Is this TL a good start?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • Perhaps?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
I don't want sound crazy but the best person would be Berlusconi himself.
Berlusconi was an excellent politician and a statesman.

In 1994 he won but did not govern because after 6 months the League betrayed the agreement and the technical government of Dini arrived and then the leftist government that gave us the euro.

In 2001, on the eve of the crisis and subsequent World War caused by the attacks of September 11, Berlusconi was re-elected. The majority contains treacherous and unstable elements: Casini, Fini, Bossi. However it goes on for 5 years, the first time in the Republic. Istat says that over a million and a half jobs have been created in the five-year period, the deficit is reduced, the economy is growing despite the euro and the global wars and the financial crisis, in Italy high-speed trains and a variant of the pass are built and a huge number of other minor works (4th Milan-Bergamo lane, passing through Mestre for example). Italy is recognized at the US Congress as one of the 3 most solid and reliable partners and allies (two other Canada and the United Kingdom) with an ovation to Berlusconi that only Lech Walesa had previously had. Foreign investments in Italy are flying high.

In 2006 Prodi was elected with very little margin. During less than two years of agony that will bring and want to cancel 5 years of reforms made by Berlusconi. Another legacy that remains of Prodi is the disaster of the management of the Col Fiorito earthquake in Umbria

2008 wins Berlusconi. World recession erupts in 2007. Aquila earthquake in 2008. European central bank run by geniuses raises rates and crisis extends endlessly to Europe, worst recession since 1929 run by clueless idiots and with Obama in USA incapable of everything. Italy in 2011, before the coup d'etat orchestrated by France and Germany using Napolitano and the European organs, grew by over 1% and overcame the crisis. Monti enters and recession and depression arrive until 2017.


If you really want to have newer face that person would be Gianfranco Fini. He practically was a younger and less radical Berlusconi and was more open to dialog with the left. If the House of Freedoms win the election, Fini would have almost certenainly been nominated as President and would have almost certeinly won. If you want a more cente-right person to win that would have been Casini. However that is very unlikely because he wasn't very liked neither in right or in the left.

You can also have Berlusconi being nominated as president with Fini as Prime Minister (IMO best option)

You need to absolutely avoid Monti and if you can Napolitano to have more stable politics and less interference from the EU. You also have to take into account that in TTL his (Berlusconi )popularity would have been highter because of no war with Iraq, no bombing of Lybia, less immigration amd a more friendly Russia (Berlusconi is a personal friend of Putin in OTL).

It isn't related but if the house of freedoms wins can we have the yes winnig in the 2011 nuclear referendum. I have allways like nuclear energy and it would also help to bring down energy prices. I also think that in this TL the South Stream pipeline would have been built.


And that the end. Sorry if it is too long
Thanks for the info! It is pretty valuable, like i said, Med politics isn't really my strong suit.
 
The Turin-Lyon high-speed railway and the MOSE would also have likely been completed. As for 5th generation fighters I think that the F-35 program would have been continued and the Tempest would not have been bought so quickly. But one thing that would have been done for sure if he was elected would have been the Ariete MK.2 ;)
 
What about Bulgarian monarchy? Isn't he become Bulgarian PM not too long ago in OTL
Simeon too much of an idiot to gain support. Bulgaria did not have monarchism as a serious movement after 1998. May be slightly stronger ITTL due to the so called purple revolutions, but in no way strong to gain plurality. Bulgaria is going to remain a republic for the forseeable future.
 
Last but not least the winged elefant in the room: Alitalia. You could have thee things happening:
A) it is sold to Air France-KLM like it almost was in OTL
B) It is sold to Aeroflot but that would not have been a clean cut beacuse Air France-KLM allready had about 40%. ( Most likely in this scenario)
C) The all-italian privatization goes haed better(no Fenice plan) and then the company enter in an alliance with either Air France-KLM, Lufthansa, Aeroflot or Etihad airways.
 
