List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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Maybe...but if charles still tries to pull some of his other stuff from OTL (ship money, book of common prayer in scotland, etc.) then I can't see things being too much better.
Hmm tbis is true, and of course there’d no guarantee that he’d listen to Sophie if she told him she thinks he should take a Middle course
 
TL idea — ALT William & Mary: Edmund, Duke of Somerset survives infancy and has issue.

Edmund, Duke of York (21 February 1499—4 December 1523), married Lady Margaret Courtenay (b. 1499, d. 1526) in 1517.

1) Henry, Earl of Pembroke (b. 1517, d. 1518)

2) Arthur, Earl of Pembroke (b. 1519, d. 1519)

3) William III, King of England (b. 1520), married Mary I, Queen of England in 1538.

1) Catherine, Princess of England (b. 1539)​

2) Edmund, Prince of Wales (b. 1541)​

3) Margaret, Princess of England (b. 1543, d. 1544)​

4) William, Duke of York (b. 1546)​

5) Elizabeth, Princess of England (b. 1549)​

6) George, Duke of Somerset (b. 1552, d. 1554)​


NOTES: Edmund dies in 1523, aged 24 and is succeeded by his only surviving son. William loses his mother three years later in 1526 and becames a ward of the Crown. He is betrothed to his cousin and childhood companion Mary from 1525 until 1533, the betrothal is broken after the former princess is declared a bastard.

William, having been Henry's heir presumptive for most of his reign, is eyed with some suspicion by the Boleyns and their allies. He leaves court in early 1534 and retires to his estates.

He is summoned back in 1536, shortly after Anne's execution, once again in the King's favour. Mary herself is reconciled with her father around 1537, and the betrothal is reinstated, the couple marries in 1538.
 
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Charlotte of Wales is born a boy (named Charles ITTL) and marries a surviving Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna, older daughter of Tsar Alexander and Elizabeth Alexeievna. This is a preliminary list of their offspring, not including marriages. I'm thinking that either Elizabeth or Charlotte will be Queen of the Netherlands, while George will marry Sophie of Württemburg. Mary or Sophia might wind up with a son of Louis Philippe.


Charles III, King of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, and Ireland (Charles Augustus; b. 1796, d. 1864) m. Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna Romanova (b. 1799, d. 1869) in 1815, had issue
1) Elizabeth of the United Kingdom (Elizabeth Caroline; b. 1816)​
2) Charlotte of the United Kingdom (Charlotte Alexandra Mary; b. 1817)​
3) George V, King of the United Kingdom (George Alexander; b. 1819)​
4) Mary of the United Kingdom (Mary Augusta Amelia; b. 1821)​
5) Alexander of the United Kingdom, Duke of Kent (Alexander Frederick Paul; b. 1823, d. 1832)​
6) Sophia of the United Kingdom (Sophia Caroline Matilda; b. 1824)​
7) Charles of the United Kingdom, Duke of Kendal (Charles Edward Augustus; b. 1829)​
An update that nobody asked for.

