Absolutely correctThat is, if Yorkists even get custody of him.
Absolutely correctThat is, if Yorkists even get custody of him.
Absolutely correct
The details of this TL are flopping around a lot.That's why I doubt that it'd be the case, Anne was taken prisoner by Clarence, so in order to save her child's (if male) life, she might have struck a deal with him - she'd renounce every claim to Neville estates, he'd help her and her child reach safety.
The details of this TL are flopping around a lot.
Does Anne Neville come to England or Does she stay in France?
Is her child a boy or a girl?
And most importantly,since the butterflies are hella slow, would that mean that Westminster could survive Tewkesbury (OK, this one has remained consistent,he dies, but him living,Neville birthing a girl,and Henry being boinked off would make a MUCH more interesting TL.)
As in dead.Boinked off? And if EoW lives, he might have married elsewhere.
As in dead.
EoW might wait for EoY, if he's smart.
Dude. What is your end goal here?I don't think that he'd even get her.
She is in sanctuary with her mother, sisters and infant brother and Elizabeth Woodville‘s family was LancastrianI don't think that he'd even get her.
Dude. What is your end goal here?
Would be pretty Yorkist now, wouldn't it?Elizabeth Woodville‘s family was Lancastrian
Ahh so a Lancastrian ending(originally).When I wrote the first post, my vision was like this - Anne Neville gives birth to a baby boy, EIV dies like OTL, Richard usurps EV, Lancastrian boy is set to marry EoY, and he more or less replaces Henry Tudor.
And what's your goal now?
Kellan Sullivan's signature then?The most likely vision is - Anne Neville gives birth to a girl, she is set to marry EV, EV is not usurped.
Kellan Sullivan's signature then?
Noice
That's literally the best ending a Yorkist could imagine.Something similar, yeah.
That's literally the best ending a Yorkist could imagine.
Also, do you intend to make a TL outta this?
KNo, not really, I intend to post a TL here, but it'd be mainly concetrated on Eastern Europe (altough WOTR will be also affected by butterflies).
Yes they would be, but I doubt they would be against to return to their origins if Edward IV died and Lanacstrian’s offer was generous enough (specially if OTL Edward V is born as girl or do not survive)Would be pretty Yorkist now, wouldn't it?
The Woodville's owe their position, power at court, everything to the Yorkists, an Ed5 born female would be supported by them.(So would Elizabeth of York, since she's higher in succession)Yes they would be, but I doubt they would be against to return to their origins if Edward IV died and Lanacstrian’s offer was generous enough (specially if OTL Edward V is born as girl or do not survive)
Absolutely WRONG. The Woodvilles had a good enough standing also in the Lancastrian court, specially Jacquetta of Bedford and they are unlikely to say no to Marguerite if she offer a match between Elizabeth, Countess of March and Edward of Westminster. And Marguerite is very likely to offer such match as that would eliminate forever the Yorkist danger. In OTL Elizabeth Woodville accepted who her daughter would be Henry Tudor’s Queen consort (I doubt she had any illusions about the result of the Tudor match) and here in similar circumstances she would not accept a similar place when the dangers for her young daughters is bigger?The Woodville's owe their position, power at court, everything to the Yorkists, an Ed5 born female would be supported by them.(So would Elizabeth of York, since she's higher in succession)
Absolutely WRONG. The Woodvilles had a good enough standing also in the Lancastrian court, specially Jacquetta of Bedford and they are unlikely to say no to Marguerite if she offer a match between Elizabeth, Countess of March and Edward of Westminster. And Marguerite is very likely to offer such match as that would eliminate forever the Yorkist danger. In OTL Elizabeth Woodville accepted who her daughter would be Henry Tudor’s Queen consort (I doubt she had any illusions about the result of the Tudor match) and here in similar circumstances she would not accept a similar place when the dangers for her young daughters is bigger?