That process of unification between England and Scotland would've been quicker without the French backing the Scots and one achieved through domination. The Kingdom of Scotland would no longer be distinct within the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Or not. The Burgundian state and other littorals of the German Sea would be interested to support any British rebels against this dual monarchy.
Why would the British rebel? The English populace and nobility never rebelled whenever the English kings were lords over the majority of the Western Frankish kingdom. Why now rebel, especially when they now have free access to the vast resources of France and the king of England likely shifts to continental issues and thus gives English nobles a free hand in the Isles.
They were talking about the Scots I think. Its possible that the Scots would receive support from the HRE but it probably wouldn't be as extensive nor overpower a combined Anglo-French effort to unite the British Isles.
They were talking about the Scots I think. Its possible that the Scots would receive support from the HRE but it probably wouldn't be as extensive nor overpower a combined Anglo-French effort to unite the British Isles.
Couldn't English become to French what Norman was to English? IIRC there were already English settlers on Normandy, maybe they could influence a bit? Sure it probably wouldn't matter since France had a much bigger population than England, but you still have to consider that Henry V used propaganda saying that the French would destroy the English language, people could still hold to that idea, if French becomes the main language these people could rebel. What I think would happen is France would dominate the Union, but French would have a lot of influence from English and vice-versa, English could give gender to nouns and French could have a different counting system for example, the lands with coast on the English Channel would probably see much more intermingling of the languages. By the time of the Age of Nationalism there could have an "Angevin" or "Anglois" identity, a good King could make the nation stay together, difficult but possible.
Yeah, but since the Industrial Revolution would come close to the Age of Nationalism it could even work in the union's favor. As for proto-nationalism, there would be revolts but I think they would be put down. Another interesting thing would be religion, since the English won because Henry V lived longer the War of the Roses would be butterflied away, no Henry VIII makes things difficult for a Protestant Union. I think there would be religious equality at the start of the 17th century, in France there was in OTL so it isn't a stretch.I like this idea, though I think the 'Anglois/Angevin' identity would be limited to the major cities and mostly class based as well. The more urban and/or high ranked you are, the more likely it is that you would identify as Anglois, while the more rural and/or low ranked you are would see the regional identities be used.
It would see the peasant revolts of the era perhaps take a more 'regional'/'proto-nationalist' flavor rather than a religious one.
Yeah, but since the Industrial Revolution would come close to the Age of Nationalism it could even work in the union's favor. As for proto-nationalism, there would be revolts but I think they would be put down. Another interesting thing would be religion, since the English won because Henry V lived longer the War of the Roses would be butterflied away, no Henry VIII makes things difficult for a Protestant Union. I think there would be religious equality at the start of the 17th century, in France there was in OTL so it isn't a stretch.
Ah, sorry. I think Protestantism will happen since what caused it didn't change, the union could see civil wars but it would only be destroyed if the division is between England/ the British isles and France, which isn't likely to happen because Henry VIII was the one who converted England and there were still Catholics even after his death, though if the French still despise the English it probably will.I was thinking about the middle ages in that post, I think if/when Protestantism happens and spreads that the personal union will basically rip itself apart.
Why would the British rebel? The English populace and nobility never rebelled whenever the English kings were lords over the majority of the Western Frankish kingdom. Why now rebel, especially when they now have free access to the vast resources of France and the king of England likely shifts to continental issues and thus gives English nobles a free hand in the Isles.
I think that should be noted that in this scenario aside that would be probably that the new kingdom would become in the hegenomic power in Italy....
Are we talking English kings enforcing their claims to the French throne? Then it would be quite hard indeed in first place : it's, granted, not impossible as a realistic PoD (the only I can think of, tough) would be Henry V living on, while Charles VII and his son would timely dying at Bourges. It would make Henry the sole clear successor, as Louis d'Orléans (the next-in-line for what mattered loyalists), would have been hostage in England). It would make the Armagnac and Armagnac-sided nobility and elites, while holding a significant power and virtual independence south of Loire, headless and IMO acknowledging Lancaster's suzerainty as long it remains relatively symbolic.
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TL;DR
It was possible, with a narrow window of opportunity in the 1420/1430's that Henry V could have benefitted from. It would have led to a French dominated-union (altough gradually so, and no without big political infighting) with a southern France possibly largely autonomous at first in a first time.
There appears to be a misconception here. The Plantagenets were scions of the Elder House of Anjou. Naples and Hungary were ruled by the Capetian House of Anjou. Totally unrelated genealogically.Expect Sicily and Hungary to be on friendly terms with the Union as fellow Angevin States. Also expect them to be sources of conflict with regional rivals though. Expect allies in the ERE or the Turks as well, maybe Russia and either Denmark or Sweden.