Charles III, King of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1796, d. ?) m. Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna Romanova (b. 1799, d. ?) in 1814, had issue
1) Elizabeth of the United Kingdom, Princess Royal and Grand Duchess of Baden (b. 1816, d. ?) m. Alexander, Grand Duke of Baden (b. 1816, d. ?) [1] in 1835, had issue​
1) Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden (b. 1837, d. ?) m. Luise of Prussia (b. 1838, d. 1923) in 1857, had issue​
2) Marie of Baden, Princess of Orange (b. 1839, d. ?) m. William of the Netherlands, Prince of Orange (b. 1836, d. 1882) in 1857, had issue​
2) Charlotte of the United Kingdom, Queen of the Netherlands (b. 1817, d. 1878) m. William III, King of the Netherlands (b. 1817, d. 1889) in 1837, had issue​
1) William of the Netherlands, Prince of Orange (b. 1836, d. 1882) m. Marie of Baden (b. 1839) in 1857, had issue​
2) Marie of the Netherlands (b. 1837, d. 1842)​
3) Alexander of the Netherlands (b. 1839, d. 1874)​
4) Anna of the Netherlands, Princess of Prussia (b. 1842, d. ?) m. Albert of Prussia (b. 1837, d. 1906) in 1860, had issue​
5) Maurice of the Netherlands (b. 1846, d. 1852)​
3) George V, King of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1818) m. Sophie of Württemburg (b. 1818) in 1839, had issue​
1) Charles of the United Kingdom, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (b. 1842, d. 1859)​
2) Mary of the United Kingdom, Princess Royal and Princess of the Netherlands (b. 1844, d. ?) m. Henry of the Netherlands (b. 1820, d. ?) [2] in 1873, had no issue​
3) Sophia of the United Kingdom, Queen of Portugal (b. 1846, d. 1919) m. Pedro V, King of Portugal (b. 1837, d. ?) in 1864, had issue​
4) William IV, King of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1852) m. Marie of Saxe-Altenburg (b. 1855) [3] in 1873, had issue​
4) Mary of the United Kingdom, Tsarina Maria Alexeievna (b. 1821) m. Tsar Alexander II of Russia (b. 1818) in 1838, had issue​
1) Alexandra Alexandrovna Romanova (b. 1839, d. 1843)​
2) Tsar Nicholas II of Russia (b. 1841, d. 1919) m. Alexandra of Denmark (later Alexandra Feodorovna; b. 1842) in 1859, had issue​
3) Alexander Alexandrovich Romanov (b. 1843, d. 1896) m. Marie of Hanover (later Maria Georgievna; b. 1849, d. 1904) in 1871, had issue​
4) Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov (b. 1845, d. 1913) m. Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (later Maria Pavlovna; b. 1854, d. ?) in 1872, had issue​
5) Alexei Alexandrovich Romanov (b. 1847, d. 1908)​
6) Maria Alexandrovna Romanova, Duchess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1849) m. Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1841, d. ?) [4] in 1867, had issue​
7) Elizabeth Alexandrovna Romanova, Queen of Wurttemberg (b. 1852, d. ?) m. William II, King of Wurttemberg (b. 1848, d. 1921) [5] in 1871, had issue​
8) George Alexandrovich Romanov (b. 1856) m. Marie of Waldeck-Pyrmont (later Maria Georgievna; b. 1857, d. 1889) in 1877, had issue​
9) Paul Alexandrovich Romanov (b. 1861) m. Alexandra of Greece and Denmark (later Alexandra Georgievna; b. 1870, d. 1892) in 1887, had issue​
5) Alexander of the United Kingdom, Duke of Kendal and Stratearn (b. 1823, d. 1832)​
6) Sophia of the United Kingdom, Duchess of Penthièvre (b. 1825) m. Charles d’Orléans, Duke of Penthièvre (b. 1820) in 1842, had issue​
1) Antoine Philippe d'Orléans, Duke of Penthièvre (b. 1845) m. Antónia of Portugal (b. 1845, d. ?) in 1867, had issue​
2) Marie Amélie d'Orléans, Princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1847) m. Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b. 1844, d. ?) [6] in 1866, had issue​
3) Sophie Églantine d'Orléans (b. 1848, d. 1849)​
4) Louis Alexandre d'Orléans, Prince de Lamballe (b. 1849, d. ?)​
7) Charles of the United Kingdom, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1832, d. ?) m. Feodora of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b. 1834) in 1857, had issue​
1) Charles, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1859, d. 1937) m. Marianne of Prussia (b. 1864, d. 1941) [7] in 1883, had issue​
2) Victor of Cambridge (b. 1862, d. 1863)​
3) Mary of Cambridge (b. 1865, d. 1868)​
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[1] Son of Grand Duke Charles and Stéphanie de Beauharnais, IOTL he did as an infant.
[2] The Princess Royal's search for a husband is rather arduous. She had first hoped to marry the widower King Pedro, but he preferred her younger sister. Other suitors included the future King Umberto of Italy and a number of British lords, but King George and Queen Sophie flatly refused to allow both of their daughters to marry Catholics and Mary refused to marry a British subject. She eventually met the widower Prince Henry while visiting her aunt Charlotte and her cousins in the Netherlands and the two married about a year later.
[3] A rather unimpressive wife for a British king but there is a noticeable lack of truly suitable princesses of age with William. Plus, IOTL Marie seems to have been well received by the Prussian court so I figured she would work well enough.
[4] Ernst III is the eldest son of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and his TTL wife, Marie of Württemberg (b. 1816). Ernst was previously married to Anna of Hesse and by Rhine, but she died of puerperal fever after giving birth to a stillborn daughter.
[5] This match is, of course, arranged by Queen Olga of Württemberg.
[6] Albert is the younger brother of Ernst. Like his great uncle Ferdinand, he converts to Catholicism after his marriage to a Catholic woman.
[7] Daughter of Anna of the Netherlands and Albert of Prussia.
 
