods or slaves as a source of income. It's definitely why I was concerned for the Otomi Emir taking the Med route (Before I saw that it was canon, my bad), although his flotilla could probably wreck most pirate fleets, so all is good.

 

[Planet of Hats]

So I'm gonna throw y'all a curveball.

The amount of worldbuilding I've done for Moonlight is pretty exhaustive, and it's occurred to me that it's easy to forget names and locations and other key things that I drop in a chapter and then whisk on past. There are so many little details that have piled up over the course of the timeline that I've been thinking about a way to reference and compile them all. (Honestly the one that's recurred most for me is Papal numbering: I've had to maintain a list behind the scenes.)

Simple question here: Would y'all be interested in a Moonlight wiki of some kind?

 

[HerodotosofBerlin]

So I'm gonna throw y'all a curveball.

The amount of worldbuilding I've done for Moonlight is pretty exhaustive, and it's occurred to me that it's easy to forget names and locations and other key things that I drop in a chapter and then whisk on past. There are so many little details that have piled up over the course of the timeline that I've been thinking about a way to reference and compile them all. (Honestly the one that's recurred most for me is Papal numbering: I've had to maintain a list behind the scenes.)

Simple question here: Would y'all be interested in a Moonlight wiki of some kind?

YEEEEESSSSS!!!

 

[Crazymachines]

So I'm gonna throw y'all a curveball.

The amount of worldbuilding I've done for Moonlight is pretty exhaustive, and it's occurred to me that it's easy to forget names and locations and other key things that I drop in a chapter and then whisk on past. There are so many little details that have piled up over the course of the timeline that I've been thinking about a way to reference and compile them all. (Honestly the one that's recurred most for me is Papal numbering: I've had to maintain a list behind the scenes.)

Simple question here: Would y'all be interested in a Moonlight wiki of some kind?

ohmygodyes

 

[Planet of Hats]

ohmygodyes

True facts: I got the idea from Canadian Power's wiki, though I know Reds! also has a wiki.

 

[Gentleman Johnny]

True facts: I got the idea from Canadian Power's wiki, though I know Reds! also has a wiki.

Please let us know if you do this. I would LOVE to see this and explore it. This is one of my favorite TLs on this site and hands down my favorite ongoing TL.