YesWill the division still be the 10th in this TL?
YesWill the division still be the 10th in this TL?
YesNow correct me if I'm wrong but in this TL the Germans are still occupying France?
And there are 21 Alpine Passes between Italy and France, I imagine that the 10th Army has plenty of alternative supply routes and options for a line of retreat.
Given only one of those seems to have a railway , logistically 20 of em don't count much. Doing WW2 logistics without rail or sea is not a happy place to be. Add in the air situation and plenty is not really accurate, they are just chock points to get eaten up in.Now correct me if I'm wrong but in this TL the Germans are still occupying France?
And there are 21 Alpine Passes between Italy and France, I imagine that the 10th Army has plenty of alternative supply routes and options for a line of retreat.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but in this TL the Germans are still occupying France?
And there are 21 Alpine Passes between Italy and France, I imagine that the 10th Army has plenty of alternative supply routes and options for a line of retreat.
b. Terrain effects.Given only one of those seems to have a railway , logistically 20 of em don't count much. Doing WW2 logistics without rail or sea is not a happy place to be. Add in the air situation and plenty is not really accurate, they are just chock points to get eaten up in.
c. We are discussing that knock out the railroad problem in another thread. The thread is here.) But the gist for this situation is that "Un Tallboy nel Fréjus e il problema di trasporto diventa un po 'appiccicoso nel derriere" (One Tallboy in the Fréjus and the transportation problem becomes a bit sticky in the derriere.)Railroads are not too hard to damage, but can be rather hard to really cripple unless you can take down a major bridge, or better yet, collapse a tunnel.
c. We are discussing that knock out the railroad problem in another thread. The thread is here.) But the gist for this situation is that "Un Tallboy nel Fréjus e il problema di trasporto diventa un po 'appiccicoso nel derriere" (One Tallboy in the Fréjus and the transportation problem becomes a bit sticky in the derriere.)
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BTW another reason for that tank battle at Alessandro. SPLIT the German front, there.
Seeing that Tallboys weren't drop OTL nor TTL until June 1944, counting on November/December 1943 Tallboy attacks to destroy the 10th Army's logistics is not currently feasible.
AN-Mk1 | Heavily armored warships | 1600 lb (726kg) | 209 lb (95 kg) Explosive D | Introduced May 1942. Capable of penetrating 5" (127mm) deck armor from a 4500' (1370m) in a 300 knot 60 degree dive. Too heavy for delivery by naval aircraft other than the TBF Avenger or SB2C Helldiver. Typical carrier loadout rarely exceeded 20 bombs. |
Batavia, Java November 30, 1943
snip the liberation of the seven provinces.
c. We are discussing that knock out the railroad problem in another thread. The thread is here.) But the gist for this situation is that "Un Tallboy nel Fréjus e il problema di trasporto diventa un po 'appiccicoso nel derriere" (One Tallboy in the Fréjus and the transportation problem becomes a bit sticky in the derriere.)
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two thirds combat veterans of "the war" against JapanBatavia, Java November 30, 1943
The cruisers Jacob van Heemskerk and HMAS Canberra, along with four destroyers waited for the troop ships to exit the harbor. 35,000 Dutch soldiers, two thirds combat veterans of against Japan, and the rest new recruits, were heading back to England. They would form a heavily reinforced division that would eventually be part of the liberation of the home provinces.
It could probably be attempted with the 12,000lb Cookie, but they appear to have been less effective when used on specific targets, Operation Garlic was a bit of a flop. Although dropping them en masse could be tried?
35k troops is a helluva reinforced division.
Yes, I tried to find the maximum size of 2NZEF, to give an example of the in-theatre support behind a deployed division. They had training, hospitals, replacement pool (of varying size at different times) etc.The Overlord divisional slice reached up to about 35,000 troops, so this would give the Dutch a division and a good assortment of CS and CSS units to start rebuilding their army.
It could probably be attempted with the 12,000lb Cookie, but they appear to have been less effective when used on specific targets, Operation Garlic was a bit of a flop. Although dropping them en masse could be tried?
In extremis it might however be possible to re-open the Fell Railway over the Mont Cenis Pass.
Some of the rolling stock still exists to this day.