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POD: All eight Tudor children live.

King Arthur of England (September 20 1486- April 2 1562) m. Katherine of Aragon (December 16 1485-January 7 1556)
  1. King Alexander of England and Ireland (b. March 3 1505) m. Isabella of Portugal. (a). Anna of Cleves (b).
  2. Princess Katherine (b. December 11 1506). m King Gustav of Sweden.
  3. Prince John, Duke of Bedford (b. August 19 1508). m. Eleonora d'Este
  4. Prince Henry (b. January 1 1509). m. Alice Fitzgerald.
  5. Princess Elizabeth (b. February 23 1510). m. King Henri II of Navarre.
  6. Prince George, Duke of Suffolk (b. November 1 1512). m. Katherine Parr.
  7. Princess Isabel (b. October 31 1513) m. King Christian III of Denmark
  8. Princess Mary (b. February 18 1516). m. King Sigismund of Poland.
  9. Prince Arthur, Duke of Kent (b. August 30 1519). m. Katherine Howard.
Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scots. (November 28 1489- October 16 1541) m. King James VI of Scots. (March 17 1477-September 9 1523).
  1. Prince James Duke of Rothsey (b and d. February 1507).
  2. Princess Margaret (July 15 1508-June 1532) m King Henri of France.
  3. King Arthur of Scots (October 20 1509) m Princess Renee of France (b. 1510).
  4. Prince James, Duke of Ross (April 12 1512) m. Maria of Guise (b. November 22 1515).
  5. Prince Alexander, Earl of Mar (April 30 1514).
Henry Tudor, Duke of York (June 28 1491- January 28 1547 ) m. Marguerite of Angoulême (April 11 1492- December 21 1549).
  1. Henry Tudor, Earl of Nottingham (February 22 1511- July 23 1536) m. Jane Seymour (1508-1537).
  2. Elizabeth Tudor (September 7 1513).
  3. Margaret Tudor (February 18 1516). m. Henry Brandon Viscount of Lisle.
  4. Edward Tudor (June 15 1519-July 6 1533). m. Mary Howard.
  5. Edmund Tudor (b and d. December 25 1520).
  6. Frances Tudor (November 16 1528). m. John De Vere 16th Earl of Oxford.
  7. Charles Tudor (July 7 1530) m. Anne Stafford.
Elizabeth Tudor, Queen and then Queen Mother of France (July 2 1492-September 14 1532). m Louis XII of France (June 27 1462-January 1 1515).
  1. King Henri II of France (b.January 5 1515). m Margaret of Scots (a). Catherine de Medici (b. April 13 1519) (b).
Mary Tudor, Holy Roman Empress. (March 18 1496-June 25 1523) m. Emperor Charles (February 24 1500-September 21 1558).
  1. Infante Felipe (b. March 11 1516-1522).
  2. Infanta Maria(b. July 16 1517).
  3. Infanta Leonor (b. 1519).
  4. Infante Carlos (b. June 23 1523-March 1 1544).
Edward Tudor, Duke of Somerset (1498-1547) m. Elizabeth Somerset.
  1. Edward Tudor, 2nd Duke of Somerset. (b. 1520). m Catherine Carey.
  2. Elizabeth Tudor (b. 1523).
  3. Eleanor Tudor (b. 1529)
Edmund Tudor, Duke of Richmond (February 21 1499--May 19 1536) m. Anne Boleyn (b. 1501).
  1. Mary Tudor (b. April 13 1526).
  2. Arthur Tudor, Earl of Pembroke (b. July 19 1527- June 1528).
  3. Jasper Tudor, 2nd Duke of Richmond (b. January 25 1530).
  4. William Tudor (b. April 6 1531).
  5. Elizabeth Tudor (b. September 9 1533) m. Robert Dudley.
Katherine Tudor, Holy Roman Empress (February 2 1503-Febuary 10 1543) m. Emperor Charles.
  1. Infante Felipe (b. May 21 1527).
  2. Infanta Catalina (b. June 21 1528).
  3. Infante Ferdinaindo (b. November 22 1529).
  4. Infanta Isabel (b. June 29 1534)
  5. Infanta Juanna (b. June 26 1535).
  6. Infante Juan (b. October 19 1537).
 