Last but not least the winged elefant in the room: Alitalia. You could have thee things happening:
A) it is sold to Air France-KLM like it almost was in OTL
B) It is sold to Aeroflot but that would not have been a clean cut beacuse Air France-KLM allready had about 40%. ( Most likely in this scenario)
C) The all-italian privatization goes haed better(no Fenice plan) and then the company enter in an alliance with either Air France-KLM, Lufthansa, Aeroflot or Etihad airways.
Hm, we will see.
 
Simeon too much of an idiot to gain support. Bulgaria did not have monarchism as a serious movement after 1998. May be slightly stronger ITTL due to the so called purple revolutions, but in no way strong to gain plurality. Bulgaria is going to remain a republic for the forseeable future.
He seems to be received warmly by the Bulgarian when he return and when he elected as PM
 
Nah, the name itself is Tempest, but it's actually the OTL BAE Replica which was an actual project just understaffed and underpaid that fizzled out. The name's changed ITTL.

Dassault was also studying FACE (Future Avion de Combat Europeén) since the 1990s and there was the whole Neuron project. Then you also have the Swedish who were also playing, probably still do with 5th generation designs. That said 2007 for entry into service IS probably too early. Replica was supposed to be replacing Tornados by about 2017. And Dassault gave BAe design leadership when they had their own designs to play with? This is Dassault and France we are talking about. If the the options are giving someone else design leadership or paying up for the whole thing we know what they are going to be choosing... and it's paying up for the whole thing.

Also JSF was already underway in 2007 the first studies were in the early 1990s. Why do the Yanks need another one? TTL it possibly does not have an VTOL version if Lockheed has not bought Yakovlev's technology up but still will be around in one form or another.
 

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I wonder how will this Russia fare out when the equivalent to the stock market crisis of 2008 happens.
 
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Chapter 30: Space and the End of a War and the Beginning of Tensions
Chapter 30: Space and the End of a War and the Beginning of Tensions

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New York Tribunal:

The Eurasian Union State Establishes the Union State Astronomical Research Center (USARC) as Direct competitor to NASA!

March 3rd, 2006

After months of hints and construction, the Eurasian Union State headed by the Czardom of Russia, and it’s constituent Central Asian states have announced the creation and establishment of the Union State Astronomical Research Center or as it is known in short – USARC (pronounced ‘us’ ‘arc’). The Russian Chancellor, Grigory Yavlinsky has stated that the USARC was established with the following objectives:-

  • To create a competitor to NASA in the international Space research capabilities.
  • To extend the extent of space research and exploration throughout the world.
  • To create a job opportunity for space researchers in Eastern and Central Europe.
  • To create innovative new ways for space research.
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Union State Secretary Kassym-Jomart Tokayev

The Union State Secretary, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, has stated that the USARC will aid the researchers of Eurasia who wish to find an alternative to NASA. He has also stated that this will provide a new leap forward for the space exploration going on during this time. He has also finally stated that despite the ‘rivalry’ that may develop between NASA and USARC, he believes that cooperation between the two will be possible. He has stated:

USARC and NASA may be able to compete with one another in a friendly sense, but make no mistake, both USARC and NASA shall be allies when it comes to space exploration. Resources we may not have shall be present in NASA, and the resources NASA may not have will be present with us. Using this, and with mutual respect with one another, I hope that USARC and NASA will be able to compete and work together.”

The current polity of NASA has also issued a statement of congratulations, and has stated that they would be more than willing to cooperate with USARC together for space exploration.

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USARC station in Kazakhstan.

The USARC has been frankly a very expensive project. And the total amount of money that has been funneled into the establishment has been made classified by the Russia, Kazakh, Turkmen, Uzbek, Kyrgyz and Tajik governments. We also have reason to believe, that despite the name and the establishment being for the Eurasian Union State only, CSTO countries like Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Iran are also involved in USARC without being a part of the Eurasian Union State. Some have even levelled some amount of accusations at Estonia stating that the Estonian government was also working with USARC. The Estonian government has responded by stating that private researchers from Estonia were working in USARC, however the government has no hand in it. Nonetheless, despite this monumental day for space development and space exploration, tensions simmer in the Baltics as Lithuania and Latvia use this as an excuse to launch tirades and rage against their northern most Baltic state.

