Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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A victory for bad penmanship.
Did they claim all of it to the north? The map examples show a straight line border, which would still take almost half the remaining land,
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Maybe "Arizuma" was the result of a cross between Arizona and Montezuma? I know Montezuma was the proposed name for a state encompassing the entire New Mexico Territory, which at the time still included Arizona, southern Nevada, and southeastern Colorado, yet the Gadsden purchase hadn't yet happened, so modern Arizona south of the Gila River wouldn't have been part of Montezuma
The Mexican government claimed all the way to the Sibun River, the proposal shown on the map was their idea of a compromise
Do you have a source on that? Seems it will be useful for me in the future.
@TunguskaStorm, you don't need to double post - there is an edit button in the bottom-left if you need it
It's on Page 36 of the .pdf.
Belize (British Honduras): Odd Man Out, a Geo-Political Dispute
It's on Page 36 of the .pdf.
Edit: Or did you mean for the proposed map?
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Assuming that the dots are populated areas, it's a bit unusual to put a border through a population centre.
“Population center” would be somewhat less back then. Given the curving the proposed border shows whenever there is a population on both sides of the line, I assume it is partially going by a river boundary at some point, or splitting the communities as best it can without actually slicing specific ones in two. Odd that Nevada, according to this, was apparently claiming parts of California, despite it already being a state.
"Population cluster" might have been a better term perhaps.
I'm eye-balling it admittedly, it looks like it follows the Bear River south from the 42nd Parallel North, crosses the Great Salt Lake, and then follows the western boundary of Salt Lake and Utah counties, and then a meridian line.
I was having a look over the House of Representative bills for 1860 to check as @Iserlohn suggested and found that the eastern border of California was only set that year in
H. R. 706. Also, bills H. R. 707 through 712 have not been digitised, so I couldn't confirm any of those.
Put this on the Worlda after a long bout of frustration, tears, and begging for assistance (thank you so much @XFE owe you my soul for this one)
I doubt it, the Suma were nearly extinct as a distinct people by 1800, having mostly assimilated into surrounding Apache and Mexican Mestizo communities due to epidemics and raids
Doubt the Mormons would like that very much. Would that be Salt Lake City, Jefferson, or Salt Lake City, Nevada?
Edit: Salt Lake City would be placed in Jefferson. Now, another topic. Was splitting Mormon-inhabited areas between Nevada and Jefferson made to diminish the political powers of the Mormons?
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Oh, additionally, the Jefferson Territory:
(the white outline is because it was, at least according to Omniatlas, a semi-independent government)
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(the white outline is because it was, at least according to Omniatlas, a semi-independent government)
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Apparently, arizuma is Nahuatl for "silver-bearing" -- that's probably where it came from.
Unfortunately, that's a folk etymology – Classical Nahuatl at least doesn't have an r sound of any kind, and its word for silver is "iztāc teōcuitlatl" (which has the fun literal translation of "white god-excrement").
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I can't imagine that it had nothing to do with it. However, that would increase the Mormon percentage of big-Nevada, so...