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Prince John, Duke of Bedford (b. August 19 1508). m. Catherine of Austria.

Edward Tudor, Duke of Somerset (1498-1547) m. Eleanor of Austria (November 1498-1558).
Two of Charles' sister marrying into England and to younger sons is way too ASB, specially considering both of them married kings in OTL. Not happening. The best Edward can do is a local noblewoman, John has a shoot at a minor foreign princess, maybe a French, German or Italian girl.
 
Two of Charles' sister marrying into England and to younger sons is way too ASB, specially considering both of them married kings in OTL. Not happening. The best Edward can do is a local noblewoman, John has a shoot at a minor foreign princess, maybe a French, German or Italian girl.

Elizabeth Somerset and Margaret of Brandenburg then?
 
Elizabeth Somerset and Margaret of Brandenburg then?
Elizabeth of Somerset is good for Edward, for John I would suggest Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1504) or Eleonora d'Este (b. 1515), she's a bit young for him but given he has a brother and three uncles with kids of their own, I'm guessing his dad might not be in a rush to marry him.

Also, how come Katherine and Isabel Tudor be married to Protestants in this timeline? Lastly, Elizabeth in Spanish is Isabel, so Kat has two daughters with the same name.

This sounds like a really fun story by the way.
 
Elizabeth of Somerset is good for Edward, for John I would suggest Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1504) or Eleonora d'Este (b. 1515), she's a bit young for him but given he has a brother and three uncles with kids of their own, I'm guessing his dad might not be in a rush to marry him.

Also, how come Katherine and Isabel Tudor be married to Protestants in this timeline? Lastly, Elizabeth in Spanish is Isabel, so Kat has two daughters with the same name.

This sounds like a really fun story by the way.
Eleonora d'Este actually seems better.

I always like to believe that even without the Great Matter, Luthern would still have been a big thing in England and I think Arthur would have at least accepted it's existence to the point where he was willing to marry his daughters to Protestants. Also having all of his daughters be queens was a plus.

I know that, but I just like the idea of Arthur and Katherine using both names even though they are the variation of the same name.
 