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African News:

Front for United Democracy Takes Control of Chad! Former Dictator Idris Deby Imprisoned! Chadian Civil War Over! New Government gives France a week long deadline to leave the country with its armed forces!

March 10th, 2006

Mahmat Nour Abdelkerim and the Front for United Democracy have taken control of the Chadian capital and the entirety of the country of Chad itself as the French forces have been pushed to the brink in the country. As French forces are stuck on the Malian border, and the new government has installed itself in the country. True to their initial demands, Abdelkerim has stated that the interim government would only last for 6 months, by the end of which, a democratic election would take place to see which party or faction within the Front would take power, as per the decision of the Chadian people. With most of the Chadian people sympathetic with Abdelkerim, his power base continues to become consolidated as Abdlekerim changed the constitution unilaterally which now gives equal rights to the Muslims of Chad in the north, and the Christians of Chad to the south. Under Delby, Christians had been favored. Nonetheless, secular Christians and the normal Chadian are now supporting Abdelkerim and his interim government.

French troops are still present on the Malian border area, and Abdelkerim has given the order to Paris ordering French troops to retreat from Chad by the end of the week or ‘face the consequences’. Abdlekerim has also lambasted the French government stating that:

“This civil war was an internal issue of our own. France’s neocolonialism and hold over our country shall not be tolerated under any circumstance. Please leave our country in peace. If we want you, we will ask kindly in the future. But as of right now, we don’t want you.”

France on the other hand has refused to recognize the new government in Chad and conspiracy theories suggest that France may seek an invasion of Chad itself and restore the former Status Quo. Nonetheless, the Russian government has also started that they shall not accept an invasion of Chad at any level, and has stated that they stand with the Chadian government. Any invasion of Chad would mean ‘severe’ consequences according to the Russian Foreign Minister.

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French troops in the border of Chad.

Nonetheless, from what we can understand, France is already starting to withdraw their troops from Chad and has instead diverted their attention to consolidate their hold in Mali, where they fear Russia intervention as well, even though Russia has given no inclination of doing as such. French president Chirac has given a speech in Paris denouncing the ‘Russian Intervention’ in Chad, and has stated that the Parisian and French peoples would not be participating in Eurovision 2006 which is going to be held in St. Petersburg and Moscow later this year.

Russia has basically shrugged diplomatically with the Russian Minister of Culture stating that:

a highly sad move on part of Paris, however something that I must admit was expected from the higher-ups of the government. What France does is of no consequence however, as other countries have shown no leaning to committing themselves against the contest being held in our lands”

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Euro News:

Russia and Several European Nations sign 7 point Economical Trade Deal with one another. France boycotts!

March 31st, 2006

The Russian government and several European nations have announced a seven point economic and trade deal with one another, amidst the French withdrawal from Chad. The governments of Russia, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece and Austria have signed this deal yesterday evening in Helsinki. This economic deal, which has been named the ‘Russo-European Economic Deal’ consists of the following points:-

  • The creation of a new pipe line consisting of oil and natural gases from Russia into Central Europe.
  • Lowered trade tariffs between Russia and the European countries who have signed the deal.
  • The creation of a new scholarship program for Russian students and European students in Russia.
  • Creation of new fixed marketing deals with Russia.
  • The exchange of new technologies with one another.
  • The affirming of research ties between the Space agencies of the following nations with the Russian sector of USARC.
  • The creation of the Euro as a reserve currency in Russia and the creation of the Eurasian Ruble as a reserve currency in these countries.
The International Monetary Fund and many economists have stated that this deal will be revolutionary in the sense that it will remove the French and British dominations of many sectors of the European economies, and will allow Germany and the subsequent nations who have signed this deal to diversify their economy as well. Britain itself has expressed views of wanting to join this deal, to which Chancellor Yavlinsky has been amenable to, stating that further negotiations were open to any country within the European Union. The government of France however, unlike their historical rival across the Channel, has stated their displeasure at the deal, and has boycotted the deal, stating that they shall not sign the deal, and will be looking into diversifying their own economy to meet the ‘Russian economic threat’.

