Um, I hate to break it to ya, but this thread is for actual political proposals that never went through.
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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I have literally zero maps but most of these empires proposed different map changes and political aims.
It's fascinating to look through old maps and see the less-charted areas of the world slowly get filled in, and also what they thought or only imagined they should be filled in with.
If you don't mind, I'll put some translations down:
1st Image - 9 States
Blue - Hokkaido
Cream - Tohoku
Grey-Blue - North Kanto-Shin'etsu
Green - South Kanto
Orange - Chubu
Grey-Green - Kansai/Kinki
Yellow - Shikoku-Chugoku
Red - Kyushu
Grey (inset) - Okinawa
2nd Image - 11 States
Blue - Hokkaido
Cream - Tohoku
Grey-Blue - North Kanto
Green - South Kanto
Dark Green - Hokuriku
Orange - Tokai
Grey-Green - Kansai/Kinki
Yellow - Chugoku
Beige - Shikoku
Red - Kyushu
Grey (inset) - Okinawa
3rd Image - 13 States
Blue - Hokkaido
Cream - North Tohoku
Grey-Blue - South Tohoku
Orange - North Kanto
Green - South Kanto
Dark Green - Hokuriku
Cyan - Tokai
Grey-Green - Kansai/Kinki
Yellow - Chugoku
Beige - Shikoku
Red - North Kyushu
Dark Blue - South Kyushu
Grey (inset) - Okinawa
This is literally impossible. Sun didn't even have a unified political party in 1916, and had been discredited as a politician, and his influence played absolutely no role in the National Protection War.
Oh; because his death is inevitable I'm pretty sure. When was the point where he handed the presidency and had to retreat while the new president delcared himself emperor?
In 1912 Provisional President Sun Yat-sen handed over power to Yuan Shikai, an ex-Qing general who possessed the military capability to crush Sun's revolution. Yuan then worked against the development of democracy in China, and after this became unacceptable, Sun Yat-sen pushed for anti-Yuan military units to overthrow him, an effort that was defeated in a three-month civil war. Sun was discredited as a politician. Yuan then moved to establish complete control of the Chinese military and government, culminating in him declaring himself emperor. Because he had not secured total military control, a rebellion with no connection to Sun Yat-sen broke out in the south (most of whose commanders had fought on Yuan's side in the second revolution), which Yuan was unable to suppress, and under immense pressure from his generals he restored the republic. He then died, and his army broke up. His successors attempted to regain the level of power Yuan had held, but in doing so Duan Qirui violated the constitution, which Sun seized upon to set up a rival governmnent in the south. Sun didn't have much support from either the populace or the warlords who propped up his government because they hated Duan Qirui, and it took him many failed attempts, and abandoning his democratic convictions to become a Lenin-style military dictator and allying with the Soviet Union, to establish a secure base area. He then died of cancer.
Ah; I see. I had always assumed that if he had won or held power in China. We'd be seeing quite a different china; a different war with japan. Maybe quicker consolidation or the change in the fate of tibet?
Map of a sort of Greater Eritrea demand i’ve found randomly while surfing Google Images. It seems to be connected with a far-right Christian nationalist movement active in Eritrea and the Tigray region...
Was it also to include parts of northern Afar region with the areas close to Djibouti roughly running along north of the Awash River, akin to the Eritrea governorate of Italian East Africa?
Also wonder if this version of ATL Eritrea would have a similar potential for Italian/European colonization as others on AH believe OTL Italian Eritrea had in other circumstances?
Over 2 years ago, I posted this map.
I've since found that u/girthynarwhal on the MapPorn subreddit recreated it using a modern and accurate basemap.
From John Cartwright's American Independence: The Interest and Glory of Great-Britain, 1775
Hmmm. Seems they renamed St. John Island, restored Delaware to independence and... something with the borders of Florida. These maps are a good example of what a difference old, incorrect cartography has in borders.Over 2 years ago, I posted this map.
I've since found that u/girthynarwhal on the MapPorn subreddit recreated it using a modern and accurate basemap.
Yeah... as I recall, the use of the Disturnell Map in the treaty negotiations for Guadalupe-Hidalgo caused all sorts of fits in determining the boundary between the Rio Grande and the Gila River back in 1848...
Some of the colony/district/whatever-they-planned-to-call-them names on this proposal are pretty intriguing...Over 2 years ago, I posted this map.
I've since found that u/girthynarwhal on the MapPorn subreddit recreated it using a modern and accurate basemap.
I'm also reminded of the Toledo War caused by the Mitchell Map.
Which ones in particular?
From the original book that the map was for, they would have been states as part of the British Confederacy, in which Great Britain (not yet united with Ireland) would have been first among equals.
Well, I get that most of the names for the "new states" are based on Indian Tribes, and on natural features (esp lakes and rivers), but there's a couple that are throwing me... "Wauwautania" and "Puania" for example
Generations of schoolchildren who have difficulty in spelling are grateful that this proposal never came to pass!