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Question: let's say Alexandra of Denmark was persuaded / forced / your verbage here to allow Princess Victoria of Wales to marry. Who could she conceivably marry? I know Carlos I of Portugal supposedly asked for her hand but I don't see a Catholic marriage for the daughter of the future king flying. Any ideas?
Question: let's say Alexandra of Denmark was persuaded / forced / your verbage here to allow Princess Victoria of Wales to marry. Who could she conceivably marry? I know Carlos I of Portugal supposedly asked for her hand but I don't see a Catholic marriage for the daughter of the future king flying. Any ideas?
There were mary options for Toria. She was reported as engaged to some European princes according to newspapers (not exactly reliable) of her time:
  • Friedrich II, Duke of Anhalt in 1888
  • Viscount Chelsea, heir of the 5th Earl of Cadogan in 1889
    • ** He was also related to Toria sister, Maud
  • Ernest II, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg in 1889
  • King Ferdinand I of Romania in 1890
  • William IV, Grand Duke of Luxembourg in 1892
    • ** In 1888 it was reported that he was interested in Maud
  • Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich of Russia in 1894
    • ** The widowed Grand Duke visited England in 1894 and was related to an English Princess. I never found out if it was Maud or Victoria, but Paul and the Princess in question had different personalities or something
  • Prince George of Greece and Denmark in 1898
Toria also had a flirt with Nicholas II but he fell in love with Alice of Hesse.
In 1896 the Crown Prince of Denmark (later Christian X) proposed to Toria but she refuse. In the same year Prince Max of Baden ask the help of Maria Feodorovna to marry Toria but the Princess of Wales prevented the union.
 
What about a British marriage? Potential husbands:
- Adolphus Cambridge, Duke of Teck later became 1st Marquess of Cambridge (brother of Mary of Teck and son of Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge)
- Henry Fitzalan-Howard, 15th Duke of Norfolk, widowed in 1887.
- Victor Cavendish, 9th Duke of Devonshire
- John Montagu Douglas Scott, 7th Duke of Buccleuch

To name a few potential husband.
The Duke of Norfolk was a Catholic.
There was however the 6th Duke of Bedford (single until 1889) and the 9th Duke of Beaufort who remained single until 1895 (his son, the 10th Duke marry Queen Mary niece, Lady Mary Cambridge).
I always wondered about a friend of the Duke of Clarence, George Holford. He did not have a title, but he was wealthy, handsome, close to the royal famoly and had an interest in common with Toria (gardening).
 
There were mary options for Toria. She was reported as engaged to some European princes according to newspapers (not exactly reliable) of her time:
  • Friedrich II, Duke of Anhalt in 1888
  • Viscount Chelsea, heir of the 5th Earl of Cadogan in 1889
    • ** He was also related to Toria sister, Maud
  • Ernest II, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg in 1889
  • King Ferdinand I of Romania in 1890
  • William IV, Grand Duke of Luxembourg in 1892
    • ** In 1888 it was reported that he was interested in Maud
  • Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich of Russia in 1894
    • ** The widowed Grand Duke visited England in 1894 and was related to an English Princess. I never found out if it was Maud or Victoria, but Paul and the Princess in question had different personalities or something
  • Prince George of Greece and Denmark in 1898
Toria also had a flirt with Nicholas II but he fell in love with Alice of Hesse.
In 1896 the Crown Prince of Denmark (later Christian X) proposed to Toria but she refuse. In the same year Prince Max of Baden ask the help of Maria Feodorovna to marry Toria but the Princess of Wales prevented the union.
I've never heard of any of these possible matches - thank you for giving me such options!

The Duke of Norfolk was a Catholic.
There was however the 6th Duke of Bedford (single until 1889) and the 9th Duke of Beaufort who remained single until 1895 (his son, the 10th Duke marry Queen Mary niece, Lady Mary Cambridge).
I always wondered about a friend of the Duke of Clarence, George Holford. He did not have a title, but he was wealthy, handsome, close to the royal famoly and had an interest in common with Toria (gardening).
I have never heard of George Holford before but now I'm very, very interested. Two of his sisters married earls so it might not be such a stretch to bump him up to an earldom to make him acceptable. I honestly just want Toria to be happy.
 