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The signing of the deal.

Quite on the contrary to what France wishes for however, both Spain and Portugal have announced their displeasure that France wouldn’t join the deal, which in turn puts around half of the deal off the table for the Iberian nations. Italy has also stated that they would be willing to negotiate with Russia for a similar deal. Both Spain and Portugal, with Portugal’s age old ally Britain are currently in the process of negotiating a similar deal with Russia, and the current obstinate French position with the deal has made the Iberian situation kind of tense, nonetheless, the Russian government has announced their pleasure of working with Madrid, London and Lisbon.

Currently, the Spanish government has around $120 Billion in stake in Russia, and the Russian government has also pledged an investment deal of around $150 Billion in Iberia, which both Portugal and Spain have welcomed wholeheartedly, much to the added displeasure of France.

In Eastern Europe, the governments of the former Warsaw Pact have announced their immense displeasure at the deal and have sided with France diplomatically, but nonetheless, a few countries like Romania, have stated their willingness to negotiate a deal as well.

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Euro News:

Silvio Berlusconi Wins the Italian General Elections once again!

April 12th, 2006

The current Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi and his alliance in the Italian Chamber of Deputies, the so called House of Freedoms has won the Italian General Elections with a close margin. The Union Alliance led by Romano Prodi managed to gain 49.6% of the votes, whilst the House of Freedoms won 49.8% of the votes in what became a close call between the two opposing alliances in the Italian Chamber of Deputies. The end result in the Chamber of Deputies was:-

Forza Italia: 220 seats

National Alliance: 59 seats

Union of Christian and Center Democrats: 32 seats

Northern League – MpA: 26 seats

Christian Democracy – Socialist Party: 4 seats

The Olive Tree (DS-DL): 137 seats

Communist Refoundation (PRC): 71 seats

Federation of the Greens (FdV): 15 seats

Party of Italian Communists: 16 seats

Rose in the Fist: 18 seats

Italy of Values: 16 seats

Union of Democrats for Europe: 10 seats

South Tyrolean People’s Party: 6 seats

The House of Freedoms have announced that Berlusconi would be running for President in Italy, whilst a new face in Italian politics, and one that has gained the trust of the Italian peoples in recent times, Gianfranco Fini would be Prime Minister of Italy. Interesting times await the Italian peninsula as the Italian presidential elections come forward…..

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Gianfranco Fini.

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Silvio Berlusconi.

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Shanghai Morning Tribune:

Czarina Maria I in Beijing!

April 22nd, 2006

The Russian Monarch alongside the entourage of the Russian government conducted itself in a high level state visit with one another as major heads of states such as Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala of the Nepalese Kingdom, recently having won their civil war, Nambaryn Enkjbayar of Mongolia, Junichiro Koizumi of Japan, Roh Moo-hyun of South Korea, Choe Thae-Bok of North Korea, Trần Đức Lương of Vietnam have all convened in the Forbidden City to discuss high level talks with one another. The Czarina of Russia, and our magnificent Civil Servant Jin Yuzhang, the head of the Aisin Goro family, the former ruling dynasty of China opened the proceedings as the head of states began negotiating with one another.

The Beijing Summit is being held to encourage economic ties with one another and around 3 deals were reached during the Beijing Summit. In particular, the deals reached by the Russian government are:-

  • The creation of a new scholarship deal with the countries of Vietnam, Nepal and South Korea.
  • The possible diffusion of tensions in North and South Korea via diplomatic exchanges with one another.
  • The creation of a new pipeline from Kazakhstan to Sinkiang into Tibet and Northern Nepal.
  • Technology transfer of company royalties between Russia and Japan.
The new deals are said to increase Sino-Russian influence in the aforementioned states, nonetheless, the plan is said to be one which will be extremely fruitful in the future and the coming days.

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