I have never heard of George Holford before but now I'm very, very interested. Two of his sisters married earls so it might not be such a stretch to bump him up to an earldom to make him acceptable. I honestly just want Toria to be happy.
I absolutely ship her with Holford now, if one can even ‘ship’ dead people 😆
 
only that unlike the OTL War of the Austrian Succession she didn't place her husband as Holy Roman Emperor, she got it

Not gonna happen. Unless there was some sort of change way back when (I'm not even sure how early it would need to be, to be honest, probably with the Carolingians or Ottonians) a woman can't be elected empress for the simple reason that in Germany, Salic Law (the real one, not the French bastardized version of it) applied. And the electors were all male. Which makes it questionable why they would a) elect a woman over her male-line (presumably of age) uncle and b) if there was no other male candidate, why they wouldn't put themselves forward to marry her (since she seems to be single).

Karl IV's uncle was considered to be the unofficial heir due to being the closest male relative of the emperor, he wanted his sister to gain the throne (she was married to said uncle's second son, so it wasn't possible to simply go wait a generation so she could get it) and pulled a Pragmatic Sanction on that by changing the laws of succession to the House of Hapsburg, theorizing that it would de facto mean that she would also get the title of Emperor (as since in 1748 the College of Electors became an entirely cerimonial position, with the election being by law required to go to a Hapsburg). When he kicked the bucket (of a simple cold due to being sickly since birth), said uncle claimed that while it may be true to the Hapsburg Crownlands the decision, he should get the title of Emperor, as well as any territories not contiguous to Austria (ergo, Trier and all those smaller dots around Germany), sparking the civil war as some supported him and others supported her, while many were neutral on the matter.

Not even post-Westphalia with all Ferdinand III (who was a pretty smart cookie as Habsburgs went) legal finangling of grabbing more power for the Habsburgs/emperor by playing the members of the empire off against one another (Brandenburg vs Neuburg; the Palatinate vs Bavaria; etc) did he try to pass a law that required a Habsburg to be elected. France and Sweden tried to insert a clause at Westphalia that the position couldn't be hereditary (i.e. that two members of the same family couldn't be elected in succession) but a clause to create such a succession? The electors would all have to be underage kids to allow it. France would never allow it.
And even if they did manage to make it hereditary somehow, hereditary in the German sense meant "Salic Law". The Landshut War of Succession and Bavarian War of Succession were all fought by parties who had an interest in either maintaining Salic Law. Pragmatic Sanction of OTL was more an attempt to push what was, in effect, a house law through as an imperial law. You know why Karl VI had an issue pushing it through and had to bribe people to accept it? Because the German princes were afraid that if they allowed such a law to pass that their own lands would become inheritable by the female line.
Even the Second Reich established in the 19th century was a boys' club - had Wilhelm II had seven daughters instead of sons, and his son had died without issue? None of those girls could've inherited as Empress Wilhelmine. Instead, the imperial crown would've gone to his brother. Then his brother's sons. If Heinrich had no sons, then the crown would've gone to Wilhelm I's eldest brother's line.

People often think that the College of Electors was the highest body and that the Empire was an absolute monarchy, but there was both a Reichstag (imperial parliament) and a Reichshof (essentially an imperial law court) that would need to register such a law. Since you've kept all the inter-border insanity that was a pre-1800 empire, that means you have nearly 300 votes in the Reichstag that need to agree on registering a law to not only make the position hereditary (de facto) to the Habsburgs but also allow a woman to succeed/rule. And then, since you decided for still more insanity by allowing people such as Tudors/Stuarts (or whatever dynasty is ruling England) and Bourbons (you mentioned the prince de Condé having lands in the empire) to have territories such as Fulda and Condétown, they would also have a seat/vote in the Reichstag, and no doubt control a few more votes/seats. Which means that France/England are going to use their voice in the Reichstag (as France and Sweden did at Westphalia) to sow chaos and oppose the Habsburgs, since a strong empire means one that stops tearing itself apart and can take them on.

Sorry if this sounds snarky, but the empire being made any more hereditary than it was (OTL even the elector of Hannover - who under his "letters patent" creating him elector was obliged to always vote Habsburg didn't in 1741 after Karl VI died) seems implausible under the scenario you posited.
 
Family of Alexander Jagiellon:

Alexander I (1461-1518) Grand Duke of Lithuania 1492, King of Poland 1501, m. a) Helena of Moscow (1476-1501) b) Anna of Brandenburg (1487-1514)

1a) Casimir (1497-1499)

2a) Alexander II (1499-1551) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1518, m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)

3a) Hedwig (1500-1547) m. Stanisław I (1500-1524) Duke of Mazovia

4a) Helena (1501-1562) m. Frederick II (1480-1547) Duke of Legnica

5b) Elizabeth (1505-1511)

6b) Casimir (1507)

7b) Sophia (1511-1576), m. Louis X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut
 
And interesting, would they go for a double Dutch marriage, or does the marriage of Charles Junior occur if he's in exile?
Double Dutch match would be something either desperate or stupid given that match of Mary IOTL was something thought below the rank of the eldest daughter of the King.
Though I imagine that, without a Catholic mother, the next generation of Stuarts will be less inclined to Catholicism. Also, are we sure Anne would be called Princess Royal? IIRC that was a direct importation from France via Henrietta Maria.
This.
 
Family of Alexander Jagiellon:

Alexander I (1461-1518) Grand Duke of Lithuania 1492, King of Poland 1501, m. a) Helena of Moscow (1476-1501) b) Anna of Brandenburg (1487-1514)

1a) Casimir (1497-1499)

2a) Alexander II (1499-1551) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1518, m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)

3a) Hedwig (1500-1547) m. Stanisław I (1500-1524) Duke of Mazovia

4a) Helena (1501-1562) m. Frederick II (1480-1547) Duke of Legnica

5b) Elizabeth (1505-1511)

6b) Casimir (1507)

7b) Sophia (1511-1576), m. Louis X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut
A surviving son of Alexander I AND Helena of Moscow is interesting in a way that his uncle Vasily had epic problems with his divorse IOTL, while at the same time loathed his brothers. So he may well (with condition of conversion) designate his Lithuanian nephew heir to Muscovy - or at least a contender.
 
A surviving son of Alexander I AND Helena of Moscow is interesting in a way that his uncle Vasily had epic problems with his divorse IOTL, while at the same time loathed his brothers. So he may well (with condition of conversion) designate his Lithuanian nephew heir to Muscovy - or at least a contender.
OTOH if Alexander has a son with Helena and still dies in 1506 then there would be a mess in Poland and (especially) Lithuania-in such case Sigismund likely succeede, as his nephew would still be a kid, but Ivan would declare, that his grandson is rightful ruler of Lithuania and that Sigismund is usurper, nice way to start a war.
 
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Double Dutch match would be something either desperate or stupid given that match of Mary IOTL was something thought below the rank of the eldest daughter of the King.

This.
In which case one imagines Charlie would look either for a more prestigious Protestant marriage or look to a catholic?
 
Alexander Jagiellon and his family-second version (Helena survives too and they have more kids, including future ruler of Muscovy):

Alexander I (1461-1518) Grand Duke of Lithuania 1492, King of Poland 1501, m. Helena of Moscow (1476-1541)

1) Casimir (1497-1550) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland, m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)

2) Hedwig (1499-1546) m. Stanisław (1500-1524) Duke of Mazovia

3) Vladislaus (1501-1506)

4) Helena (1504-1560) m. Joachim II (1505-1571) Elector of Brandenburg

5) Elizabeth (1507)

6) Alexander (1509-1569) Grand Duke of Moscow 1533, m. Helena Glinska???

Aleksander Aleksandrowicz Jagiellon is declared heir by his uncle Vasily III under condition that he'd convert to Orthodox faith, being more ambitious that religious he agrees-fact, that he has Orthodox mother helps him, and for Glinska-Mikhail Glinski was his father's close friend, so he may know his niece and fall in love with her and secretly marry her Sigismund Augustus-Barbara Radziwiłł style? I'm not sure how likely it was.
@Valena
 
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